Totally agree, my Pixel 3 XL came with all those things. So it blimming should as well.
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Ming-Chi Kuo Cuts iPhone XR Lifecycle Shipment Estimates by 30 Million
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Totally agree, my Pixel 3 XL came with all those things. So it blimming should as well.
Price...
I guarantee you the number one reason is price, iPhone X pricing is out of control
I guarantee you the number one reason is price, iPhone X pricing is out of control
What is cheap crap about the XR?
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Rarely wrong about sales predictions? How would anyone know?
I would like to see them expand the XR line to 3 sizes: the current one, a 6/7/8-sized model, and an SE-sized model. The two smaller ones would make a lot of people happy, including me. The hardware in the XR is great (it was really nice to see the XR get the same newest-gen SoC as the XS), it's just bigger than a lot of people want to carry.
And then Apple will report the biggest holiday quarter ever and all these so-called analysts will say but I meant the next quarter will be bad. With Apple it’s always the future that’s bad.
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Rumors about future products and sales predictions of existing products are not the same thing.
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Yep. This is pretty much it. For a budget phone, its pretty pricey. Alot of people will probably bite the bullet and swallow the added cost of getting the XS, believing its a much better phone.
If Apple wants a piece of the budget market, they need another SE.
I got the XR myself btw. That product red one is just the best looking phone they have come up with in years, and the battery life is amazing.
Recently I bought a cheap Moto phone to take on vacation. I bought it for maybe $120 which is a fraction of what I spent on the iPhone 8. And it was fine. It worked well. It made me wonder exactly what I am paying for with Apple, and I never said when people tried to claim my MBP was expensive compared to a bunch of fat, plastic, crappy laptops on sale at Best Buy. The Axx chips might be CPU monsters but the dated, low-end Snapdragon on the Moto handled everything I tried to do with it. Phones from Huawei, OnePlus, etc. have fast CPUs, OLED screens, security sensors, an advanced OS, good cameras, etc. Apple decided to turn the iPhone into some weird Veblen good which it shouldn't be.
Along those lines... Apple surely thought the XR was great for the aspirational crowd, but it's just too expensive for that. If you can't afford a XR you can get a OnePlus for a fraction of the price. If you can afford a XR you might as well go all the way and get a XS because the difference just isn't that great.
The XR should have been $400-$500 to start if they wanted it to move, but maybe that would be a signal to everyone that the XS is overpriced too.
Along those lines... Apple surely thought the XR was great for the aspirational crowd, but it's just too expensive for that. If you can't afford a XR you can get a OnePlus for a fraction of the price. If you can afford a XR you might as well go all the way and get a XS because the difference just isn't that great.
The XR should have been $400-$500 to start if they wanted it to move, but maybe that would be a signal to everyone that the XS is overpriced too.
I am beginning to think they should just bite the bullet and bundle the Airpods into the flagship models. Give that nice Apple experience right out of the box and watch sales soar. It would be an end to most of the dongle headphone jack complaints.
Not sure if that would be smart or not. However AAPL does have more than a few options it could put into play if it had to. On the bright side for consumers it is highly doubtful AAPL will try to raise prices next year. It isn't just AAPL down today as well. I guess the next metric aside from speculation is does AAPL beat it's own guidance next earnings?
The next wave of products might be much better buys if they get the usual updates and the price points remain the same.
I think things like the new mini base model having 128 is getting a little bit out of line. Keep the top end prices high so people can spend whatever they choose. On the lower end base model side just make the specs beefier.
The XR is still too expensive for a not-flagship model.
Maybe in the US it's a better deal, but in Europe you pay 859EUR for this... there are better options available.
Apple, you don't push people from Android to IOS with that pricetag, you get people moving away from IOS to Android. I think I am not the only one here...
Maybe in the US it's a better deal, but in Europe you pay 859EUR for this... there are better options available.
Apple, you don't push people from Android to IOS with that pricetag, you get people moving away from IOS to Android. I think I am not the only one here...
They've done it before. Apple's supply chain is far too complex to understand with a single piece of information and it has been proven time and again to not be related to demand for Apple products. Apple maintains channel inventory in varying capactities, ramps assemblies lines up and down, and uses multiple suppliers for practically everything.
The biggest sign is Hon Hai's revenue is up huge over last year.
I don’t think the average consumer (ie: someone NOT reading MacRumors) cares too much about the “ecosystem”. Most people buy on price first. Apple’s prices keep going up, which wouldn’t be so bad if the price increases didn’t go hand in hand with increased nickel and diming. For years the iPhone was the clear leader in smartphones. Today the same can’t be said. There are many great phones out there. No doubt Apple’s revenue will continue to increase for a while. They have momentum. But for how long? If their market share shrinks too much, the platform becomes less attractive to developers and accessory makers. I wish I’d sold more Apple stock before the last earnings call. I see a bumpy road ahead for them.
They are likely buying both, depending on the situation, but no one knows for sure. The important part here is Apple was the #1 brand.
If they are buying more XS Max than expected, that's even better for Apple.
They will move iPhones, it's just a matter of mix.
That would be interesting. It would surely pivot Apple's business to more services which IMO would be more sustainable because it feels like the hardware side of things is running out of steam.
In the scheme of things does anyone really think the XR was the phone to beat??
Really?
I mean some here *think* that the purposely larger handsets at higher price points was done for a reason. I’m clear that the XR — in an S year was purposefully designed for the very same reasons the C was designed - to fill a gap but not create one.
The XR was and is not intended to be a “flagship” seller as it’s clear Apple is laser focused on higher ASP’s - which just three years ago Wall Street declared was the single most important metric that Apple would NEVER gain back - yet - yet they just SMASHED that metric and the profits in the XS and XSMax will handle those duties perfectly fine.
Clearly - again - Apple - Tim etc saw this coming - which was p r e c i s e l y why they pulled out of the unit sold breakdown business.
Yes - that’s brought new avenues of speculation to move in - but let’s face it - speculators have circled Apples wagons since the first iPhone went on sale.
Really, if you don't use anything more than the major apps then you might as well get an Android phone. Sure the UI on Android is sort of screwed up, but it works relatively well for the most part. At this point it's obvious that Android will never be as smooth as iOS, but if you don't care than you can save hundreds of dollars. Or you can just get an old iPhone, which still work really well.
Apple's real problem is it's competing against its old devices, not against Android. I'll keep my 7 for another year at least, and if it still going I'll miss 4 upgrade cycles.
There was set of earbuds with lightning-cable packed underneath the Xr I bought 10 days ago.
No idea how fast the charger is as I just keep using the one from the iPad Mini (which does indeed charge the Xr quite fast).
Stop giving Kuo such credit then! He's had some good inside info in the past, but in the last few years has been no better than a confirmation, or worse, flatly wrong.
I picked up a 256GB X with Applecare to 2020 for less than the price of the XR. The X is a totally superior phone to the XR and Apple knows it which is why they discontinued it because people would buy that over the XR. On a side note, the bezels in that picture are horrendous!
Dude, the market has proven over and over that people love phablets.
I posted data that is relevant as of this weekend and it's a FACT.
Kuo is GUESSING about the future, as most analysts do about unit sales. We've seen this wrong time and time again. This is a fact. It's literally impossible to know the demand for Apple's products. We do know Apple reports insane numbers and the analysts are almost always proven wrong when they bet against Apple.
It's even easier to throw out uneducated guesses about the future, be wrong, have no consequences, and then do it again.
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Considering that they charge $130 for the Apple Pencil and then $200 more for the keyboard, I really don't think so!
For me even the iPhone 6 was too big. I have an iPhone XR and I find it ridiculously big. If there was an iPhone SE2 with the same specs of the iPhone XR, but a smaller screen, I would buy it, even at the same price of the XR.