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Ming-Chi Kuo Says iPhone X Unlikely to Reach Supply-Demand Balance Until Next Year
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Exactly. Which is the iPhone X has the largest surface area.
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It's larger in surface area, period. There is no distinction between vertical or horizontal space when it comes to area.
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Just because you bought an 8+ doesn't mean you get to make misleading statements about the newer phone.
Same here if I cannot get by December I likely will cancel also, and just wait for next fall and enjoy my 7plus 256GB longer ;-). but will try since I have the upgrade plan want to see if it does anything worthwhile or if I have the same hard time ordering, worth an experiment at least to try and snag a X ;-)
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I agree I expect there is an X-plus or whatever it will be in 2018 fall. But it would be fun to play with this new direction for a year and since I am on the upgrade plan I may try and see what happens ;-). If it is too much a delay as I said elsewhere I will just wait for next fall and keep my nice 7Plus 256GB
Not possible, the iPhone X uses a new biometric authentication system called Face ID. FaceID replaces TouchID on Apples flagship, and took several years of effort to get to the point where Apple was satisfied that it's a significant improvement over TouchID.
I do expect TouchID to be on next year's 8 follow on (8S? 9?), but the 2018 X will again use FaceID, since most 2017 X users wouldn't want to downgrade to Touch.
That said, there are use cases where TouchID is better than FaceID; however FaceID will be better for more users more of the time than is TouchID. But if you're a TouchID fan, you won't like the current or future flagships.
Like the headphone jack, Apple isn't afraid to obsolete a current technology if they believe they can provide something better. (For all users as a group; individual mileage, of course, will vary.)
I thought I’d made my mind up to get the black one, then I saw a picture of someone holding the silver and now I don’t know again!
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They’re using web standards to do this, standards that were developed not by or for Apple (AFAIK - it’s possible Apple submitted them but I doubt it) because rounded screens are becoming a thing (and it is as much to do with the rounded corners as the notch). All web developers need to do is set a background colour or, if they want, use some *slightly* more complex features of those same standards.
The only mistake I think Apple have made here is not defaulting to a black background colour, but maybe that’s because a lot of sites assume they’ll have a white background but don’t specify one. They could have made those side bars black without changing the main background colour, although they’d be non-standard then.
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So you believe, looking at the universe of X buyers, that more would prefer a bezel to the notch. You're welcome to believe that, based on "feelings", however Apple thinks the opposite.
Do you think it's possible (p=1.0?) that Apple has data to back up their decision? For sure, the probability is 100% that you do not.
You're welcome to hate the notch all you want, but they've made their choice for a reason. Apple knows they can't please everyone. Basically, they'll gain more buyers by providing as close to bezeless as they can, than they'll lose due to notch hate.
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You may turn out to like it, if not you can always return it and give another android a shot, or try the iPhone 8 or X if you end up still not liking Android. Having choices is not a bad thing.Tired of this now ... FaceID looks flaky, I don't like that TouchID has gone completely, it's going to be a fist fight to get one, I still have to book a store appointment to get one (UK upgrade program) and last but not least the thing is £1000.
Just picked up a mint S8 for £495 and a 64Gb u3 SD card for £23 giving me the 128Gb config that I'd like for 1/2 the cost of the X. I've tried Android before and not liked it, but that was a long time ago and given the above it HAS to be worth a punt
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To avoid royally pissing off your dedicated user base. Look no farther than what Motorola did with the Droid Razr.
A few months after the Droid Razor launched, with no prior notice they pushed out the Droid Razr Maxx with much larger battery. Holy hell, if you think you've seen pissed off Apple fans in here, that's nothing. The most raging posts I've seen in this forum pale in comparison to the reactions in Motorola's forum, the Verizon forum, and general Android forums over that disaster. I was a huge Motorola fan, every phone I'd ever owned to that point was a Motorola, and I was beyond furious over that deal. Between that and waiting 6 months for ICS, and 7 months for Jellybean, I was done with Motorola for good.
Before that was the Droid Bionic, that was delayed so badly that it launched only a few months before the Droid Razr. Not only were the Bionic owners pissed about the Razr launching just after the return period ended on the Bionic (for early adopters), Droid Bionic owners waited over 12 months to get ICS.
Those fiascos above were the beginning of the end of Motorola.
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I think it's likely that they want to build up more supply of the X before launch, and I think they wanted to announce it now to prevent rabid Apple fans from rioting outside Apple stores, the ones that would be stuck with an 8 or 8+ that would have bought an X instead.
So, they just split two different products at two different times so that it would reduce consumers from doing some "black friday" style.
I think the yields for the X have been relatively low, hence the high price and the later launch date. Plus it gives them a bit more time to fine tune FaceID.
They couldn't generate the supply to only have the X phone at regular price, so they made the 6SSS, I mean 7S, no sorry I mean 8 that they're able to produce in mass quantities on time, at a lower price.
Now that they announced the official day for pre-ordering...hopefully they get their stocks running. Looks like Jeff William is the COO and this would be the biggest test for him...along with Apple staff.
At (10,000 per day) (70,000 per week) over 6 weeks that's around 400,000 more available by the pre-order day. Doesn't seem like much, but that's a lot of why the price is so much higher. They have priced it closer to where they think the demand will match the supply.
Edit: That 10K per day number doesn't even sort of line up with shipping 40M iPhone X this year.
6 months @ 10K/D = 1.8M phones
6 months @ 100K/D = 18M phones
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I love it how most of you complain about supply shortages, yet most would go deer-in-headlights at a first sight of microcode.
This stuff takes years to create, even for such a huge company. The new phone is quite revolutionary, and I applaud them getting it done in a year. As long as FaceID works without a hiccup, it's definitely future-proof way to go.
This stuff takes years to create, even for such a huge company. The new phone is quite revolutionary, and I applaud them getting it done in a year. As long as FaceID works without a hiccup, it's definitely future-proof way to go.
Without a doubt, favorite your selection now in Apple Store app and preorder on the 27.
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Hmm. Maybe because...oh, I don't know...smaller than the 8+ but with a bigger screen?
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Comments with "Timmy" are like those older comments with "M$". We know stop reading and think, "OK, I know where this is going."Years into the making, and Timmy still couldn't secure a successful launch. I wouldn't expect anything less from the guy who was brought in to Apple by SJ for his expertise in operations.
Who's complaining? I was talking about it because I think the price and 6 week later launch have everything to do with supply.
I've made my own CPU in a Field Programmable Gate Array before, does that mean it's ok for me to talk about such things?
Years into the making, and Timmy still couldn't secure a successful launch. I wouldn't expect anything less from the guy who was brought in to Apple by SJ for his expertise in operations.
I'm not sure what is with the ridiculous attitude towards Tim Cook.
Apple don't 'owe' us a new iPhone every year in September. R&D, design, patents, alpha testing, beta testing, mass production assessment, quality control, training and so on all take time. And frankly, most people have no clue just how insane it is to launch a new product this complicated; especially on such a large scale.
They gave us a pretty awesome phone now, with an even better phone out in six weeks.
I'm not sure why that warrants eye rolling and snorts of derision. Apple are not magic. Nor is Tim Cook, neither was Steve Jobs.
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You have a source for this analysis?
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Since 2012, I have owned somewhere around 30+ Apple products. Overall, I have been hugely impressed with the design, functionality, customer service, reliability, and user experience.
Despite the falsehood that Apple products are 'overpriced' I've found that in instances where I have elected to sell an older product, it has retained value surprisingly well; far above expectation for older tech products.
So I'm not sure what evidence you have that Apple don't care about user experience. I've not found that to be the case. Even here they have taken the time to update the 7 with a ton of new features and functionality, at a lower price point, for people who don't want or can't afford their very newest product. I've used the 7 Plus for a year now, and have been very pleased with it, from the excellent camera to the overall functionality. And I've been very happy with their other products too.
I'm not really understanding what the negativity is over this new release which seems to have something for everyone.
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I think this may be your mistake brian.
What I have discovered is that Apple products hold their value surprisingly well initially. So I buy the new top of the line latest phone every year, and I get back a solid 35-50% of my previous year investment.
I suspect I will be able to get $400-$500 for my old 7 Plus, which will offset the investment in the X.
The problem is when you doggedly hold on to your old phone until it becomes worthless, then you have to pony up a grand for a new one.
The net cost of upgrading every year isn't actually as painful as you might think.
Just to clarify, I only meant because that I'm not getting up at 3am I probably wouldn't be receiving the X
for 3 months or more..I guess Its possible that I could have gotten one in November.
I'll probably get the next version(XS?) but will be happy with the 8+ for now.
I guess there will be very little 64gb configs available at launch.
First wave of buyers and preorders will be very passionate to get one, and they’ ll pay for the 256gb.
In apple’ s iphone x line/up there is still something missing, i miss the “ jet black iphone 7/plus” counterpart, that because of yields was only available in the higher storage tiers.
But i guess before that before the launch they could issue a press release about a iphone x in gold.
Or they’ ll wait for the chinese newyear to release a gold iphone x.
First wave of buyers and preorders will be very passionate to get one, and they’ ll pay for the 256gb.
In apple’ s iphone x line/up there is still something missing, i miss the “ jet black iphone 7/plus” counterpart, that because of yields was only available in the higher storage tiers.
But i guess before that before the launch they could issue a press release about a iphone x in gold.
Or they’ ll wait for the chinese newyear to release a gold iphone x.
I'm trying to figure out which iPhone to buy, and have looked a bit at the numbers. I must admit that I find this a bit confusing, but if I understand this correctly, the iPhone 8 Plus has a larger display area than the X both when measured in square cm/square inches and in square points. Any protests?
EDIT: fixed typo in iPhone X points
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