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Daddy can give you one - Apple makes more money this way. Plus tbh I quite enjoy not having smudgy finger marks on my laptop screen.

Indeed, but perhaps that's just what we're used to.
We don;t freak out about touching a iPhone or an iPad screen and wiping them clean every now and then.
We're just not used to treating other screens in the same manner.
And I'm the same, as I, like you and others here grew up in a world where screens were not touch enabled and you don't get fingermarks on them.
Does not make it's right, it's just what we are used to.
 
Please stop and think for a moment as if you were a child born today ;)
A fresh brain and a fresh mind, learning all about how the world you have just been bought into works.
Perhaps if you are lucky, when you are perhaps 3 ish? mum and dad may let you play some simple learning games on your iPad, you enjoy this, pressing the colourful things on screen, and as a few years pass, you learn to love this and learn as lot as your brain is developing.
Perhaps a few more years pass and you are lucky to get a old phone from mum or dad to call your own.
Also you enjoy touching the screen and now perhaps talking to your grandparents, and reading messages.
This to you is how the world works, and it's what you have grown to understand since the day you were born.
You are then given dads old Macbook to use, of course, you see something on-screen so naturally you reach to use the screen as that's what screens do. But oh it's broken? It does not work.
Dad has to explain, no, these screens don't work like this. You have to use this think called a separate keyboard which was developed for an old mechanical typewriter back in 1869 about 160 years ago.
Or you can slide your finger over a metal plate instead of the screen.

"But why does the screen not work like everything else does daddy?" You say in a confused manner.

Daddy can't really give you a good answer as there isn't one.

Well, if Apple wants those kids' lunch money instead of mine then sure, go after them. What you've described is nothing new. People grew up for decades now accustomed to graphical interfaces and WYSIWYG editors. But if they want to do certain things, they'll have to learn to use the terminal and typesetting tools like latex. If they need to use a computer, they'll learn to use the keyboard and mouse. Otherwise they can buy an ipad.
 
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Sure, but even without thinking about core counts and process size and benchmarks, the advantages of the M1 for the average consumer are clear. Reviewers are showing that the laptops are "hilariously fast", have enormous battery life, they hardly ever turn their fans or (or don't have any at all), they run cooler, etc.

They even seem to handle RAM better, as base model 8GB M1 Macs are reportedly outperforming intel Macs with higher raw RAM and CPU specs.

I don't wish ill fortune upon intel either, but clearly the M1 has something that they don't.

I agree. It was more a reminder that, hey, Intel's not completely dead anyway. Or that, hey, let's all blame these godawful 14nm is only going to get you that far.

You know, I recall when AMD released their 4800H/4900H, and all the hype about how it would be the best things since bread came sliced.

Then ASUS released their ROG and TUF laptops and, sure enough, thermal throttling, overheating etc. to the point that users came up with how-to explaining how to underclock the processors.
Or how it was revealed that no, sorry, nothing above a RTX 2060 because reasons -- I think it was because of bottleneck issues.

And, unsurprisingly, it seems that many issues were linked to design that prevented a good heat dissipation.

So, yep, Intel is feet in concrete right now. But I'm not really convinced that things would have been any less different had they switched to 7nm process, as lots of comments would make you believe.
With current Mac Book designs I think it would have been just the same.
 
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Very tempted with the current M1 Macs, but I know it will be worth the wait for a redesigned MacBook Pro with the very latest tech such as mini-led and hopefully FaceID.
I think it depends on how much a value of time you would save and a productivity would be created by this first M1 during 6-9 months before a new one launch.

I bet on the side that I invested for the greater performance and longer on-the-go battery (than existing Intel) to generate more profit and benefit at least enough to buy the new design machine next year.

Choice varies depending on each person.

It so different on the iPhone side, I still use iPhone X because it still very useful enough. (It's actually the third device that I got from Apple because of factory defect. So it's battery stay good.)

Watch remain Series 4, it's more than enough for me. And also disappointing that still unable to use ECG in my country.

And I'm waiting for the next iPad Pro. My existing iPad is Pro 10.5.
 
There seems a discrepancy some analysts say 1st half and others say second. Here's my guess:

24" iMac using M1 in Spring
16", 14" MBP (4 port edition) announce at WWDC
27"/32" iMac Fall
Mac Pro - 2022 Fall
 
Really? Wait until we see the sales figures on just M1 Macs sold

I hope intel comes out with a RAW power chip that blows the M1 out of the water.

I don't like the way people are bashing Intel. Intel has been making processors a very long time. not Apple

It's Like Steve Jobs is alive again and the Hate and bashing of Intel processors has started all over again.
Have you used an M1? I bought a mini and it buried my 27” iMac performance-wise. Maybe you should actually try the hardware before sh*tting on it.
 
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Since Intel CPU is expensive and draws an enormous amount of power. Intel CPU is not feasible and optimal for the upcoming redesign model.

Apple will be able to use the scalable architecture such as M1 on 16-inch Macbook Pro for a starting price at $1799.

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Since Intel CPU is expensive and draws an enormous amount of power. Intel CPU is not feasible and optimal for the upcoming redesign model.

Apple will be able to use the scalable architecture such as M1 on 16-inch Macbook Pro for a starting price at $1799.

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Personally, I think Apple are likely to keep prices the same as they have with the other two MacBooks.
 
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FaceID would be nice, but if they can't get a 1080p camera in that shallow enclosure I'm not sure they could fit facial recognition tech.

I'm looking to get a new iMac when they launch with Apple processors, but I really want a way to unlock things like 1Password without typing in passwords. I'd take a wired keyboard with TouchID! I'm going to find a way to make 1Password unlock with a Ubikey I think.
FaceID has been around for over 3 years. I'm sure Apple will have figured out a way to miniaturise the tech by now. Microsoft, HP, Dell etc doesn't seem to have a problem with Windows Hello cameras in ultrabooks & tablets and I was using Lenovo ThinkPad's with face recognition over 8 years ago, so I am sure it's possible!

FaceID would just be nice to have on a Mac, not essential.
 
Really? Wait until we see the sales figures on just M1 Macs sold

I hope intel comes out with a RAW power chip that blows the M1 out of the water.

They might, but not for at least another year, probably more.

Rocket Lake won't catch up. Alder Lake might get closer.

I don't like the way people are bashing Intel. Intel has been making processors a very long time. not Apple

Well, Apple has been making them for over a decade now.

And part of the reason Intel is in this rut is precisely their "we've been doing this for a long time" complacency.

It's Like Steve Jobs is alive again and the Hate and bashing of Intel processors has started all over again.

Uh, it was Steve Jobs who moved NeXT to Intel, and then Apple to Intel.
 
Personally, I think Apple are likely to keep prices the same as they have with the other two MacBooks.

Apple Silicon is not like Intel CPU which can’t be used to power more variant of pro model due to sluggish IGPU performance and need a cooling fan to prevent auto shut down from overheating.

The M1-Series provide Apple leeway to release a 16-inch Macbook Pro that can be configured from $1799 to $2399 without severe performance reduction regardless of smaller or a bigger chassis.
 
Apple Silicon is not like Intel CPU which can’t be used to power more variant of pro model due to sluggish IGPU performance and need a cooling fan to prevent auto shut down from overheating.

The M1-Series provide Apple leeway to release a 16-inch Macbook Pro that can be configured from $1799 to $2399 without severe performance reduction regardless of smaller or a bigger chassis.
I don't think we'll see a $1799 16-inch. We'll hopefully see the return of the $1999 though, because they're no longer required to put a dGPU in there for reasonable graphics performance.
 
Apple Silicon is not like Intel CPU which can’t be used to power more variant of pro model due to sluggish IGPU performance and need a cooling fan to prevent auto shut down from overheating.

The M1-Series provide Apple leeway to release a 16-inch Macbook Pro that can be configured from $1799 to $2399 without severe performance reduction regardless of smaller or a bigger chassis.
Maybe.

I just think that Apple have already set the precedent for the next release by not reducing the prices of the current M1 machines.

Maybe 2021 will be the year of miracles, and high end Apple products will get cheaper.
:p
 
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Maybe.

I just think that Apple have already set the precedent for the next release by not reducing the prices of the current M1 machines.

Maybe 2021 will be the year of miracles, and high end Apple products will get cheaper.
:p

It is almost impossible that the 13-inch Macbook Pro and 13-inch Macbook Air get a price reduction because Apple keep the original price from being too high and the Intel GPU performance is just too mediocre for $999 or $1299 laptop.
 
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Everytime I plan on investing a good chunk of cash into an Apple product (Macbook Pro M1) there is always an article that tells me it's going to be superceded in a big way....

Puts wallet away.
It's precisely this logic that is why I'm still using my 2013 13" MBP...

I was going to upgrade to a 16" MacBook Pro (actually, I did, but I returned it. Too big)

Then I was going to buy the last-gen 13" intel model and use it while waiting out the M1 transition. Figuring things would be glitchy over the 2 years of waiting for software and hardware to make the full transition.

Then everyone started raving about the M1's, so I feel like I want one, but there are limitations to the first gen (single external screen etc) and surely there will be glitches that will be fixed in the next versions.

Now we're talking about a new 14" model coming out next year...

I'm really torn. I could buy a base model M1 MBA now (8GB/512) and wait and see what the future 14" MBP is like. Maybe wait a generation or two for things to stabilize, then upgrade.

Or I could just keep using my trusty 2013 MBP for a while longer and get the next MBP.

Either way I think I'm now convinced that I don't need intel anymore.
 
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I wouldn't be surprised if they are testing force touch on the touch bar to address this issue of accidentally touching active buttons on the touch bar. Then they become no more likely to be accidentally pressed than a regular mechanical function keys line.
That's a very good idea!

I appreciate that the touchbar works for some; but it has always seemed like an expensive solution in search of a problem.
 
  • I need a clicky tactile F5 key to run debugger
  • I need a clicky tactile F10 key to step over
  • I need a clicky tactile F11 key to step into
It’s over in the sense that I’ve not purchased two MacBook Pro’s in the time it’s taken me to purchase two Dell XPS’ because of this very reason.
May I suggest a keyboard remapping tool like BetterTouchTool to assign for example, Alt-5, Alt--, Alt-+ to these functions (or "WhileCapsLockIsOn, remap 5,-,+" if thats possible).

Yes it's a hacky workaround. I use similar myself for remapping Excel functions to shortcuts.

As always, test with an existing mac before buying an M1 Mac just for this.
 
I'm hoping they release a 14" MBP with a new design but using the current M1 chip. I don't need any more power than the M1, so if they can do that at the same price (or close to the price) of the current M1 MBP then that would basically be my perfect machine.

What is the likelihood they will do that? or will they keep the current base 13" MBP and reserve the new design for the higher end models? I'm thinking they will introduce it across the lineup but I guess we will see!
 
FaceID has been around for over 3 years. I'm sure Apple will have figured out a way to miniaturise the tech by now. Microsoft, HP, Dell etc doesn't seem to have a problem with Windows Hello cameras in ultrabooks & tablets and I was using Lenovo ThinkPad's with face recognition over 8 years ago, so I am sure it's possible!

FaceID would just be nice to have on a Mac, not essential.
I'd like to get something like FaceID for an iMac, TouchID is invaluable to me currently as I use it for password management for loads of clients.
 
I'd like to get something like FaceID for an iMac, TouchID is invaluable to me currently as I use it for password management for loads of clients.
Is it possible to use TouchID to unlock the keychain? My main annoyance with the Mac is the need to unlock the keychain every few minutes.
 
Is it possible to use TouchID to unlock the keychain? My main annoyance with the Mac is the need to unlock the keychain every few minutes.
I've just tried and TouchID wasn't an option for me. It just asked for my password right away.

A quick Google search suggests that it is a safety feature.
 
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