Something like that, but at this point I'll take made up rumors just to keep my mind on the prize, and off of crappy alternatives. I am really loosing patience on this one.
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Mini Updated, Mac Pro Ignored!
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Something like that, but at this point I'll take made up rumors just to keep my mind on the prize, and off of crappy alternatives. I am really loosing patience on this one.
In my opinion they haven't updated the Pro because its simply doesn't fit in with their brand image. All the products they have recently updated are small, fun and cool. I think they are neglecting the professional market.
Good sir, are you MAD? You need to find a new forum my friend. Maybe take a break. Have a beer. A nice romantic night out, perhaps? Go do something that doesn't involve computers or arguing with people online. As others have pointed out, your logical falls short. I'm sorry, but it really does. I can see you being upset about the Mac Pro, that's fine. But to say Apple's strategy isn't working? Wow. How long have you been an Apple user? Were you there in 1996 when they were about to go under? They just surpassed MS for goodness sake in terms of market cap. So, to say it doesn't work is just inviting flamers.
I don't understand all the talk here about updating the imac before the Mac Pro.... I mean, the i7 is already about as fast as the entry level Pro anyway, do they really want to leave the Pro model in the dust with an even FASTER imac? That would be downright embarrassing. (That would lead me to believe that this really is the EOL for the Pro, which now, with the silent Mini update, I doubt, but more likely it would lead me to believe that the Pro redesign wont be coming until next year.) Steve Jobs did say to "just wait."
Having said that, if they update the imac, I think I'm done waiting for the almighty, precious Mac Pro and I'll definitely just get the imac. Its already a great deal. Hard to believe ANYONE buys a new 2.66 Pro anymore anyway.... except for a very very narrow customer base.
...I want a t-shirt like Nike's "JUST DO IT" only with the Apple logo and "JUST WAIT"
Having said that, if they update the imac, I think I'm done waiting for the almighty, precious Mac Pro and I'll definitely just get the imac. Its already a great deal. Hard to believe ANYONE buys a new 2.66 Pro anymore anyway.... except for a very very narrow customer base.
...I want a t-shirt like Nike's "JUST DO IT" only with the Apple logo and "JUST WAIT"
Yep. Neither do I. The only reason I got my 2009 machine was because The Price is Right
Just like the mac mini owners who just got an "update"
Core i3 or graphics that aren't dogsh*t. Pick one.
Sounds alot like Wu just reads macrumors (and the buyers guide ) / arstechnica / appleinsider .
An i7 Mac Pro ... yeah right. If Apple is going to hold the Mac Pro over $2400 price point using i7's doesn't really buy much.
If there is wide belief that Apple is going to radically lower Mac Pro prices .... the mini just jumped $100 . Chasing the rest of the PC market on declining selling prices is nowhere on Apple's "top 25" things to do right now. Over an extended set of years they may have to budge, but for right now the are not likely to move at all.
I would be in total heaven, but I won't hold my breath for that!
if it were just the MP market, they might just do that and make allot of money on software sales, but I'm sure they do actually make money on the macbook and imac lines, so this isn't going to happen.
yeah, I think it has all just been wishful thinking. If it ever does come out, I do expect significant increases in price except for the stripped down base models.
Only in some cases and toward the upper end.
3500 series ( http://ark.intel.com/ProductCollection.aspx?series=39717)
3600 series ( http://ark.intel.com/ProductCollection.aspx?series=48311 )
3520 $284 |||| 3620 <does not exist yet>
3540 $562 |||| 3640 <does not exist yet>
3580 $999 |||| 3680 $999
5500 series (http://ark.intel.com/ProductCollection.aspx?series=39565 )
5600 series (http://ark.intel.com/ProductCollection.aspx?series=47915 )
5520 $373 |||| 5620 $387 ( $14 price increase)
5550 $958 |||| 5650 $996 ( $38 price increase)
5570 $1386 |||| 5670 $1440 ( $54 price increase)
The inference that the prices have not increased is based on one single example on the top end of the single processor package only line which is woefully incomplete.
I wouldn't expect Apple to "eat" any of the 5600 price increases. If Apple has to wait a couple of months until Intel will give them a special contract price at the old levels I suspect they might have done just that.
The prices on the "so old it has lost major value" Xeons from last year has not gone down. That means the new stuff, in general, came in at higher prices.
Since Intel's estimated prices on the 5500 series and 5600 series are very similar, do you think the prices of the next Mac Pro will be significantly higher?
Why would Apple want to make the replacement for the old quad compete with the 8 ? It is much more natural to make the new single processor package model compete with the old one. Likewise the new dual processor package model compete with the old one.
So 6 and 4 cores line up versus old one that was only 4 cores. Similarly a 12 and 8 core line up versus a
Irrational that the vendors are going to try to double performance in a single generation step... just not going happen. Intel isn't going to price it that way and neither is Apple when they don't have to.
Then fix the fraking software. No reason what so ever to distort your hardware line up and pricing strucuture because some software package is lagging. That is a warped world view.
going to pay for all that. It is always strange when "the prices are too high" is coupled with "use higher price parts."
No not really going to save much. This is just the new hidden form of a " lower part cost mini tower so I can avoid buying an iMac. " tract. That is not improve the Mac Pro that is "create a new product line".
Right now Apple can use the same board for both Single and Dual variations (both can use a 5000 series chipset). If go with the i7 will have to split the boards. One would have to go x58 and the other would still be 5000 chipset.
So the costs go up: the inventory management/logistics goes up, the number of boards sold goes down (already likely shrinking volume... that just makes it worse),
There is only a limited amount of manpower that Apple is going to devote to Mac Pro development. If you increase the amount of manpower required only going to increase pressure to pull the plug on the lineup. Could very well end up with a single package (SP) only option being offered (nuke the DP option). That's backwards, IMHO. The DP is the core of what the Mac Pro is aimed at. The SP is just a minimal impact variation that offers a bit more product range. The range is still going to be limited. Apple has no intention of filling every single niche.
i7 isn't killing of Xeons. The 3680 is priced exactly the same as the i7 980x. Unless put huge value on overclocking ( not sure how many serious pros are huge fans of that for anything other than a box going to throw away in a couple years. ) there is no value add.
What is critically missing is the rest of the 3600 line up. If Intel's long term intent is that the "extreme" i7 replace the Xeon 3xxx line up then why drop a 3680 at all ? If they flush out the line up as they grow 32nm capacity then all this i7 stuff goes by the wayside.
Not significantly higher. But the open question was whether they'd be higher. That chart suggests that it could go up. The parts are more expensive, why is Apple going to "eat" that loss in margin (if hold the price constant)? Apple doesn't eat lower margins so that Intel can make higher ones. If Intel goes for higher profits, Apple goes along for the ride; it is the customer that pays.
Apple buys processors in lots much bigger than a 1,000. So they can go into a haggling process with Intel for a better deal. That is a small enough different it may get haggled off. One sales trick it to tack on a premium that are will to give away just so customer walks away thinking they got a "deal".
If Apple paid 'list' last year and then haggles back down to the old 'list' pricing then a chance would not be an increase.
Typically in Configure-to-order Apple tacks 40% on top of whatever Intel is changing though. 40% on top of even small increases will still be an increase.
P.S. similar thing in case of entry MBP 15" . Before it didn't have a discrete GPU. Now it does. The defacto Parts costs went up... so did base price. Wouldn't count in drop in hard drive and memory costs covering the gap. Apple has pressure to show growth there in terms in added value year over year. May use newer parts there are similar cost level to last year.
One wonders how Apple manages to secure that many (out of production) C2D chips for their never ending supply of circa-2008 "updates".
One wonders how Apple manages to secure that many (out of production) C2D chips for their never ending supply of circa-2008 "updates".
this one made me laugh . . . .
Errr,
http://ark.intel.com/ProductCollection.aspx?familyId=26548
Perhaps because they are not out of production? See all the ones with prices next to them?
Intel isn't going to shutdown C2D for at least another year or so. Intel is still selling Celeron M's (http://ark.intel.com/ProductCollection.aspx?familyId=3799 )
Of course I don't have pricing for the next gen MP but this is Apple we are talking about. People had the same conversations when the last gen came out and said that "based on the price of the processor/components, the price would not go up". They were wrong and I think you will be also. Apple will raise the price of the MP when it finally comes out and I believe it will be a hefty increase (especially for machines sold outside the US).
That has everything to do with non US currencies collapsing. Like Intel increasing component costs.... why is Apple going to take hit in margins because currency went down?
I suppose someone is going to propose that Apple dynamically adjust prices as the Euro flops around. That's goofy. They make can make a projection as to what the average rate is going to be then price to that so that offering price remains constant. If there is cushion in their estimate... that's OK because likely expanding retail store openings in area anyway.
It would be crazy for Apple to price Mac Pros ( and there other products) based on the spot market for components (and even more so on weekly/monthly current markets which are even more looney toons when looked at through small periods of time). No serious business customer nor most consumers want to put up with the uncertainty that introduces. Apple is a big company their pricing should take the lumps and bumps so that get a fixed price over an extended period of time. Fixed prices make purchasing decisions that take time to get approval go more smoothly.