Why would Apple want to make the replacement for the old quad compete with the 8 ? It is much more natural to make the new single processor package model compete with the old one. Likewise the new dual processor package model compete with the old one.
So 6 and 4 cores line up versus old one that was only 4 cores. Similarly a 12 and 8 core line up versus a
Irrational that the vendors are going to try to double performance in a single generation step... just not going happen. Intel isn't going to price it that way and neither is Apple when they don't have to.
I am not talking about what best suits Apple: all my points are about what best suits me for video, value, performance. Call me selfish, but when I am spending over 3k, I should care about what I am getting.
If it were your money, I guess I would make excuses too.
The facts are that the 6 core 3.33Ghz can nip the heals of the 8 core 2.93 current gen and surpass it if it is overclocked to 4ghz.
The other fact is that HP and others (or you can build it yourself) are offering complete systems with a 3.33ghz 980x for under $2500 (often $1999).
This is America, where the consumer has free choice and is able to voice their opinion and dissatisfaction.
While people argue "why do you need that" or "Apple has xyz for doing what it is doing" I am saying, "Why aren't people thinking about competition?" If the iphone was slower with less features than the Andriod and cost twice as much, Apple would get an earful and lose their market-share.
Apple knows how to compete when they want to.
The Macintosh has never had anything near 10% worldwide market-share, so why should they compete? It makes it frustrating though.
Then fix the fraking software. No reason what so ever to distort your hardware line up and pricing strucuture because some software package is lagging. That is a warped world view.
Well sure, that is what 10.6, CUDA, OpenCL and other collaborations are about and are supposed to do. But this is well known: software does not scale and will never scale to perfect parallels across cores. High Ghz is always felt in the day-to-day tasks as well as navigation within an app.
FYI: I have been personally talking to a senior developer at Adobe whose name is in the Photoshop splash page when launching: she gave me some great inside info about what really goes on with the math, cache and processing of daily work with Photoshop. 2 cores is about it for usage in CS 5 (you will see more cores working, but they juggle the data around. ALSO, when a core waits for RAM, it will show a peak performance [I did not know that] even though it is not processing any data!!).
She also said radial blur is the one thing that scales great across all cores because of the math symmetry. Did you know that currently, no application can scale text and typing across more than one core? (Indesign fans and typesetters read this!)
The engineer told me it is impossible. I don't know why, but ya, I found out a lot of cool info.
Also, each core in your computer should have a min. of 1 GB RAM but now the standard is 2. So this future 6 core chip should have 12 GB of Ram with the computer.
Who wants to bet that Apple doesn't even ship it with 4GB??
FCP needs to catch up now with PPro CS5 - Adobe taps into the GPU like never before while Apple laid off a lot of people from the FCP division. I'm also thinking about switching to the CS 5 master suite (since I use CS for design and layout anyway).
Another real life example of Apple not staying modern with the Pro market.
going to pay for all that. It is always strange when "the prices are too high" is coupled with "use higher price parts."
Again, we all know third party RAM is cheaper than buying it through Apple. But at least they can give us some higher performance RAM - PC's do and this new chip wants it (with its larger and faster cache, fast RAM is a MUST!)
No not really going to save much. This is just the new hidden form of a " lower part cost mini tower so I can avoid buying an iMac. " tract. That is not improve the Mac Pro that is "create a new product line".
Right now Apple can use the same board for both Single and Dual variations (both can use a 5000 series chipset). If go with the i7 will have to split the boards. One would have to go x58 and the other would still be 5000 chipset.
So the costs go up: the inventory management/logistics goes up, the number of boards sold goes down (already likely shrinking volume... that just makes it worse),
There is only a limited amount of manpower that Apple is going to devote to Mac Pro development. If you increase the amount of manpower required only going to increase pressure to pull the plug on the lineup. Could very well end up with a single package (SP) only option being offered (nuke the DP option). That's backwards, IMHO. The DP is the core of what the Mac Pro is aimed at. The SP is just a minimal impact variation that offers a bit more product range. The range is still going to be limited. Apple has no intention of filling every single niche.
i7 isn't killing of Xeons. The 3680 is priced exactly the same as the i7 980x. Unless put huge value on overclocking ( not sure how many serious pros are huge fans of that for anything other than a box going to throw away in a couple years. ) there is no value add.
What is critically missing is the rest of the 3600 line up. If Intel's long term intent is that the "extreme" i7 replace the Xeon 3xxx line up then why drop a 3680 at all ? If they flush out the line up as they grow 32nm capacity then all this i7 stuff goes by the wayside.
Again, who cares about the trouble Apple has to go through or if they need to use 2 different boards: drop the price, enter into the competition, stop beating loyal customers over the head with hyped up prices, delayed new products and the promotion of toys!