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Why would Apple want to make the replacement for the old quad compete with the 8 ? It is much more natural to make the new single processor package model compete with the old one. Likewise the new dual processor package model compete with the old one.

So 6 and 4 cores line up versus old one that was only 4 cores. Similarly a 12 and 8 core line up versus a

Irrational that the vendors are going to try to double performance in a single generation step... just not going happen. Intel isn't going to price it that way and neither is Apple when they don't have to.

I am not talking about what best suits Apple: all my points are about what best suits me for video, value, performance. Call me selfish, but when I am spending over 3k, I should care about what I am getting.

If it were your money, I guess I would make excuses too.

The facts are that the 6 core 3.33Ghz can nip the heals of the 8 core 2.93 current gen and surpass it if it is overclocked to 4ghz.

The other fact is that HP and others (or you can build it yourself) are offering complete systems with a 3.33ghz 980x for under $2500 (often $1999).

This is America, where the consumer has free choice and is able to voice their opinion and dissatisfaction.

While people argue "why do you need that" or "Apple has xyz for doing what it is doing" I am saying, "Why aren't people thinking about competition?" If the iphone was slower with less features than the Andriod and cost twice as much, Apple would get an earful and lose their market-share.

Apple knows how to compete when they want to.

The Macintosh has never had anything near 10% worldwide market-share, so why should they compete? It makes it frustrating though.


Then fix the fraking software. No reason what so ever to distort your hardware line up and pricing strucuture because some software package is lagging. That is a warped world view.

Well sure, that is what 10.6, CUDA, OpenCL and other collaborations are about and are supposed to do. But this is well known: software does not scale and will never scale to perfect parallels across cores. High Ghz is always felt in the day-to-day tasks as well as navigation within an app.

FYI: I have been personally talking to a senior developer at Adobe whose name is in the Photoshop splash page when launching: she gave me some great inside info about what really goes on with the math, cache and processing of daily work with Photoshop. 2 cores is about it for usage in CS 5 (you will see more cores working, but they juggle the data around. ALSO, when a core waits for RAM, it will show a peak performance [I did not know that] even though it is not processing any data!!).

She also said radial blur is the one thing that scales great across all cores because of the math symmetry. Did you know that currently, no application can scale text and typing across more than one core? (Indesign fans and typesetters read this!)

The engineer told me it is impossible. I don't know why, but ya, I found out a lot of cool info.

Also, each core in your computer should have a min. of 1 GB RAM but now the standard is 2. So this future 6 core chip should have 12 GB of Ram with the computer.

Who wants to bet that Apple doesn't even ship it with 4GB??

FCP needs to catch up now with PPro CS5 - Adobe taps into the GPU like never before while Apple laid off a lot of people from the FCP division. I'm also thinking about switching to the CS 5 master suite (since I use CS for design and layout anyway).

Another real life example of Apple not staying modern with the Pro market.


going to pay for all that. It is always strange when "the prices are too high" is coupled with "use higher price parts."

Again, we all know third party RAM is cheaper than buying it through Apple. But at least they can give us some higher performance RAM - PC's do and this new chip wants it (with its larger and faster cache, fast RAM is a MUST!)


No not really going to save much. This is just the new hidden form of a " lower part cost mini tower so I can avoid buying an iMac. " tract. That is not improve the Mac Pro that is "create a new product line".

Right now Apple can use the same board for both Single and Dual variations (both can use a 5000 series chipset). If go with the i7 will have to split the boards. One would have to go x58 and the other would still be 5000 chipset.

So the costs go up: the inventory management/logistics goes up, the number of boards sold goes down (already likely shrinking volume... that just makes it worse),

There is only a limited amount of manpower that Apple is going to devote to Mac Pro development. If you increase the amount of manpower required only going to increase pressure to pull the plug on the lineup. Could very well end up with a single package (SP) only option being offered (nuke the DP option). That's backwards, IMHO. The DP is the core of what the Mac Pro is aimed at. The SP is just a minimal impact variation that offers a bit more product range. The range is still going to be limited. Apple has no intention of filling every single niche.


i7 isn't killing of Xeons. The 3680 is priced exactly the same as the i7 980x. Unless put huge value on overclocking ( not sure how many serious pros are huge fans of that for anything other than a box going to throw away in a couple years. ) there is no value add.

What is critically missing is the rest of the 3600 line up. If Intel's long term intent is that the "extreme" i7 replace the Xeon 3xxx line up then why drop a 3680 at all ? If they flush out the line up as they grow 32nm capacity then all this i7 stuff goes by the wayside.

Again, who cares about the trouble Apple has to go through or if they need to use 2 different boards: drop the price, enter into the competition, stop beating loyal customers over the head with hyped up prices, delayed new products and the promotion of toys!
 
Right now Apple can use the same board for both Single and Dual variations (both can use a 5000 series chipset). If go with the i7 will have to split the boards. One would have to go x58 and the other would still be 5000 chipset.

You're confused over this. Core i7 and Xeon 3500/3600 processors only work on single socket boards, which are X58. 5500 and 5600 series processors will work on both X58 and 5500/5520 boards. Which is why Apple currently use a system that allows two different daughter boards to be plugged in.

Apple won't use Core i7, as you indicate, as there is no reason to when there are Xeon processors with the same specifications + ECC memory support at the same price, and there is a larger range of SKUs available.
 
Call me crazy, but I predict a unibody Mac Pro redesign. The question is - can they maintain the ease of expandability with a unibody enclosure?

Better yet, a price drop on the low end to make it a viable alternative to a high-end iMac.

For sure they can make it more compact. The cheesegrater look is not needed since modern processors don't run nearly as hot as the big G5s the case was originally designed for.
 
Call me crazy, but I predict a unibody Mac Pro redesign. The question is - can they maintain the ease of expandability with a unibody enclosure?

Better yet, a price drop on the low end to make it a viable alternative to a high-end iMac.

For sure they can make it more compact. The cheesegrater look is not needed since modern processors don't run nearly as hot as the big G5s the case was originally designed for.

Isn't the unibody design primarily to keep a mobile device rigid and yet light? How would a Mac Pro, as desktop, benefit from a unibody design? Can you imagine the size of the hunk of aluminum from which it would need to be machined? It would be the most expensive case to mass produce ever. I can't see any chance of that happening.
 
Isn't the unibody design primarily to keep a mobile device rigid and yet light? How would a Mac Pro, as desktop, benefit from a unibody design? Can you imagine the size of the hunk of aluminum from which it would need to be machined? It would be the most expensive case to mass produce ever. I can't see any chance of that happening.

The same could be said about the mac mini as its not a portable device such as the macbook/macbook pro. So I can see the Mac Pro receiving an updated unibody enclosure or at least something that looks like it. Either way, there will be a side door to the Mac Pro so its not really a unibody, it kind of has a unibody already...
 
Call me crazy, but I predict a unibody Mac Pro redesign. The question is - can they maintain the ease of expandability with a unibody enclosure?

Better yet, a price drop on the low end to make it a viable alternative to a high-end iMac.

For sure they can make it more compact. The cheesegrater look is not needed since modern processors don't run nearly as hot as the big G5s the case was originally designed for.

Define "unibody"? What do you mean by that (before I call you crazy).

I expect a price drop for an entry level quad if/when there is a refresh.

Compact and expansion are trade-offs. Most people here want more expansion, not less.

The cheesegrater makes for very efficient and effective through air cooling which translates to low speed fans and lower noise.

BTW, I'm no expert on the G5 PPC CPU's but I believe their TDP was significantly lower than the Intel processors, so the case design is actually holding up very well in light of the added heat being produced by the CPU's. Modern graphics cards also produce a lot more heat and consume a lot more power than they did 5 years ago as well.
 
You're confused over this. Core i7 and Xeon 3500/3600 processors only work on single socket boards, which are X58. 5500 and 5600 series processors will work on both X58 and 5500/5520 boards. Which is why Apple currently use a system that allows two different daughter boards to be plugged in.

I thought I had seen diagram which placed the chipset on the motherboard. Can't find it now though so sorry about that. Intel official chipset support list suggests it they are separate pairings. Found a picture on anandtech with the CPUs removed from the daughtercard with a chip under a smaller heatsink. that's probably the Northbridge chipset.

That's makes for lots more stuff (PCI , DMI , etc. ) to route off the card though, but at slower speeds than QPI.
 
I am not talking about what best suits Apple: all my points are about what best suits me for video, value, performance. Call me selfish, but when I am spending over 3k, I should care about what I am getting.


If it were your money, I guess I would make excuses too.

The facts are that the 6 core 3.33Ghz can nip the heals of the 8 core 2.93 current gen and surpass it if it is overclocked to 4ghz.

The other fact is that HP and others (or you can build it yourself) are offering complete systems with a 3.33ghz 980x for under $2500 (often $1999).

This is America, where the consumer has free choice and is able to voice their opinion and dissatisfaction.

While people argue "why do you need that" or "Apple has xyz for doing what it is doing" I am saying, "Why aren't people thinking about competition?" If the iphone was slower with less features than the Andriod and cost twice as much, Apple would get an earful and lose their market-share.

Apple knows how to compete when they want to.

The Macintosh has never had anything near 10% worldwide market-share, so why should they compete? It makes it frustrating though.




Well sure, that is what 10.6, CUDA, OpenCL and other collaborations are about and are supposed to do. But this is well known: software does not scale and will never scale to perfect parallels across cores. High Ghz is always felt in the day-to-day tasks as well as navigation within an app.

FYI: I have been personally talking to a senior developer at Adobe whose name is in the Photoshop splash page when launching: she gave me some great inside info about what really goes on with the math, cache and processing of daily work with Photoshop. 2 cores is about it for usage in CS 5 (you will see more cores working, but they juggle the data around. ALSO, when a core waits for RAM, it will show a peak performance [I did not know that] even though it is not processing any data!!).

She also said radial blur is the one thing that scales great across all cores because of the math symmetry. Did you know that currently, no application can scale text and typing across more than one core? (Indesign fans and typesetters read this!)

The engineer told me it is impossible. I don't know why, but ya, I found out a lot of cool info.

Also, each core in your computer should have a min. of 1 GB RAM but now the standard is 2. So this future 6 core chip should have 12 GB of Ram with the computer.

Who wants to bet that Apple doesn't even ship it with 4GB??

FCP needs to catch up now with PPro CS5 - Adobe taps into the GPU like never before while Apple laid off a lot of people from the FCP division. I'm also thinking about switching to the CS 5 master suite (since I use CS for design and layout anyway).

Another real life example of Apple not staying modern with the Pro market.




Again, we all know third party RAM is cheaper than buying it through Apple. But at least they can give us some higher performance RAM - PC's do and this new chip wants it (with its larger and faster cache, fast RAM is a MUST!)




Again, who cares about the trouble Apple has to go through or if they need to use 2 different boards: drop the price, enter into the competition, stop beating loyal customers over the head with hyped up prices, delayed new products and the promotion of toys!

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That's four points I fully agree with.

What is up with people not demanding more from Apple? I don't want to hear about thier margins and profits, and why they'll offer us a $2500 tower with 2GB of RAM (amongst other things).:mad:

At this point I'd be happy if Apple simply stayed in the game! Right now they're way behind and charging a premium!:mad:

It's us, the customer that should be helping Apple give us what we want, not making excuses or rationalizing what they are/have been doing.

If they introduce the base model SP MacPro with a 2.66Ghz proc I'll be pissed! 2.93Ghz should be the base. For those of us that don't need 8 or 12 cores, we'll be getting screwed if they flip us the 2.66 as a starting point.
 
Call me crazy, but I predict a unibody Mac Pro redesign.

The Mac Pro has been unibody for a very long time. When Apple uses "unibody" it isn't actually one piece. The bottom typically screws off the rest of the assembly so there are multiple parts. Mac Pro's skin already has rigid significantly large sheets of aluminum making up the structural load bearing elements the system.

There aren't cross (across the width) structural support elements in the middle of the interior. The "unibody" approach is one that moves the structural support elements to the edges to free up more internal volume. The primarily interior barriers still left in the Mac Pro are more so for thermal separation and airflow control.

Buying thicker blocks of aluminum only to mill and through more of it away would only drive the case cost higher. It is already a very high cost case.
 
I won't buy at that cost! ;) I can get a Core i7 980x PC with 9 GB of Ram, bluray, and a massive video card for under $2000 from HP. Or if I want an ugly as sin gamer case, I can get it overclocked to almost 4 Ghz with USB 3 from cyberpowerpc.com at the same basic price.
I'm surviving with my Core i5 750 right now. Though 2010 has been a pretty boring year when it comes to computer hardware in general.

The Core i7 970 should spice things up with a possible sub-$500 Gulftown. Thankfully Sandy Bridge on Socket B2 is still going for 2H 2011. There's some life left in LGA 1366. P55 is dead though. Very dead.
 
Well speaking as someone who has JUST finished setting up their brand new laptop (It's a beast!!) I think I would be excited, IMO the new Mini looks like Sex!!! It's stunning!! So I really can't see Apple keeping the same old Pro case now?

Having looked inside the previous gen Mini, I'm absolutely stunned that they were effectively able to cut the volume of the enclosure in half - it was already crammed with stuff that was super small. The new mini is a marvel of engineering in my mind, especially when you consider the AC/DC power supply is integrated! :eek:

While I'm sure they could sex up the Mac Pro case a bit, I'm not sure what else they could do design wise. Smaller isn't really an option unless you start sacrificing cooling performance and expansion. I guess we will see.
 
I guess I would define unibody as one main structural piece of aluminum wrapping around all six sides, at least in some capacity. Picture the current iPod shuffle which is a solid piece except for a removable panel on the clip side. The current Mac Pro design, while having all aluminum, has some breaks which could be eliminated. Heck, even the aluminum Apple remote is one seamless piece - I have no idea how they shoehorned the circuits in there!

I'm not saying it's a great idea, I'm just saying it's a possibility.
 
Of course I don't have pricing for the next gen MP but this is Apple we are talking about. People had the same conversations when the last gen came out and said that "based on the price of the processor/components, the price would not go up". They were wrong and I think you will be also. Apple will raise the price of the MP when it finally comes out and I believe it will be a hefty increase (especially for machines sold outside the US).

I just don't think there will be a significant price increase like everyone else is saying. People have been saying that the entry point for 2 six-core CPUs will be above 6K which makes absolutely no sense to me when there is a $14 difference between the CPUs. Sure, the prices may go up a bit, but not $2,700. I think Apple knows their price for the Mac Pro is bad enough and to do that would be ridiculous. I don't know if you are someone who believes that, but if you do go for it, you have your own opinion. But it would be stupid to raise the price $2,700 when the price difference of the part is $14. My guess is that the price of the 12-core system will only be a hundred or two difference from that of an 8-core system.
 
Having looked inside the previous gen Mini, I'm absolutely stunned that they were effectively able to cut the volume of the enclosure in half - it was already crammed with stuff that was super small. The new mini is a marvel of engineering in my mind, especially when you consider the AC/DC power supply is integrated! :eek:

While I'm sure they could sex up the Mac Pro case a bit, I'm not sure what else they could do design wise. Smaller isn't really an option unless you start sacrificing cooling performance and expansion. I guess we will see.

The only thing I could see them doing is giving it a black Apple logo, like on the Mini, iMac, and cinema display.
 
I'm beginning to understand what Steve meant by saying "Wait" and "bringing us to the next level".

I have a feeling that the Mac Pro will follow suit shortly and will get a similar case design treatment as well. It is, afterall, the last Mac in their lineup that hasn't yet received a facelift.
 
I am not talking about what best suits Apple: all my points are about what best suits me for video, value, performance. Call me selfish, but when I am spending over 3k, I should care about what I am getting.

There is a distinct different between being overly self centered , myopic , and selfish and wanting to get value for you money. Not every vendor has to offer something for you. What should be looking for is vendors who are aligned with the value propositions you are looking for. ideally should be looking for win/win. Where vendors offers what they want to offer and you get what you want to get.


Apple offers balanced, well made workstations. They also don't lowball on price. They don't do "loss leader" boxes where one product line is suppose to subsidize another. Their value prop is also that they make enough money so can be reasonably confident will be around 4-6 years from now.

If don't care about balance or well made then should be looking elsewhere.

I'm not making excuses for Apple. I'm point out why Apple should not make bonehead offerings. Such as ....

The facts are that the 6 core 3.33Ghz can nip the heals of the 8 core 2.93 current gen and surpass it if it is overclocked to 4ghz.

Why should Apple hold back from offering a 2010 version of the same tech that the 6 core 3.33GHz is offered at? There is no rational justification for that. If going to offer a 3680 follow on then why not offer a 5650 dual one. The 5650 will beat both the 2.93 current gen and the overclocked version. ... without overclocking (which is likely to kill off the usable lifetime of the machine). If gets faster results has high value then they have delivered higher value offering with the next generation.

In short, to measure whether next gen is better value prop than last you compare the exact same product offerings between generation. A "high" SP to a next gen "high" SP . A "low" DP to a next gen "low" DP. Basing it on apples to oranges and cross product line comparisons mainly just servers to obfuscate the comparisons.

Most of these "Apple should build discount mini tower" tangents are primarily about creating apples to oranges comparisons and then ifso-factso tada Apple has to create a mini tower. They totally blow off the real core issues to try to make a point through misdirection and hope to loose enough folks along the with to form a mob.

When compare apples to apples ( similar workstations which have similar quality, parts, and balanced performance characteristics ) there isn't this huge gulf in prices (differences yes but not huge typically). So it isn't about Apple charging waaaaaaay more than other vendors their size it is really about Apple sticking to a set of offerings that doesn't cover everybody possible and their distant 3rd cousin.


This is America, where the consumer has free choice and is able to voice their opinion and dissatisfaction.

You can voice it I'm just puzzled why think going to accomplish anything. Most of these apples-to-oranges tangents often boil down in the end to "apple should shot itself in the foot so that I save more money" after strip off the misdirections. It is not a win/win situation. It is a "I should win so they should loose" one.


Apple knows how to compete when they want to.

Again Apple is competing. Not against everyone else's whole entire line up. They select certain products offerings and then compete against those equivalent subsets. They are also not following a strategy where set up anymore cannibalization against their own products than is required.

It tends to work quite well since they are doing better than almost all of their competitors.


The Macintosh has never had anything near 10% worldwide market-share, so why should they compete? It makes it frustrating though.

Frustrating for whom? Apple is sitting on a giant stack of money. The folks who are looking for matches between what they want and Apple's design approaches are happy. The frustrated folks are those who are telling Apple to change their business policies and have no justification as to why that would be beneficial in a win/win context.


High Ghz is always felt in the day-to-day tasks as well as navigation within an app.
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More GHz for faster menu selections ? Seriously? A better storage I/O set up would likely to just as good of a job in most cases. There is no "torque" required so that kind of lightweight stuff.

Chasing after highest GHz typically has folks blowing off other attributes to engage in the GHz war. They blow off memory size (not speed size so that can get as much as possible off the storage) and storage i/o ( again so can get things as quickly as possible off the storage ). It is a balance of all three that counts.


.... and processing of daily work with Photoshop. 2 cores is about it for usage in CS 5 (you will see more cores working, but they juggle the data around. ALSO, when a core waits for RAM, it will show a peak performance [I did not know that] even though it is not processing any data!!).

No joke on the high number of noops. That is exactly why SMT/Hyperthreading works. Folks are on average under utilizing the core(s). So more GHz just means on average just increasing the under utilization.

And when the other cores don't juggle the data around ....... the 2 main ones would achieve as much throughput.

There is no non trivial algorithm that is 100% parallel 100% of the time.


Who wants to bet that Apple doesn't even ship it with 4GB??

I would. More likely the default will be 6GB (SP) and 12GB(DP). 4GB/8GB (with 1 GB DIMMs) is misguided because would be killing off benefits the 3 memory controllers give you. Only really want to fill that 4th slot when backed into that situation.

a. the price of 2GB DIMMs has fallen so huge price increase to go with them instead of the 1GB ones. Second, it demonstrates a value increase between old/new.

If keep 1GB DIMMs more whining about how should have dropped price.

b. It is more balanced since newer Xeons have bigger L3s makes sense to keep the L3/memory average balance the same.

c. Have done it on MBPs. Now coming standard with 4GB.


The primary blocker on going from 3GB to 6GB would be them bumping the hard drive default size up far enough (640GB -> 1TB) that the year-over-year price drop savings was totally used up on that or got partially eaten up by Intel's price hikes. That isn't the best choice for balance though.

The only reason to keep 1GB on the update is that know most folks were going to run off and replace them anyway so just ship with smallest, cheapest set. That's not an "added value prop" position though.


There should be enough "extra" space on the SP daughtercard for Apple to drop a version with 6 slots perhaps this time. Use the space were the other processor and 4 slots are in the alternative version. However, can see how they may stick with the somewhat copy and replicate Package + 4 on both and max reuse on this update.



FCP needs to catch up now with PPro CS5 - Adobe taps into the GPU like never before while Apple laid off a lot of people from the FCP division. I'm also thinking about switching to the CS 5 master suite (since I use CS for design and layout anyway).

Switching software because better fit. Imagine that.


stop beating loyal customers over the head with hyped up prices, delayed new products and the promotion of toys!

Loyal customer... What Apple owes you something on your next system because you previously bought one?

I understand the never owned folks but if have bought a Mac Pro the value prop now is about the same as it has been since they firmed up the boundaries between product lines.
 
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If they introduce the base model SP MacPro with a 2.66Ghz proc I'll be pissed! 2.93Ghz should be the base. For those of us that don't need 8 or 12 cores, we'll be getting screwed if they flip us the 2.66 as a starting point.

It is unlikely Intel is going to release a 3620 (or equivalent) at 2.93GHz while setting the price at $284 . To get into the 2.90+ GHz range with any of the 3500 series offerings you were at least paying $562 for the unit. That isn't likely going to get any cheaper for the 3600 series. Setting your expectations otherwise is just setting yourself up for disappointment.

Apple is likely to "eat" $200+ per box to make a bunch of users happy ... keep believing that is going to happen.

With 5600 series, the clock rate on the bottom offering Apple likely to use, 5620, jumped to 2.40GHz (from 2.26 for 5520). So perhaps Intel won't juice the lower differences quite as much this time with updated 3600. If add the same delta, the 3620 would come in at 2.8GHz. That is close enough to 2.93GHz to add essentially the same value, but still keep the lower component cost. You get a bump in GHz and L3 cache size. Both of those should help squeeze out better performance.

Right now, Intel doesn't offer a 3620 or 3640 which is a much bigger blocker than anything Apple is doing (or not doing ; depending upon your perspective).
 
That has everything to do with non US currencies collapsing. Like Intel increasing component costs.... why is Apple going to take hit in margins because currency went down?

I suppose someone is going to propose that Apple dynamically adjust prices as the Euro flops around. That's goofy. They make can make a projection as to what the average rate is going to be then price to that so that offering price remains constant. If there is cushion in their estimate... that's OK because likely expanding retail store openings in area anyway.


It would be crazy for Apple to price Mac Pros ( and there other products) based on the spot market for components (and even more so on weekly/monthly current markets which are even more looney toons when looked at through small periods of time). No serious business customer nor most consumers want to put up with the uncertainty that introduces. Apple is a big company their pricing should take the lumps and bumps so that get a fixed price over an extended period of time. Fixed prices make purchasing decisions that take time to get approval go more smoothly.

I agree 100%. With the Greek currency down to junk bond level and other EU countries in trouble, it looks like Apple and other companies are predicting the Euro will collapse and are pricing their products accordingly.
 
I would think its pretty obvious why things like scaling can't be spread across multiple cores - scaling is a linear transformation and with most maths, you can't suddenly split it into separate concurrent equations. Do one operation before you can do the other - it's as simple as that really.

And an increase of processor speed isn't everything - everyone should understand that now. There's a lot of bottlenecks in both hardware and software. Plus, an increase in efficiency in individual components are meaningless if the pathways that connect these components are crap - simple example, why do you think RAM is always so close to the CPU? But assuming these are all top-notch, it's again, meaningless if the software is crap - and I'm talking about the Operating System here. Cause it's the OS (or more precisely, the kernel) that decides how to manage memory, for example.

Keep in mind that program data is stored in memory - accessing menu's in your wonderful GUI apps is something that requires both memory and CPU's to work together to function.

Of course, it doesn't help though if you don't have enough RAM and the OS is using paging - you might be unlucky enough to have the part of program data that handles menu code paged to your HDD, cause then your OS has to page some other memory, get the menu segment out of your HDD and put it back into RAM.

Anyway, I could keep ranting on, but I've forgotten what my point was... lol
Give yourself a cookie if you read through this entire thing ;)
 
I just don't think there will be a significant price increase like everyone else is saying. People have been saying that the entry point for 2 six-core CPUs will be above 6K which makes absolutely no sense to me when there is a $14 difference between the CPUs. Sure, the prices may go up a bit, but not $2,700. I think Apple knows their price for the Mac Pro is bad enough and to do that would be ridiculous. I don't know if you are someone who believes that, but if you do go for it, you have your own opinion. But it would be stupid to raise the price $2,700 when the price difference of the part is $14. My guess is that the price of the 12-core system will only be a hundred or two difference from that of an 8-core system.

I think you will see a minimum of a 10% (I'm predicting 15%) increase in price. That is more then a $100-200 change.

One thing I think I'm safe in predicting is that nobody will like the pricing.
 
I think you will see a minimum of a 10% (I'm predicting 15%) increase in price. That is more then a $100-200 change.

One thing I think I'm safe in predicting is that nobody will like the pricing.

Haha generally people think most Apple products are over priced anyways. And I think the main reason there was a big price difference in the 2008 8-core model compared to the 2009 8-core model was the increase in RAM. The 2008 model started with 2GB RAM and the current 8-core model with 6 GB. A 4GB module from Apple costs $500, the exact price difference between the 2008 and 2009 model. People have said to expect a big price difference this time because there was one that time. However, if there is a big price difference, it should not be because of the new six-core processors. If it was a 15% increase, that would make the starting Mac Pro at almost 3K, I don't think they would do that. Why do you think they would raise it all 15%?
 
I'm beginning to understand what Steve meant by saying "Wait" and "bringing us to the next level".

I have a feeling that the Mac Pro will follow suit shortly and will get a similar case design treatment as well. It is, afterall, the last Mac in their lineup that hasn't yet received a facelift.

The MacBook Air is due too. I'm still hopeful the 29th of this month will be the day for the new Mac Pro. Hopefully SJ will prove that the Newsweek mock Mac obituary was completely wrong.
 
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