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I think for once these proposed bills in Minnesota and Arizon are a good thing. They will open up the market, possibly get rid of those crazy 30 or 15% fees anf force Apple to innovate.
Innovate how they must make their users directly pay for the services that Apple provide with hosting and security vetting apps?
 
IMO It would be nice to install apps without having to go thru the App Store. It doesn't have to be default but an option hidden in the Settings would be cool.
 
IMO It would be nice to install apps without having to go thru the App Store. It doesn't have to be default but an option hidden in the Settings would be cool.

Wonderful!

Now how do you get your iPhone fixed if this third-party App Store hosts software that infects your iPhone with malware?

What if that software bricks your iPhone, who pays?

What if this third-party App Store installs an app that wipes all your data. How do you get it back?

Detailed answers with complete logic, please.
 
And everywhere you sell you will have to pay fees. Target, Walmart, etc. And if you think of opening your own store you will not pay a fee but your infrastructure cost will shoot through the roof.

Want to know a dirty little secret?

Just about everything you see inside a Wal-Mart isn't actually owned by Wal-Mart. For example, have you ever purchased jewelry in a Wal-Mart? I hate to tell you, but that jewelry counter isn't owned by Wal-Mart. It's owned by a third-party company that *GASP* rents the space from Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart staffs it, takes care of it - does practically everything but buy the stock of merchandise. In reality it depends on the store, but as little as 10% of everything you can see in a Wal-Mart is technically not owned by Wal-Mart, or is even Wal-Mart property.

Do you think for a second you could get away with *NOT* paying Wal-Mart for that arrangement?
 
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You're trying to say that the developers can't chose to sell for Android devices instead?

Developers can't choose to sell their app directly themselves on a site that they're paying to operate because Apple won't allow them to do so.

Apple allow that just fine; what Apple doesn't allow is people circumventing the security process of having apps vetted before the public has the ability to install them.

Apple allows developers to sell their iOS apps outside of Apple's app store? Since when?

There is a one-word refutation for your assertion that it is - somehow, in some way - impossible to sell or install a non-Apple approved app: jailbreak.
Having to jailbreak your iDevice to bypass Apple's restrictions and be able to install apps outside of Apple's app store means that Apple does not "allow that just fine."

Try to keep up.
 
Having to jailbreak your iDevice to bypass Apple's restrictions and be able to install apps outside of Apple's app store means that Apple does not "allow that just fine."

Try to keep up.

That is neither what you said, nor what you claimed. You maintained it couldn't be done. With one word I proved you wrong.

Try to keep up.
 
I’m just curious how much longer we are going to continue to elect officials that will drop to their knees and swallow for money. At this point I would prefer actual prostitutes take over governing duties.

As for greedy developers trying to compromise my security and privacy so they can sell their wares, I would gladly use the web instead of third party apps and would smile as your revenue streams dropped to zero. The App Store made the iPhone what it is today, but it can’t be allowed to dismantle people’s privacy and security. There is a reason there is no malware on iPhone. How dumb do you have to be to not be able to see that these open ecosystems have malware but Apples closed ecosystem does not. How is their any discussion or argument beyond that? What are the pros again? I’m team iPhone 100% but open that ecosystem Apple, and I’ll move to a Linux phone or abandon smart phones all together.
 
This is ridiculous. If you decide to be an app developer you know Apple/Google get a cut of the in-app purchases. It’s their platform, they’re allowed. If you don’t like it, don’t have in-app purchases. Pretty simple.
Exactly this. It's mind blowing to me there is a movement trying to push companies from doing what they put in place. If I'm a developer, that's my choice to agree to THEIR terms if I want to use THEIR service on THEIR devices. If I'm a developer and I don't like that, well, then I should be designing my own phone for my apps or just not use THEIR platform.

The self-entitlement of today's society is absolutely gobsmacking.

That said, I've always said Apple has been sneaky in taking good apps and 'melding' them into their own existing or new apps (2Do is a good one - the new reminders is very similar to it and other organization apps). I think that's dirty.

But agreeing to terms and then trying to change it or have it regulated is just unreal.

That's like me going to be bank and saying, "HEY! I agreed to x % mortgage rate 5 years ago into a 20 year mortgage, but you're making too much money so screw that.....I'm only going to pay you 0.5%"

HUH?
 
Apple has nothing to do with what anyone decides to sell where; what Apple has to do with is making sure that apps/developers can't circumvent the security precautions/processes required to install the apps.
What the bill is trying to address is allowing iOS developers to make their apps available outside of Apple's app store, whether that be selling them directly or through other channels.

This is the point I'm addressing. Why is this a bad thing on iOS but is okay with macOS?

A Minnesota bill shared by Star Tribune would force Apple and Google to keep products from Minnesotan developers on their app stores even if those developers sell them directly or through other channels, skirting current in-app purchase rules.
 
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Wonderful!

Now how do you get your iPhone fixed if this third-party App Store hosts software that infects your iPhone with malware?

The same way people have been getting their Macs fixed for over 30 years when they get their software outside of the Apple app store and have problems with it.

What if that software bricks your iPhone, who pays?

The owner.

What if this third-party App Store installs an app that wipes all your data. How do you get it back?

Detailed answers with complete logic, please.
iCloud back ups
 
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Do you mean the open source repositories that depend on *GASP* corporate oversight and financial contributions to exist?

Nothing in life is free.

Let me repeat that, since it sounded vaguely important.

Nothing in life is free.

Should the corporate money dry up, most of the "free" hosting you perceive would instantly disappear. Most of the "projects" in open source would cease to exist. Virtually all Linux development would cease, for example.

Those "open source" repositories?
Who said it was free? I never implied hosting and (and maintaining) the servers was free. I said they host your package for free. Free of charge (to the package owner).

You would think Apple could totally do it as well if that means having lots of apps that enrich its platform (the iPhone).
 
As an Apple customer I want privacy and security (all the sleazebag developers flouting the rules, be damned). If you want more “open source” go android. Apple is far from a monopoly. As google always tells us they sell way more phones on android
As an Apple customer, no I don’t want to use android. Thanks but no thanks.-
 
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Well we could all get a Facebook phone
Or a Windows phone... that has no apps. Where’s Windows phone now? That’s what happens when your OS has no apps. See why Apple needs app developers so much?
 
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