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MLB 2009 Season

sysiphus said:
Which is a silly argument. In many years, that is true...but try explaining away the '95 Mariners, the late 90s Indians, the Orioles in '97, the '01 Mariners (116 wins, anybody?) the 2001 Athletics, etc. Doesn't matter if they won it all or not...they were still VERY strong competition.
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First of all the mid 90s Indians were consistently one of the better teams in the league so they don't belong in that post. Secondly, all those teams with the exception of the '01 Mariners mentioned were consistently good for a few years.

The '01 Mariners team you mention got their butts whooped by the Yankees in the postseason which proved how great that team was. This team as well as the '98 Padres would be a better comparison. The Devil Rays were a flash in the pan and had one great year but you're crazy if you think they belong in the class of the Yankees, Red Sox & Angels.

sysiphus said:
Not sure what you're saying...are you trying to discount last year's playoffs because the Yankees weren't in it? In case you forgot, they missed the playoffs because they weren't very good...not because they forgot to sign up or something. Team performance from any year other than 2008 did not and does not reflect on 2008.
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Stop trying to put words in my mouth. This is the second time. I mentioned three teams that were have been and still are the best in the AL, not just the Yankees. I'm hope you can forgive the Yankees for not making the playoffs once in the past 15 years.

Every once in a while you have a fluke team that manages to be successful and make it into the playoffs. Now if you want to believe that the 2008 Devil Rays, who were lousy virtually every year before and after 2008, are really good team then go right ahead.
 
Nice to know Burnett is being squeezed. That 6th pitch was right on the corner.
 

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str1f3 said:
First of all the mid 90s Indians were consistently one of the better teams in the league so they don't belong in that post. Secondly, all those teams with the exception of the '01 Mariners mentioned were consistently good for a few years.

The '01 Mariners team you mention got their butts whooped by the Yankees in the postseason which proved how great that team was. This team as well as the '98 Padres would be a better comparison. The Devil Rays were a flash in the pan and had one great year but you're crazy if you think they belong in the class of the Yankees, Red Sox & Angels.
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You were contending that the Angels, Red Sox, and Yankees were the only great teams--so when I threw in the consistently good Indians, they don't belong why?

Also, yes, the Mariners were consistently good for several years--in 2000, they won the Wild Card with 91 wins and went to the ALCS, in '01 they won 116 games and went to the ALCS, and in '02 and '03 they won 93 games each year, missing the playoffs only because the AL West was remarkably strong. That seems like a reasonably decent string of good years to me. As for 01, yes the Mariners were fantastic--they won all but four series in the regular season. Yes, they were beaten in the ALCS--but if you look at the stats on that roster (not to mention the number of All Stars!), it's an incredible list.

I'm not saying that they Rays are in the same class every year--but you're kidding yourself if you really think the Yanks were better than them last year. Their respective records do all the talking.
 
MacNut said:
How is that high, it is at the letters.:confused:
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Easy, the umps want the series to continue and since he knows AJ likes to flirt with the corner of the strike zone, will squeeze him hard so he will make mistakes like he did to Utley. :p
 
I love my MLB at bat had enough of Fox's crap comentators and now listing to John Sterling Saves my stress level and probally prevents me from throwing something at my wall :D
 
sysiphus said:
You were contending that the Angels, Red Sox, and Yankees were the only great teams--so when I threw in the consistently good Indians, they don't belong why?
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Because this isn't 1997 and Kenny Lofton, Albert Belle, Carlos Baerga, Omar Vizquel are retired and Manny plays for the Dodgers.

sysiphus said:
Also, yes, the Mariners were consistently good for several years--in 2000, they won the Wild Card with 91 wins and went to the ALCS, in '01 they won 116 games and went to the ALCS, and in '02 and '03 they won 93 games each year, missing the playoffs only because the AL West was remarkably strong. That seems like a reasonably decent string of good years to me. As for 01, yes the Mariners were fantastic--they won all but four series in the regular season. Yes, they were beaten in the ALCS--but if you look at the stats on that roster (not to mention the number of All Stars!), it's an incredible list.
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That '01 Mariners team is not even close to being the same team as the Mariner team earlier that decade. That's like saying this Yankee team is the same as the 90's Yanks because they still have four players that were on both teams. By the time the '01 Mariners came around Griffey wasn't even on the team, Jeff Nelson was traded to the Yankees and I believe Jay Buhner was either playing somewhere else or retired.

As for you extolling the virtues of that Mariners team, no one thought that they would beat the Yankees in the ALCS and they lost in five. The Mariners had a fantastic regular season. Were they a fantastic team? No. The Mariners won 116 games that year and no one considers them one of the great teams of all-time. I really couldn't care less about their stats for that year because most of those players (only exceptions being Edgar Martinez and A-Rod?) were garbage for the rest of their careers. If you ask any Mariners fan I'm sure they would tell you that the mid 90's Mariner teams were better than the 2001 team.

sysiphus said:
I'm not saying that they Rays are in the same class every year--but you're kidding yourself if you really think the Yanks were better than them last year. Their respective records do all the talking.
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Like I said it was a fluke last year for both teams as well as the Red Sox and Angels. Just because they won the AL pennant does not mean that they were the best team. It is not always the case in baseball that the best two teams make it. This year it is the case.
 
This is the 2nd worst bunch of umps this postseason. Two balls are called strikes and the strike is a ball. They squeeze AJ to hell, but give two wide balls called strikes to Robertson.

If I was a crazy Yankee fan, I would say these umps are trying to rig the game to the Phils advantage. :p
 

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This is the 2nd worst bunch of umps this postseason. Two balls are called strikes and the strike is a ball. They squeeze AJ to hell, but give two wide balls called strikes to Robertson.

If I was a crazy Yankee fan, I would say these umps are trying to rig the game to the Phils advantage. :p
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that is pretty much why AJ is out of the game right now:mad:
 
str1f3 said:
That '01 Mariners team is not even close to being the same team as the Mariner team earlier that decade. That's like saying this Yankee team is the same as the 90's Yanks because they still have four players that were on both teams. By the time the '01 Mariners came around Griffey wasn't even on the team, Jeff Nelson was traded to the Yankees and I believe Jay Buhner was either playing somewhere else or retired.

As for you extolling the virtues of that Mariners team, no one thought that they would beat the Yankees in the ALCS and they lost in five. The Mariners had a fantastic regular season. Were they a fantastic team? No. The Mariners won 116 games that year and no one considers them one of the great teams of all-time. I really couldn't care less about their stats for that year because most of those players (only exceptions being Edgar Martinez and A-Rod?) were garbage for the rest of their careers. If you ask any Mariners fan I'm sure they would tell you that the mid 90's Mariner teams were better than the 2001 team.



Like I said it was a fluke last year for both teams as well as the Red Sox and Angels. Just because they won the AL pennant does not mean that they were the best team. It is not always the case in baseball that the best two teams make it. This year it is the case.
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1) Do you understand the meaning of the word "decade"? Depending on your definitions, the decade either began in 2000 or 2001. So not really sure what you're getting at there--because the 01 team was better than the 2000 team. Look up the stats if you don't believe me. The only downer was losing A-Rod, and that was more than compensated for by better pitching, and the additions of Bret Boone and Ichiro.
2)You don't know what you're talking about with Mariners players. Let me throw a few names out there for you: Ichiro. He debuted in 2001, batted .350, won the AL Rookie of the Year, MVP, and was an All-Star. 2009? He's gotten over 200 hits every year, won a couple batting titles, set a single-season hits record, set the record for consecutive 200-hit seasons, been an All Star and Gold Glover every year. Career batting average of .333. Hit like .351 this year. Gee, he sure declined. Second, A-Rod had left--2000 was his last year as a Mariner. Try learning something about the team you're judging before making a stupid argument. Also, why do you care about the years afterward? A lot of guys had career years--not shockingly, this made for a good team. Look up Bret Boone--he was one of the best 2B in baseball that ever in 2001, period. We had a team ERA as good as CC Sabathia's this year.

Comparing the team to the 90s teams (let's assume you mean 95 and 97, the two 90s teams to go to the playoffs): In the 90s, the team's pitching strategy pretty much consisted of Randy Johnson, period. He was great. But in 2001, the team led the league in lowest runs allowed (also led the league in runs scored). I'm not going to bother going down all the statistics, because you clearly don't know what you're talking about, so there's little point arguing with you--but we'll leave it at this--in '95, they were a Cinderalla team...in '97 they were an offensive powerhouse with no pitching plan. The 2000s teams were far better balanced.
 
sysiphus said:
No reason to think that the Phillies can't do it...after all, remember how people were talking after game 1? They've already beaten the seemingly invincible CC once, and there's no reason to think that Lee can't win again tonight. No way I'd bet on the Phillies here, but I wouldn't count them out just yet.
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Lee looks great. I think this one's going to go to Philly. Hopefully, we can all take this on the road to New York.

If Philly wins tonight, the next two must-win games will be the hardest they have ever faced. A WS win will resurrect the Phillies as a force like the '04 and '07 seasons brought back the Red Sox.
 
sysiphus said:
1) Do you understand the meaning of the word "decade"? Depending on your definitions, the decade either began in 2000 or 2001. So not really sure what you're getting at there--because the 01 team was better than the 2000 team. Look up the stats if you don't believe me. The only downer was losing A-Rod, and that was more than compensated for by better pitching, and the additions of Bret Boone and Ichiro.
2)You don't know what you're talking about with Mariners players. Let me throw a few names out there for you: Ichiro. He debuted in 2001, batted .350, won the AL Rookie of the Year, MVP, and was an All-Star. 2009? He's gotten over 200 hits every year, won a couple batting titles, set a single-season hits record, set the record for consecutive 200-hit seasons, been an All Star and Gold Glover every year. Career batting average of .333. Hit like .351 this year. Gee, he sure declined. Second, A-Rod had left--2000 was his last year as a Mariner. Try learning something about the team you're judging before making a stupid argument. Also, why do you care about the years afterward? A lot of guys had career years--not shockingly, this made for a good team. Look up Bret Boone--he was one of the best 2B in baseball that ever in 2001, period. We had a team ERA as good as CC Sabathia's this year.

Comparing the team to the 90s teams (let's assume you mean 95 and 97, the two 90s teams to go to the playoffs): In the 90s, the team's pitching strategy pretty much consisted of Randy Johnson, period. He was great. But in 2001, the team led the league in lowest runs allowed (also led the league in runs scored). I'm not going to bother going down all the statistics, because you clearly don't know what you're talking about, so there's little point arguing with you--but we'll leave it at this--in '95, they were a Cinderalla team...in '97 they were an offensive powerhouse with no pitching plan. The 2000s teams were far better balanced.
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First off you're bringing up teams from over ten years ago. Are they any good now? No. That's why they are not considered. They are not playing with the Angels, Yankees, Red Sox and Devil Rays of 2009. Those were different teams of a different era. They have no purpose in this conversation. The reason why I brought up those three teams is that they are good today and have been for awhile now. That is, unless, if I'm mistaken and the D' Rays managed to beat those teams to get to the WS.


As for that '01 team you go on for a whole paragraph about Ichiro. Yes he is a great player and I forgot to mention him. It's only because that '01 Mariners team was so forgettable. You can cite the career years of those marginally average pitchers whom no one know and probably aren't even in the sport anymore. You can't name me one of their pitchers who went to go on to have any semblance of an HOF career. They were an average team who had a great regular season. Compare that team to that Cubs team and the '98 Yanks and it is laughable. Those two teams had a slew of HOF and were undisputed great teams. The fact that they won 116 games and aren't even favored by Vegas to win the ALCS should tell you about how 'great' they were.


I'm wondering how in the heck you consider that Mid 90s Mariners team with Griffey, Martinez, Buhner, Randy Johnson, Mike Blowers, and Jeff Nelson a Cinderella team is beyond me. That team had an incredible amount of talent with the best player in the game and the second best pitcher. That is insanity.

BTW if you think that it's somehow a weak strategy to win on the back of one excellent pitcher then you should watching the Phillies tonight and see why that's not true.
 
AJ doesn't have the mental composure to get past some missed calls...I consider him a powder keg. Lights out as long as he's comfortable but he can be combustible.

HA. Just as I was about to post about how the bullpen has been pitching well and Utley hits his 2nd. The guy isn't missing anything near the plate. Geez Yankees, haven't we learned that yet?

Oh well...Andy back home. At least he's good under pressure and can shut down the running game.
 
Better the Phillies get there hits now, because they won't get anymore.

Kinda stupid that they want to go back to NY to watch the Yankees celebrate at home though.
 
I think the Yankees would be better off just setting up a tee on home plate. ;)

Then again....Ryan Howard would still strike out....
 
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