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MLB Hotstove 08

MacNut said:
Are the Twins that cheap that they can't keep their ace.
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Yes.

zioxide said:
That would be a really bad trade if they traded away a couple of those pitching prospects for Santana.. for Red Sox fans. I don't know how Yankees fans couldn't love that trade. He's a 28 year old 2 time Cy Young winner.

It mirrors the Sox trading Hanley Ramirez and Anibel Sanchez for Josh Beckett.
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No doubt that Santana is premier pitcher, however he does play in the AL Central which really wasn't all too competitive this season. (In the beg. of season yes)

Hughes, Kennedy and Chamberlain have already pitched this season and we already got a preview of what's to come from them. As much as I would love to have Santana, I think that all 3 have a great future in front of them. It's a rebuilding year (so to speak) for the Yanks. Let them rebuild from the inside instead of buying/trading away our future. Look where it's gotten them so far.... no where.
 
Teh Don Ditty said:
Yes.



No doubt that Santana is premier pitcher, however he does play in the AL Central which really wasn't all too competitive this season. (In the beg. of season yes)

Hughes, Kennedy and Chamberlain have already pitched this season and we already got a preview of what's to come from them. As much as I would love to have Santana, I think that all 3 have a great future in front of them. It's a rebuilding year (so to speak) for the Yanks. Let them rebuild from the inside instead of buying/trading away our future. Look where it's gotten them so far.... no where.
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They could end up being flops.. Santana is proven and possibly the best pitcher in the game.

And I'd hardly call it rebuilding when you're signing multiple 35+ year olds to huge multi-year contracts.
 
zioxide said:
They could end up being flops.. Santana is proven and possibly the best pitcher in the game.

And I'd hardly call it rebuilding when you're signing multiple 35+ year olds to huge multi-year contracts.
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And Santana could pull an A-Rod and absolutely choke. There are no guarantees.

Mo and Posada were necessary. Too bad Posada doesn't have somebody to groom to be the next catcher. Mo has a little juice left, but I think his signing was more of the fact that he can teach his predecessor. We'll see what happens.
 
MacNut said:
Are the Twins that cheap that they can't keep their ace.
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Yes, they are. Or more accurately, the Twins' owner is. He might be the richest owner in baseball, but doesn't care if the Twins win or not.

Teh Don Ditty said:
And Santana could pull an A-Rod and absolutely choke. There are no guarantees.
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One could argue that Rodriguez hasn't pulled his weight in the playoffs, but in terms of staying on the field and producing offense, he might be the most sure thing in baseball. I wouldn't say he's "earned" $25 million a year, but at least a team knows he'll be very good and stay healthy. If that's choking, then our standards are too high.
 
Red Sox's Lester Wins Tony Conigliaro Award

BOSTON -- Jon Lester, who came back from a cancer diagnosis in 2006 to win this year's World Series clincher for Boston, was honored Wednesday with the Tony Conigliaro Award for overcoming adversity through spirit, determination and courage.

The 23-year-old pitcher was diagnosed with a rare form of non-Hodgkin's lymphoma in August 2006. After cancer treatment during the offseason, he started the year on the disabled list. Lester was recalled in July and finished the regular season 4-0 with a 4.57 ERA.

Lester is cancer-free and will have another checkup when he returns to Boston in January to receive the award.

"It's just a storybook-type ending," he said. "If you'd have told me that at the end of last year in spring training that we would have been in that situation, I probably would have laughed at you."

The award, which will be presented at the Boston chapter of the Baseball Writers' Association of America dinner on Jan. 17, is named for the promising Red Sox player whose career was derailed when he was hit in the face by a pitch in 1967.
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ESPN
 
MINNEAPOLIS -- The Twins and Rays completed a blockbuster six-player deal Wednesday night that sent pitcher Matt Garza, shortstop Jason Bartlett and Minor League pitcher Eduardo Morlan to Tampa Bay in exchange for outfielder Delmon Young and two other players.
Young, 22, is considered to be one of the game's up-and-coming hitters. A first-round pick in the 2003 First-Year Player Draft, Young finished second in the American League Rookie of the Year voting behind Boston's Dustin Pedroia. He played in all 162 games for the Rays in 2007, hitting .288 with 13 home runs and 93 RBIs.

Along with Young, the Twins received shortstop Brendan Harris and outfielder Jason Pridie in the deal.

mlb.com
 
MacNut said:
MINNEAPOLIS -- The Twins and Rays completed a blockbuster six-player deal Wednesday night that sent pitcher Matt Garza, shortstop Jason Bartlett and Minor League pitcher Eduardo Morlan to Tampa Bay in exchange for outfielder Delmon Young and two other players.
Young, 22, is considered to be one of the game's up-and-coming hitters. A first-round pick in the 2003 First-Year Player Draft, Young finished second in the American League Rookie of the Year voting behind Boston's Dustin Pedroia. He played in all 162 games for the Rays in 2007, hitting .288 with 13 home runs and 93 RBIs.

Along with Young, the Twins received shortstop Brendan Harris and outfielder Jason Pridie in the deal.

mlb.com
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How exactly is that a blockbuster?
 
MacNut said:
Crisp is a major downgrade from Hunter.
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Yes, but he is a major upgrade over anyone else they have on their roster currently. The twins aren't in a very strong bargaining position, then know in a year they lose Santana and get nothing in return so they have to grab whatever they can now.
 
Here's how the Santana Sweepstakes currently shake out ...

1. Yankees. They have the money to pay Santana and the prospects to get a deal done, even if they don't include untouchable sensation Joba Chamberlain. The Twins likely will try to pry Phil Hughes from the Yankees, who hope a combination of Ian Kennedy, Melky Cabrera and other prospects will suffice. The Yankees are suddenly well-stocked in the minors, with pitchers Alan Horne, Daniel McCutchen and Kevin Whelan and outfielders Jose Tabata, Austin Jackson and Brett Gardner. Odds to land Santana: 2-to-1.

2. Red Sox. The Twins are pressuring Boston to include center field prodigy Jacoby Ellsbury along with World Series-clinching pitcher Jon Lester in a four-player package. However, with Boston refusing to budge on no-hit wonder Clay Buchholz, the Red Sox may have a hard time convincing the Twins to do a deal without Ellsbury. Boston also has decent second-tier guys, such as outfielder Brandon Moss, pitchers Michael Bowden and Justin Masterson and shortstop Jed Lowrie. They can't have the desperation of the Yankees, who are playing catch-up, though. Odds to land Santana: 5-to-2.

3. Angels. They possess the prospects and the wherewithal needed. But they appear to be more focused on a hitter -- namely Cabrera -- at present. Odds to land Santana: 10-to-1.

4. Dodgers. They certainly have what it takes. But they are suggesting publicly -- first in the Boston Globe, then the L.A. Times -- that they want to keep their top prospects and may do nothing more. Odds to land Santana: 15-to-1.

5. Mets. With the Twins trading young pitcher Matt Garza and adding young outfielder Delmon Young from Tampa in a six-player trade on Wednesday, there's now even more need for pitching and less need for outfield help, which is what the Mets have in surplus. New York has no starting pitchers to trade, and it has rebuffed the idea of moving either David Wright or Jose Reyes (good for them), so this looks like a non-starter. Odds to land Santana: 20-to-1.

6. Field. The Mariners have the need and the cash. But does Santana want to go from relative obscurity in Minneapolis to complete obscurity in Seattle? Good luck identifying other teams ready to pay $25 million a year to a pitcher. Odds: 25-to-1.

7. Santana stays. While it's hard to fathom the Twins suddenly enhancing their $80 million offer by 50 percent or letting Santana play out the year, there's still an outside chance that they could decide to keep him until the All-Star break -- very outside. Odds: 7-to-1.
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/jon_heyman/11/29/thursday.scoop/index.html
 
MacNut said:
What are the Twins gonna want with Crisp. Don't forget that Santana has a no trade and has to approve any deal.
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All of the rumors flying around seem to agree that any team that agrees to a trade for Santana would require a negotiating period on a new contract (new or an extension)before finalizing it, so that he doesn't become a free agent a year from now. That's probably fine with Santana, since he'd basically be negotiating his free agency contract a year early. And it's fine with the Twins too because they know that they won't get the prospects they want if a team is trading for only one year of Santana.
 
The soap opera continues....
Johan Santana Rumors

I think it's time for a new Johan Santana thread. We'll start today with a Peter Gammons report today on Mike & Mike In The Morning.

Gammons favors the Yankees in the Santana derby, because he feels that Hank Steinbrenner could overrule Brian Cashman and include Phil Hughes in the deal. Some feel that the Red Sox are just trying to pump up the price and would then turn to the A's to get Dan Haren. Getting Haren instead of Santana may have the added benefit of not pissing off Josh Beckett about his salary
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Bedard rumors
Erik Bedard Rumors

The Baltimore Sun's Jeff Zrebiec has the latest regarding ace Erik Bedard. Some rank Bedard as the best available starter, all-in-all - he's under team control for longer than Johan Santana, doesn't have no-trade rights, and has better stuff than Dan Haren.

* The Orioles and Bedard's agent never actually exchanged salary figures, and now contract extension talks have come to a stop. Andy MacPhail isn't concerned but no one seems to expect the O's to pony up the money needed to retain their ace beyond 2009. Johan Santana should set the bar; Bedard may become a $20MM pitcher.
* Zrebiec lists the Yankees, Mets, Mariners, Angels, and Dodgers as teams that have inquired on Bedard. It's surprising to see the Red Sox omitted from that list.
* The Mets made an offer: Carlos Gomez, Aaron Heilman, and perhaps Phil Humber. That's an OK starting point but the O's could do better.
* The Dodgers have also had talks with the O's, with Matt Kemp, Jonathan Broxton, and Clayton Kershaw coming up. That's certainly worth mulling over.
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http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-sp.orioles30nov30,0,7480581.story


New one I saw
Yankees Close With Loretta?

UPDATE, 11-30-07 at 10am: Troy E. Renck of the Denver Post has more on this situation. The Rockies got in touch with Loretta's agent recently but weren't optimistic on getting a deal done. While Loretta is close with the Yanks, he will let the Rockies' second base situation play out before signing because Colorado is his first choice.

FROM 11-30-07 at 8:40am:

Ryne Crabb of The Transaction Guy writes of a Buster Olney radio report wherein the Yankees were said to be close to signing Mark Loretta.

Before we punch Robinson Cano's ticket to Minnesota, remember that the Yanks have liked Loretta in the past as a first base and/or backup infield option. It may be as simple as that. To his credit, Loretta posted a .352 OBP last year (though he was awful after the break).
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zioxide said:
Umm, what the **** do we need Dan Haren for? We gonna do a 7 man rotation?
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It would be instead of Santana. Seems people are wondering if Santana gets the huge pay day from the Sox,Beckett's not going to be too happy..
Who the hell knows at this point...
 
fotografica said:
It would be instead of Santana. Seems people are wondering if Santana gets the huge pay day from the Sox,Beckett's not going to be too happy..
Who the hell knows at this point...
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So what would the trade be? If we can't get Santana I'd want to keep Lester. I don't really see the need to trade away some really good prospects for a guy who was decent in Oakland. I can see the trade for Santana because he's so damn good, but Haren is no Santana.

We're in a pretty good situation. Beckett and Matsuzaka are both locked up long term, and we have Lester and Buchholz who are both ready to go full seasons. One Schill retires we have Masterson and Bowden who should be ready. I suppose we could give up one of them, but I think a bigger priority would be trading one of them for a catching prospect, since Tek is getting old.
 
zioxide said:
So what would the trade be? If we can't get Santana I'd want to keep Lester. I don't really see the need to trade away some really good prospects for a guy who was decent in Oakland. I can see the trade for Santana because he's so damn good, but Haren is no Santana.

We're in a pretty good situation. Beckett and Matsuzaka are both locked up long term, and we have Lester and Buchholz who are both ready to go full seasons. One Schill retires we have Masterson and Bowden who should be ready. I suppose we could give up one of them, but I think a bigger priority would be trading one of them for a catching prospect, since Tek is getting old.
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I haven't heard any possible scenarios for Haren yet.It's all Santana talk.. First priority right now is to start grooming Tek's replacement. That's one area,even in the farm system,we don't have covered yet.
I am curious tho as to why Dr. Charles went to the Dodgers??That was an abrupt departure..
 
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