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MLB Hotstove 08

MacNut said:
No offense but is that really a big deal that someone in the front office moves on?
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Not a big deal at all guy.But since there are some Dodger fans on here, just thought I'd throw it out there...Besides,it's November 30th Not much happening...
 
Rumor is that if the Yankees ad Phil Hughes into the trade for Santana that could be guaranteed to get him.
Yankees people are debating now whether to give in to Minnesota's demands that Phil Hughes be included in trade talks involving Johan Santana. If the Yankees ultimately surrender Hughes, league sources indicate they have a decent chance to complete a trade for baseball's best pitcher.

The Yankees have been offering a package leading with young pitcher Ian Kennedy and outfielder Melky Cabrera, but the Twins are insisting that Hughes be included. The Yankees made Joba Chamberlain off-limits but it appears Minnesota would settle for Hughes if the other pieces are right.
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/11/30/santana.update/index.html
 
Teh Don Ditty said:
:TDD puts gun to head.... pulls trigger:
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We may not have a choice in giving up Hughes, can't let Santana go to the Red Sox, and we need a quality starter now.
For now, however, the Yankees are right in the thick of the bidding, having decided in internal discussions on Friday to offer pitcher Phil Hughes, rather than Ian Kennedy, into their offer, along with Melky Cabrera and a third player -- in all likelihood, a minor leaguer. The Yankees have told the Twins that the third player cannot be any of their very best young players -- Kennedy or Joba Chamberlain or second baseman Robinson Cano, for example, but a second-tier prospect
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Pettitte seems to be aiming towards retirement.
The Yankees and Red Sox are also engaged in ongoing talks with the Oakland Athletics about Dan Haren, an accomplished pitcher who is a much cheaper option than Santana. Haren would cost, in prospects, a package comparable to what Santana is commanding, but he is already under contract for the next three years at $16.25 million (presuming his team exercises an option for 2010).
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http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3136495
 
So if Hughes is officially in the package I'd say there's about an 80% chance the trade gets done.
 
ESPN is reporting that the Sox would be willing to include Ellsbury in the deal but then they would not include Lester. It would be a deal of Ellsbury, Masterson, and maybe Lowrie. SI says that the Twins would also have to include a position player (prospect) along with Santana.

IMO, stupid trade. I don't want to see Coco Strikeout in the ****ing lineup again. Ellsbury is a major upgrade over Crisp offensively. While having Santana would be great, I don't really want the Red Sox to turn in to the Yankees, trading away their future to get an all-star. Ellsbury, Lester, Buchholz will all be able to give us 10 years of service. Santana would probably give 5 solid years before he would start to decline. We already have Beckett, Matsuzaka (who will probably be alot better this year), Buchholz (who could be the next Beckett/Santana), Lester, and Masterson and Bowden to fill out the 5th spot in a couple of years.
 
deeper in that article...
The Yankees, meanwhile, have informed the Twins that they are going to pull their offer off the table soon -- perhaps by Tuesday at the latest -- unless they get an answer. The Yankees changed their offer on Friday, adding pitcher Phil Hughes after much internal debate, to go along with Melky Cabrera and a third prospect.

The Yankees have told the Twins they will not give them one of their top prospects as the third player in their offer -- not pitchers Ian Kennedy or Alan Horne, or outfielder Austin Jackson, for example.

It's possible that the Twins may find that the offers from Boston and the Yankees are not acceptable, and decide, ultimately, to keep Santana. But executives involved in the trade talks fully expect that the Twins will trade Santana, and that they will make a decision within the next 72 hours on what offer they prefer. If either the Yankees or the Red Sox were to pull out of negotiations, the Twins' leverage would be greatly diminished.
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zioxide said:
ESPN is reporting that the Sox would be willing to include Ellsbury in the deal but then they would not include Lester. It would be a deal of Ellsbury, Masterson, and maybe Lowrie. SI says that the Twins would also have to include a position player (prospect) along with Santana.

IMO, stupid trade. I don't want to see Coco Strikeout in the ****ing lineup again. Ellsbury is a major upgrade over Crisp offensively. While having Santana would be great, I don't really want the Red Sox to turn in to the Yankees, trading away their future to get an all-star. Ellsbury, Lester, Buchholz will all be able to give us 10 years of service. Santana would probably give 5 solid years before he would start to decline. We already have Beckett, Matsuzaka (who will probably be alot better this year), Buchholz (who could be the next Beckett/Santana), Lester, and Masterson and Bowden to fill out the 5th spot in a couple of years.
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I'm not liking that scenario at all..I'm really not keen on mortgaging the future to win now,esp since the Sox have won two of the last four WS..
 
Moot point(s). Every team has done that. That's why I'm vehemently against the trade for Santana. Stop mortgaging the future to try to win now.
 
While the Yankees do need good pitchers, I am not sure if they can afford giving up the rocket of an arm Melky provides in center field. Abreu's and Damon's arm are WEAK and Matsui's is decent.
 
Sobe said:
we can add three more to that:

Bronson Arroyo for Wily Mo Pena.

Wily Mo Pena to Nats (sort of via Arizona) and get Chris Carter.

Kason Gabbard, David Murphy and Engel Beltre for Eric Gagne.
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The only one that was trading away prospects for an all-star was the Gagme trade.
 
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