Being a front runner doesn't mean anything, the Yankees were the frontrunner for 15 years, Just because you have the best team on paper doesn't mean anything in the real world. Most of the teams that have won it all were underdogs.
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Well when the Yankees were front runners, they went to 6 WS, won 4 and won 12 straight AL East titles.
They were not the front runners in 96, the Braves were. 97 the Indians were. 98-2001 they were the best. But in 96-2001 they did not buy from outside. All of those wins were from within. You can argue that both Red Sox championships were with outside help. The only big trade the Yankees made was for Paul O'Neil, and he wasn't a big time trade.
The Red Sox won only because of Ortiz Manny and Schilling, and they were all traded for.
I'll agree with that for 2004, but 2007 had a lot of homegrown talent as well. Jonathan Papelbon, Jon Lester, Manny Delcarmen, Kevin Youkilis, Dustin Pedroia, Jacoby Ellsbury, Clay Buchholz, Brandon Moss all contributed.
Granted on the point of 07 having a lot of homegrown talent, but without Ramirez, Ortiz, Schilling, Lowell, and Beckett, the Sox don't even get close.
That's not meant as an indictment, either--it's a credit to the Sox making good, smart, effective trades.
Well yeah. But it goes back to the homegrown talent too. It's all about managing and deciding the best way to use them. Like trading Hanley Ramirez and Anibel Sanchez for Josh Beckett and Mike Lowell. That was a good trade. Beckett was only 25 at the time and we only had to give up 2 guys, not the whole farm.
Santana is 29 and we'd have to give up at least 3 prospects. It just doesn't seem worth it to me, especially given how well Theo & Co have drafted. We have a bunch of great guys who will be impact players in 3-4 years.
In fact, it seems like that might be what Epstein is feeling now:
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reason why arod should have just bought the marlins from loria. they aren't worth much, and probably would have interfered with bud's plan to get them out of there anyway. most marlin fans are disgruntled, don't be surprised to see record low attendance numbers from florida. (i can't believe that's the only baseball i'll get down here, time to get mlb.tv or something).
and i think the revenue sharing of $30 million is supposed to be used on payroll, not pocketing more cash (as in a soft salary floor). loria should be in huge trouble for this one, but he's not. that franchise is a total disgrace.
We can also argue that you still haven't accepted the fact that the Red Sox have won 2 of the last 4 WS.Yet you still continue to diminish the wins and put qualifiers with them,simply because it's not your beloved Yankees.
As a matter of fact,I'll argue that sliding needles under my fingernails is more enjoyable than listening to you argue your belabored points....
The argument was about home grown talent, not bought talent. If you are going strictly by home grown the Yankees did that in 96,98,99.2000. If you want to argue that everything since has been bought fine. But don't diminish what the Yankees did in the 90's. Compare that to how the Red Sox won they needed outside help. Don't deny that fact. I would say the Yankees did pretty well then compared to what teams are spending now and not getting any return. The Red Sox won 2, great. Lets see them do it without the big stars, wait they can't. They needed Beckett and Schilling. The Yankees had the best farm system in the late 90's and did not need any outside help.
to add on the whole marlins thing, one of the local talk show hosts is in an outrage right now. he's calling out the owners for being the worst ever, saying they don't care about the fans or winning.
he says that baseball, although a business and should make money, shouldn't be in it for the sole purpose of making money (this i agree with totally). because he's saying that loria and co. is simply pocketing as much money as possible from revenue sharing without spending any of it on trying to win. they don't care about winning or about how many fans that show up, because he already has the cash he wants. he's calling out mlb to remove loria or to do something about it, because he utterly doesn't care about anything expect making money. he also mentioned that 66 players make more money than the whole marlins payroll per year, loria's $20 million yale donation (so he could afford miguel and dontrelle, he just didn't want to lose his cash) and that he lives in new york. he's saying relocation is pretty much next, as they just want to squeeze every last cent out there, while losing 100 games. he also is hated by the marlins, so he took one more shot at them, saying that fredi (manager), is going to be in a total mess this year, and it's going to be worst team ever (south florida sports are going straight into the toilet).
he closed his ranting by saying that the relationship between the fans and owners are the worst he's ever seen (worse than the knicks), pretty much like a divorced couple who still live together. and he's going to have fun watching this joke of a team because he hates the marlins ownership and they hate him.
he says that baseball, although a business and should make money, shouldn't be in it for the sole purpose of making money (this i agree with totally). because he's saying that loria and co. is simply pocketing as much money as possible from revenue sharing without spending any of it on trying to win. they don't care about winning or about how many fans that show up, because he already has the cash he wants. he's calling out mlb to remove loria or to do something about it, because he utterly doesn't care about anything expect making money. he also mentioned that 66 players make more money than the whole marlins payroll per year, loria's $20 million yale donation (so he could afford miguel and dontrelle, he just didn't want to lose his cash) and that he lives in new york. he's saying relocation is pretty much next, as they just want to squeeze every last cent out there, while losing 100 games. he also is hated by the marlins, so he took one more shot at them, saying that fredi (manager), is going to be in a total mess this year, and it's going to be worst team ever (south florida sports are going straight into the toilet).
he closed his ranting by saying that the relationship between the fans and owners are the worst he's ever seen (worse than the knicks), pretty much like a divorced couple who still live together. and he's going to have fun watching this joke of a team because he hates the marlins ownership and they hate him.
I wonder what MLB can and will do, can they oust an owner for not spending enough. Or do they not have any say in the matter. Im sure the union could step in but on what grounds.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/12/05/santana.update/index.html
i'm starting to think that hanley ramirez should demand a trade to get out of that dumpy franchise, who has a yankee obsessed owner. and yes, he's still ranting.
And they've won how many WS since then??
If you're going to try and tell me that the Sox would have won the Series without Youk or Pedroia,try again
And before any before any of the Red Sox or Yankees haters chime in about trying to take over a thread....>>>>
Did you even bother to read anything I said.And they've won how many WS since then??
If you're going to try and tell me that the Sox would have won the Series without Youk or Pedroia,try again
I didn't say anything about the farm system after 2001 did I. It is better now but it is not what it once was.
No,I didn't...I usually tail off after the first few words or first sentence.I'm not into reading the rantings of a Yankee appologist/rump swab..
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Only in Australia.better watch out, some women might get offended by your signature
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Dodgers sign Andruw Jones reach an agreement on a 2-year, $36 million deal.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_y...PCsQF?slug=ap-dodgers-jones&prov=ap&type=lgns
That's some serious overpayage IMO.
Speaking of overpayage, the Giants are considering trading Tim Lincecum to the Blue Jays for Alex Rios. Rios is an impressive young hitter, but I'd have to say the Jays would be getting the better of this theoretical deal. Lincecum could be really special...
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_y...PCsQF?slug=ap-dodgers-jones&prov=ap&type=lgns
That's some serious overpayage IMO.
Speaking of overpayage, the Giants are considering trading Tim Lincecum to the Blue Jays for Alex Rios. Rios is an impressive young hitter, but I'd have to say the Jays would be getting the better of this theoretical deal. Lincecum could be really special...
The Andruw deal is an outstanding deal for a player with Boras as an agent. The most significant part of this contract is the length; only two years. Cuts the risk to a minimum, and Andruw could very well earn his $18 million while I doubt Hunter will even begin to earn his $18 million.
The Giants would get completely ripped off by that trade. Sad thing is that this trade is a very legitimate possibility with Sabean at the helm.
He wasn't at the top of my personal choice list, but I do believe we're going to like that gold glove in center instead of the rag arm of Pierre. Dollars aside, the two year deal is good for both Jones and the Dodgers. Jones is going to have a lot to prove over the next two years, and I look forward to him trying. But I am afraid this means that Kemp is expendable.
I agree that it's overpaying. And his decline in production the last couple years is troubling. But the short deal means they won't be paying for too long, and it gives Jones a lot of motivation because he'll be a free agent again in only two years.
I'm a little tired of hearing about all of Jones' GGs, since he clearly isn't as good in the field as he used to be. Having said that, he's still a far better fielder than He Who I Shall Not Name. Said player is now the expendable one, in my opinion, although Colletti would have to swallow a lot of pride to trade him. But yes, more likely that Kemp will be sent off, unfortunately. If they must trade a young outfielder, then I'm OK with losing Ethier if they get decent quality in return.