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You mean like Jeter did this post season?

His .136 avg, OBP and .353 OPS sure didn't get the job done in the post season.

You gonna call for his head too?

The truth that no yankee fan wants to hear is that Arod at short with any decent player at third is a better team than one with Jeter at short sporting his .970 fielding percentage and a range factor lower than Miguel Tejada's.

A career fielding percentage of .975 and a career range factor of 4.18 compared to ARod's (at SS) of .977 and .463 then add on Arod vastly superior offensive skill set.

So not only did Arod make more plays, he also got to more.

Man and I don't even like Arod.

But hey enjoy!

Why should I call for Jeter's head? I know what he can do and HAS done in the playoffs. 4 rings for the captain, none for the classless money grubber. You can throw stats at me all you want, I'm well aware of them. Is Arod one of the, if not, the most prolific player of all time? Yes. Is he a player that can perform in the post season in NY? No. Is he a money grubbing whore? Yes.
 
Defensively, I'd take Alex Gonzalez or Michael Young over either of them at SS anyway...
MacNut said:
Don't give Theo all the credit, He actually thought that Beckett and Lowell were bad trades.

And that's why he signed Beckett to an extension in the middle of last season?


On to Renteria. Looks like he gets another shot at the AL. I hope for the Tigers' sake he doesn't make 30 errors again.

I also wonder about Wakefield's shoulder. If it's bad enough, anyone think he might retire?
 
Why should I call for Jeter's head? I know what he can do and HAS done in the playoffs. 4 rings for the captain, none for the classless money grubber. You can throw stats at me all you want, I'm well aware of them. Is Arod one of the, if not, the most prolific player of all time? Yes. Is he a player that can perform in the post season in NY? No. Is he a money grubbing whore? Yes.

Heh Jeter is making $21.6 million has never won an MVP and probably never will and Arod is the money grubbing whore. I hope you kept the receipt.

And yeah I know what Jeter HAS done in the playoffs too.

And it wasn't 10 years ago or 5 years ago.

It was this month.

And he sucked.

Worse than ARod.
 
I also wonder about Wakefield's shoulder. If it's bad enough, anyone think he might retire?

He said in the post game he was going to be ready to go next year. I believe the Sox will pick up his $4 million option.

Also, about Curt Schilling. If you would have asked me a month ago I would have said don't re-sign him. But after his performances in the ALDS, ALCS Game 6, and the World Series I say lets do it. On his blog (38pitches.com) he said that he and his wife have decided that he's going to pitch one more year, and he would love to stay in Boston. He probably isn't worth the $13 million he made this year, but I'd say give him the 1 year contract worth about $10 million (maybe with a $1 mil bonus if the Sox win the WS again). It can't hurt.

It's likely that sometime during the year you're going to have a starter (probably Wakefield) go on the DL for some time, so having Schill would be great. That would give us 6 starters. Beckett, Matsuzaka, Lester, Buchholz, Wakefield, and Schilling. They could work something out where Schilling and Wakefield alternated starts or something, or even go with a six man rotation for part of the year. That way it would give you options if Schill or Wake (or any of the other guys) had to go on the DL for a couple of weeks. Since Schill only wants to play for one more year and he said he'd really like to stay in Boston, it would work.

As for Lowell, the Sox should offer him a solid contract of at least 3 years (maybe 4). I don't really see the problem of signing him until he's 36. He has the highest fielding percentage for a 3B in the history of MLB. He's just come off a career year where he completely revamped his strategy at the plate, where he's now hitting to all parts of the field instead of just trying to pull it. So he might not hit .324 again with 120 RBI, but he's still going to have a great year and there's nobody I'd rather have at 3B. Plus he's a great guy and a good leader in the clubhouse.

The other guy who's a free agent is Mike Timlin. I don't know if he's going to keep playing or if he's going to retire, but if he's going to keep playing I see no reason why we shouldn't give him another 1 year 2.8 million deal like he had this year. He proved that he's still more than capable with those two clutch strikeouts in Game 4 last night. If he wants to come back, bring him back because you can never have too much pitching.
 
Schilling might turn into a pumpkin like Clemans did, or he might pitch a few more good years. it is a gamble that I don't think the Red Sox will risk. I say they let him go.
 
He said in the post game he was going to be ready to go next year. I believe the Sox will pick up his $4 million option.

Also, about Curt Schilling. If you would have asked me a month ago I would have said don't re-sign him. But after his performances in the ALDS, ALCS Game 6, and the World Series I say lets do it. On his blog (38pitches.com) he said that he and his wife have decided that he's going to pitch one more year, and he would love to stay in Boston. He probably isn't worth the $13 million he made this year, but I'd say give him the 1 year contract worth about $10 million (maybe with a $1 mil bonus if the Sox win the WS again). It can't hurt.

It's likely that sometime during the year you're going to have a starter (probably Wakefield) go on the DL for some time, so having Schill would be great. That would give us 6 starters. Beckett, Matsuzaka, Lester, Buchholz, Wakefield, and Schilling. They could work something out where Schilling and Wakefield alternated starts or something, or even go with a six man rotation for part of the year. That way it would give you options if Schill or Wake (or any of the other guys) had to go on the DL for a couple of weeks. Since Schill only wants to play for one more year and he said he'd really like to stay in Boston, it would work.

As for Lowell, the Sox should offer him a solid contract of at least 3 years (maybe 4). I don't really see the problem of signing him until he's 36. He has the highest fielding percentage for a 3B in the history of MLB. He's just come off a career year where he completely revamped his strategy at the plate, where he's now hitting to all parts of the field instead of just trying to pull it. So he might not hit .324 again with 120 RBI, but he's still going to have a great year and there's nobody I'd rather have at 3B. Plus he's a great guy and a good leader in the clubhouse.

The other guy who's a free agent is Mike Timlin. I don't know if he's going to keep playing or if he's going to retire, but if he's going to keep playing I see no reason why we shouldn't give him another 1 year 2.8 million deal like he had this year. He proved that he's still more than capable with those two clutch strikeouts in Game 4 last night. If he wants to come back, bring him back because you can never have too much pitching.

I would be more concerned with A Rod's effect in the clubhouse. Wherever he goes,it seems to be an issue. What happens if he comes here and Pedroia or Youk have better numbers? Prima donnas have a hard time not being the center of attention..Manny is about all this town/team can handle in regard to drama queens..
In regard to his post season,yeah,it does matter..In his last three post seasons,he's gone 7 for 34 with with 1 RBI (that was a solo HR in the Indian's series this year)..I could care less what he does from April thru the end of September. And not for nothing,if he couldn't handle the media attention in NY,it's not going to be any better here..
Theo on Lowell after game 2:
“(Re-signing Lowell is) a priority for the offseason, and I’m sure we’ll be able to get something done,” Epstein said of his pending free agent. “We have a desire to keep him here a long time. He’s a core member of the organization. It’s just not the time to talk about that.”---
We'll see if anything comes of that.The market for corner infielders is slim to none..
Clement's money ($17 mil) comes off the books.My impression with Tavarez is that much of the value of picking up his option was to then trade him (like Sheffield last year) rather than keeping him around here.Sure its valuable to have a swing man (moreso in the regular season obviously, hence him being dropped from the rosters now) but the sense I've gotten is that esp to a NL team, a $4M potential starter would be a valuable trading chip. The example everyones pointing to now being Joel Pineiro's new contract. Obviously we're going to want to get a little more back this time!
If Schilling wants a 1 year deal at his present salary, re-signing him should be a no-brainer. This team is going to need at least 6 starters next season. As someone else said, re-signing Schilling minimizes the reliance on Tavarez.
Wakefield will do whatever is asked of him,just like he's done his whole career. Even it means going to the bullpen. For $4 mil,if his health is ok,that's a deal.
 
I would be more concerned with A Rod's effect in the clubhouse. Wherever he goes,it seems to be an issue. What happens if he comes here and Pedroia or Youk have better numbers? Prima donnas have a hard time not being the center of attention..Manny is about all this town/team can handle in regard to drama queens..
In regard to his post season,yeah,it does matter..In his last three post seasons,he's gone 7 for 34 with with 1 RBI (that was a solo HR in the Indian's series this year)..I could care less what he does from April thru the end of September. And not for nothing,if he couldn't handle the media attention in NY,it's not going to be any better here..
Theo on Lowell after game 2:
“(Re-signing Lowell is) a priority for the offseason, and I’m sure we’ll be able to get something done,” Epstein said of his pending free agent. “We have a desire to keep him here a long time. He’s a core member of the organization. It’s just not the time to talk about that.”---
We'll see if anything comes of that.The market for corner infielders is slim to none..
Clement's money ($17 mil) comes off the books.My impression with Tavarez is that much of the value of picking up his option was to then trade him (like Sheffield last year) rather than keeping him around here.Sure its valuable to have a swing man (moreso in the regular season obviously, hence him being dropped from the rosters now) but the sense I've gotten is that esp to a NL team, a $4M potential starter would be a valuable trading chip. The example everyones pointing to now being Joel Pineiro's new contract. Obviously we're going to want to get a little more back this time!
If Schilling wants a 1 year deal at his present salary, re-signing him should be a no-brainer. This team is going to need at least 6 starters next season. As someone else said, re-signing Schilling minimizes the reliance on Tavarez.
Wakefield will do whatever is asked of him,just like he's done his whole career. Even it means going to the bullpen. For $4 mil,if his health is ok,that's a deal.

Yeah Clement will be gone, and so will Gagne's $6 million

Yeah if we do re-sign Schill, Wake would probably go to the bullpen for at least part of the year. But having six decent starters would be great. Plus having the veteran presence of Schill and Wake in the clubhouse when you have young pitchers like Lester, Buchholz, Paps, and MDC would be great.

As for the other positions, I'm not sure what's going to happen with Hinske or Kielty, and Coco will probably be traded for a minor league prospect or two.

edit: ooh, just read this on SoSH:

Gehrig38 said:
It's not any different than it was at the beginning of the year. This is my first choice, I want a one year deal and it will be a deal that works for the team and myself. If it's other than Boston then the dollars will be a significant factor, along with the teams ability to contend, or field an incredibly talented blend of young players that are on the cusp of being very good. I would like to think a serious contender would be interested if Boston doesn't work out, but if for some reason that doesn't happen then I'd really like to be a part of a talented group of young up and coming pitchers that want to win.

So yeah, I think Schill will be back for one more season and then will retire as a member of the Sox.
 
NEW YORK -- Joe Girardi has agreed to a three-year contract to manage the New York Yankees.

The agreement to take over as Joe Torre's replacement is worth an average salary of at least $2 million annually, a baseball official said Tuesday, speaking on condition of anonymity because the team had not yet announced the deal.

Girardi was the 2006 NL Manager of the Year with Florida, plus he has a pinstriped pedigree. The hard-nosed catcher played on three Yankees teams that won the World Series, served as their bench coach and was a TV announcer this year.

"Joe Girardi is a good man," Torre said Monday on The Late Show with David Letterman. "He's got a feel for this organization."

Once he was informed Monday that the Yankees had chosen Girardi, Don Mattingly told the team he had no interest in returning next year as bench coach or in any other coaching position.

http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/story/10441056
 
Meanwhile...

Torre is talking to Dodgers

Sources say the team is in negotiations to bring the former Yankees manager to L.A. He says, 'There's nothing to any of it so far.'

October 30, 2007

The Dodgers are in negotiations with former Yankees manager Joe Torre to become their next manager, two major league baseball officials said Monday.

The hiring of Torre probably would result in the firing of Grady Little, contradicting Dodgers owner Frank McCourt's end-of-the-season declaration that Little would be back in the spring.

A third major league official said that a deal between Torre and the Dodgers wasn't imminent, something Torre himself seemed to hint at when appearing on CBS' "Late Show With David Letterman."

"There's nothing to any of it so far," Torre said.

Torre's agent, Maury Gostfrand, did not return messages left on his office and cell phones.

The Dodgers also remained silent on the status of their managerial position, as General Manager Ned Colletti didn't return phone calls for a fifth day in a row. McCourt was also unavailable.

Little could also not be reached.

Little is under contract for next season, but his option for 2009 hasn't been picked up. The team was 88-74 and won the National League wild card in his first season with the club in 2006.

But the Dodgers were 82-80 last season and finished fourth in the NL West in what Little said was the toughest year of his career because of tensions between the team's veteran and young players.

"What's been the most disappointing to me is that so many people, when things are going good, they're fine," Little said. "But then the very minute things turn sour, the real person comes out. That's what disappointed me the most."

McCourt stood behind Little and Colletti on the last day of the season, saying in a news conference that both would be back in 2008.

Asked why, McCourt pointed to what he called "core values" that he wanted to be the franchise's foundation -- he listed hard work, trust, integrity, respect, unselfishness and teamwork.

"I think they share the values I talked about repeatedly," McCourt said of Little and Colletti. "When we do have an opportunity to talk -- and we do talk as a group -- and we talk about the things I'm saying, I don't get a blank look. These gentlemen believe in what I've just articulated. At the end of the day, it takes people who are committed to one goal, which is winning. I think they share the same values and the same goal."

Torre and the Yankees parted ways Oct. 18 after Torre turned down an incentive-laden one-year, $5-million offer to return for his 13th season. The Yankees won four World Series titles and made the playoffs all 12 years he was the manager. He made $7.5 million last season.

The Yankees offered their managerial job on Monday to Joe Girardi, who reportedly had been approached by the Dodgers about a position with the club. The Dodgers were also quiet last week when asked about the reports linking them to Girardi.

A source told The Times that Girardi informed the Yankees that he had an offer for a current or future managing job with another team.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-joetorre30oct30,1,3045713.story
 
What about Joe Torre going to the Dodgers? And the rumors of Don Mattingly going with him?

Seriously, I would be very worried if that were to happen. I'm worried about Posada, Petitte, and Mariano as it is right now. If Torre AND Mattingly went to the Dodgers, I would absolutely be rooting for them.

As for Shilling going back to the Red Sox, I really don't see it happening. He had a great post season, but is it worth it? I don't think so.
 
The Yankees will be fine. Just like the Red Sox they have enough money to spend to make sure they will always be competitive.
 
New York just ran the best player in the major leagues out on a rail.

Wrong. You're obviously confusing the Yankees with Rodriguez's agent, whose greed is what drove Rodriguez out of NY.

Meanwhile: Just heard Torre WILL be managing the Dodgers next season....
 
Wrong. You're obviously confusing the Yankees with Rodriguez's agent, whose greed is what drove Rodriguez out of NY.

Meanwhile: Just heard Torre WILL be managing the Dodgers next season....
If it holds true, congrats to L.A. 'cause I think Torre's a good manager. On the other, I've not known greed to drive anyone out of NY. A better analogy would be that "like charges repel each other".
 
If Torre and Mattingly go to the Dodgers, I'll be rooting for them next year.

I don't get most Yankees fans. ARod single handedly drags the entire team into the playoffs, and still gets no respect. ANd because he didn't single handedly win every game in the playoffs, he sucks. Take ARod out of that lineup. Do the Yankees even make the playoffs? Of course not.

If he didn't hit a home run every at bat, he got booed. He wasn't a "true Yankee" like Jeter. ARod only moved to 3rd so the Captain wouldn't get his feelings hurt, which I've always felt was ridiculous.

Now, his greed drove him out. What did Clemens make last year, and what did he do again? For that matter, what did Jeter make, and what did he do?

Look at Torre. What the hell do you have to do in New York to get a pass? Besides be named Derek Jeter, of course.
 
Considering I'm a Yankees fan, yes, that is the only significance to me.

Believe it or not, the game of baseball is played west of the Hudson River.

If it holds true, congrats to L.A. 'cause I think Torre's a good manager. On the other, I've not known greed to drive anyone out of NY. A better analogy would be that "like charges repel each other".

Assuming this does come to pass, I think aloofman will have put it about right when he said that Torre needed more money to put up with the grief of managing in New York. For sure, he's not going to get $7 million to manage in LA.

If I'm Joe Torre, I'm also thinking about the Dodgers throwing Grady Little overboard after expressing confidence in him.
 
Players Choice awards

the player choice award winners were announced throughout the past week, and you can watch the announcements here.

for those of you who don't want to sit through the interviews, here are the winners.

Outstanding Pitcher

NL: Jake Peavy
AL: C.C. Sabathia

Outstanding Player

NL: Prince Fielder
AL: Alex Rodriguez

Outstanding Rookie

NL: Ryan Braun
AL: Dustin Pedroia

Comeback Player of the year

NL: Dmitri Young
AL: Carlos Pena

Player of the Year: Alex Rodriguez
Man of the Year: Torii Hunter
 
Don Mattingly being my favorite player of all time, if he went to the Dodgers I would follow the team a lot closer.
 
If I'm Joe Torre, I'm also thinking about the Dodgers throwing Grady Little overboard after expressing confidence in him.

McCourt doesn't get many points for loyalty, does he? The first red flag for me was when he fired DePodesta and Tracy separately in the same offseason, leaving the team rudderless during the free agent signing period. At the very least, McCourt needs to learn what PR is.

I wonder if this is a response to the local media criticism that the team has been getting since September. I also wonder if Torre would be the "star" signing that some have clamored for, in lieu of signing Rodriguez or Jones or whomever. Not that we need either of those players for the price they'll want. (I believe Andruw Jones is a Boras client too.)

Only in the last 24 hours have I ever pondered the possibility of Joe Torre or Don Mattingly wearing a Dodger uniform. If it happens, that will take some getting used to.
 
Only in the last 24 hours have I ever pondered the possibility of Joe Torre or Don Mattingly wearing a Dodger uniform. If it happens, that will take some getting used to.
Keep in mind that the Dodgers did draft Mattingly's son in 2006.
 
Believe it or not, the game of baseball is played west of the Hudson River.

Really? I had no clue!

I love how if a Yanks fan talks about the Yankees, they get blasted for it and get labeled. You know what? If I was born in Philadelphia and grew up there, I'd probably be a Phillies fan and follow everything they do. Same goes for any other town.

People need to stop hating Yankees fans. It's not my fault I grew up here and was raised following this team- Don Mattingly, in particular. Love the guy. Grew up watching him play.

Shoot me.

Don Mattingly being my favorite player of all time, if he went to the Dodgers I would follow the team a lot closer.


Same here. I would love to see the Dodgers get somewhere next year- sure would make those suits in NY look like the donkeys that they are.
 
People need to stop hating Yankees fans.

I don't hate Yankees fans. I hate when some of them act like every other team's success is a result of luck and only the Yankees' achievements are legitimate. That's not being a good fan, it's being a poor sport.
 
I don't hate Yankees fans. I hate when some of them act like every other team's success is a result of luck and only the Yankees' achievements are legitimate. That's not being a good fan, it's being a poor sport.
That pretty much sums up the scenario and my "queja". Thanks.
 
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