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I don't know what other team besides the Yankees that would offer A-Rod the money he wants. Unless he has other teams offering him a big deal it is a huge gamble that he wont see the contract like the Yankees were going to offer. It seems that Boras called the Yankees bluff and the Yankees are not going to play the game. Cashman just about said goodbye to A-Rod today so it seems like he will have to find the mega deal elsewhere.
 
Well you did say power-hitting outfielder. If the right person came along, I think shopping Pierre would be no problem. It's not like the Dodgers were the only team interested in him last year and it's not like he turned out to be a different player than the one the Dodgers signed. And it's also not like the salaries for free-agents are declining.

I think that depends on whether his production improves or not. If his batting average sinks even lower (or an injury hobbles him on the bases), then the Dodgers still will basically be paying to get rid of him. As far as I'm concerned, the Pierre contract is an albatross.

I don't know if Ethier has the range for center. Has he ever started in center?

I was actually just tossing Ethier's name out there semi-randomly, but I wouldn't be that worried about his range. Left field will be better-manned with Gonzalez gone. And Ethier has a good arm and better fly-ball judgment than Pierre does.



I'm certainly no Scott Boras fan (every Dodger free agent he represented last year signed with another team), but if "everybody thinks" that Boras violated the collusion rules then why didn't the Dodgers press the matter? They were seriously pissed off, so they had the motivation. Also, it's riskier to promise something to another team for a free agent, if only because the price of free agents is raised by the competitive bidding process and not by agreeing to sign with one team without making yourself available to the market. It's also a serious violation of the rules. Getting caught is also a risk.

It must be very hard to enforce. There are so many ways you could communicate with a free agent-to-be through intermediaries. I suppose Boras is still taking a bit of a risk, but I would be shocked if he doesn't have suitors lined up already.

I think people are taking his $400 million claim too literally. He always starts with a super-high price to make sure the final deal is merely huge. And like I said above, he really doesn't have to make a half-billion dollars for the opt-out to be worth the risk. He only needs a contract better than what was left on his old contract, which should be easy. Anything that increases his total compensation is a net win, and since he just had a huge year, that seems almost inevitable.





I don't know what other team besides the Yankees that would offer A-Rod the money he wants. Unless he has other teams offering him a big deal it is a huge gamble that he wont see the contract like the Yankees were going to offer. It seems that Boras called the Yankees bluff and the Yankees are not going to play the game. Cashman just about said goodbye to A-Rod today so it seems like he will have to find the mega deal elsewhere.

Baseball teams are flush with cash these days because there's record-high revenue. Seven years ago, Rodriguez scored a record contract from a team that was NOT the Yankees, so why wouldn't the same thing happen again?

The genius of free agency for the players is that there will always be owners that think they're one superstar away from winning the title.
 
Poor renteria...

In 2004 he's with St. Louis. Moves to Boston in 2005, the year after they win the WS. Cards win WS in 2006.

Leaves Boston and plays in ATL in 2006 and 2007.

In 2007, Boston wins WS.

I guess I should go put money down on Atlanta to win the WS in 2008.

true, but all of that was after he won the WS with Jim Leyland in 97.

Should be a good move for the Tigers,
 
I think that depends on whether his production improves or not. If his batting average sinks even lower (or an injury hobbles him on the bases), then the Dodgers still will basically be paying to get rid of him. As far as I'm concerned, the Pierre contract is an albatross.

Injuries are always a risk with long-term contracts, but that's why teams insure against them. Pierre hasn't exactly been fragile.

I was actually just tossing Ethier's name out there semi-randomly, but I wouldn't be that worried about his range. Left field will be better-manned with Gonzalez gone. And Ethier has a good arm and better fly-ball judgment than Pierre does.

Choosing from the available talent, I think Kemp would be a better candidate for center. Better arm and faster than Ethier.

It must be very hard to enforce. There are so many ways you could communicate with a free agent-to-be through intermediaries. I suppose Boras is still taking a bit of a risk, but I would be shocked if he doesn't have suitors lined up already.

I think people are taking his $400 million claim too literally. He always starts with a super-high price to make sure the final deal is merely huge. And like I said above, he really doesn't have to make a half-billion dollars for the opt-out to be worth the risk. He only needs a contract better than what was left on his old contract, which should be easy. Anything that increases his total compensation is a net win, and since he just had a huge year, that seems almost inevitable.

Granted Boston is the most likely team to spend the money Rodriquez would demand but that's only because the Yankees are presumably out of the bidding. I don't suppose it takes any outright collusion to know that.
 
The Yankee dynasty years were low payrolls, it wasn't until after that they starting to spend. With the brothers in charge now, maybe they will cut back. The Red Sox might start to get greedy now like the Yankees did.

What do you think is going to happen when the Yankees get their new stadium? The team is going to suddenly become value conscious?You think their payroll is high now,wait till the new stadium opens....
 
What do you think is going to happen when the Yankees get their new stadium? The team is going to suddenly become value conscious?You think their payroll is high now,wait till the new stadium opens....
If that was the case then they would of gone hard after A-Rod, The fact that they are letting him go means that they want to cut costs.

How much are the Red Sox willing to give Lowell to keep him around. Now we get to see what Theo is made of.
 
If that was the case then they would of gone hard after A-Rod, The fact that they are letting him go means that they want to cut costs.

How much are the Red Sox willing to give Lowell to keep him around. Now we get to see what Theo is made of.

With that revenue stream,they're going to suddenly become frugal? Maybe they just realized A Rod isn't/never was the answer...

More like how many years for Lowell...
 
If that was the case then they would of gone hard after A-Rod, The fact that they are letting him go means that they want to cut costs.

How much are the Red Sox willing to give Lowell to keep him around. Now we get to see what Theo is made of.

Actually, I think we've seen what Theo is made of...... he's put together two World Series champions. Quite a resume.

And I know this is not quite the right spot, but Congratulations to the Red Sox! They were the better team in the Series, and not by a small margin.

I think the Yankees are interested in at least containing costs, but given their published revenue streams they have a LOT more containment space than any other team. That said, I think the Yankees will be just fine without Rodriguez, and, perhaps, a better TEAM. Addition by subtraction, as many others have noted. Let's face it--the Yankees need to do some major culling of their roster, and this is a terrific opportunity they were not guaranteed to have.
 
I think the Yankees are interested in at least containing costs, but given their published revenue streams they have a LOT more containment space than any other team. That said, I think the Yankees will be just fine without Rodriguez, and, perhaps, a better TEAM. Addition by subtraction, as many others have noted. Let's face it--the Yankees need to do some major culling of their roster, and this is a terrific opportunity they were not guaranteed to have.

I don't see how losing a guy who won 1 mvp in 3 years and is a lock to win another this year helps in any way shape or form.

Arod *carried* the yankees this year and I think the yankees will miss him terribly.

Ohg sure they'll find someone other than Wilson Betemit to play third probably, but you don't lose 50+ HR, 150+ rbi, and 140+ runs and see no difference.

Not even adding a bat like miguel cabrera will get you those numbers.
 
I don't see how losing a guy who won 1 mvp in 3 years and is a lock to win another this year helps in any way shape or form

You ARE familiar with the term "team?" And with the idea that baseball is a team game?

Arod *carried* the yankees this year and I think the yankees will miss him terribly.

Oh[] sure they'll find someone other than Wilson Betemit to play third probably, but you don't lose 50+ HR, 150+ rbi, and 140+ runs and see no difference.

I did not say that they wouldn't miss his numbers--kindly point to where I wrote that? My point is that the Yankees have the potential to be a better team because there will not be so much attention paid to someone for his salary and production. While it is a cliche, the Yankees target the World Series and are one of the few teams for which that is realistic. But winning a Series depends on a lot more than having numbers. Now relieved from the drama that was Rodriguez, the Yankees can hopefully build better chemistry, spend the money on developing their young players (those already at the major league level and below), and identify and bring in new talent. And it's not like the Yankees haven't let other players go....

They also have an opportunity for some good PR for saying no to Boras. I only hope they stick to their guns and wave goodbye. And I don't mean that to suggest I dislike Rodriguez or that I don't appreciate what he has done on the field.
 
I'm going to laugh when nobody offers A-Rod the kind of money Boras thinks he can get. They're both *******s.
 
Actually, I think we've seen what Theo is made of...... he's put together two World Series champions. Quite a resume.
Don't give Theo all the credit, He actually thought that Beckett and Lowell were bad trades. That was ownership that made those deals. Theo has made some bone headed moves in his tenure. He also got lucky with a few but I think any GM would of made the same decisions. Not to say that Cashman made the best decisions either.
 
Don't give Theo all the credit, He actually thought that Beckett and Lowell were bad trades. That was ownership that made those deals. Theo has made some bone headed moves in his tenure. He also got lucky with a few but I think any GM would of made the same decisions. Not to say that Cashman made the best decisions either.

Oh please..For cripe's sake just stop will you:rolleyes: So I suppose it was Theo's "luck" that made him trade Nomar for Cabrera in July of 04? And yeah, getting Foulke and Schilling (without either of the two we probably wouldn't have won in 04.Foulke was arguably the MVP of the Series) was just dumb luck?? He pushed for all those moves. Sure he's had some bad ones,but the good ones more than make up for them..You sound like more and more of a tool with every post you make..
You still can't get over the fact that the Yankees are looking up at the Sox...
 
Don't give Theo all the credit. . .

I'm not. Just pointing out that if you're going to say now we find out what Theo is made of, you have to credit the decisions he's made. Because he is the principal architect of the Sox as they are now constructed.

Besides, with as much money as will likely be involved, it won't be just his call on Rodriguez (if the Sox are even interested).
 
I'm not. Just pointing out that if you're going to say now we find out what Theo is made of, you have to credit the decisions he's made. Because he is the principal architect of the Sox as they are now constructed.

Besides, with as much money as will likely be involved, it won't be just his call on Rodriguez (if the Sox are even interested).
I don't see the Sox going after A-Rod, they would spend the money on more young talent.

You could argue that the biggest moves were made when Theo left the team for a few weeks.
 
You could argue that the biggest moves were made when Theo left the team for a few weeks.

One could argue that:
a. You've lost touch with reality
b. You haven't had your medication
c. You still deny that the Yankees are lookin UP at the Red Sox
d. all of the above
 
One could argue that:
a. You've lost touch with reality
b. You haven't had your medication
c. You still deny that the Yankees are lookin UP at the Red Sox
d. all of the above
All Im saying and you are getting all offended is that Theo DID NOT sign Beckett or Lowell. In fact he hated the deal. And those 2 players are the only reason you won the World Series.

Do I like the fact that the Red Sox won, no of course I don't, what Yankee fan was cheering last night. Yes the Yankees are looking up at the moment, but that doesn't mean that they are dead in the water as you love to put it. Next year will be very interesting and I expect the Yankees to contend.
 
All Im saying and you are getting all offended is that Theo DID NOT sign Beckett or Lowell. In fact he hated the deal. And those 2 players are the only reason you won the World Series.

Papelbon (who could have been MVP),Ellsbury,Pedroia and Youkilis had nothing to do with the Serie's win?Wow, now that's rich.....
 
You ARE familiar with the term "team?" And with the idea that baseball is a team game?



I did not say that they wouldn't miss his numbers--kindly point to where I wrote that? My point is that the Yankees have the potential to be a better team because there will not be so much attention paid to someone for his salary and production. While it is a cliche, the Yankees target the World Series and are one of the few teams for which that is realistic. But winning a Series depends on a lot more than having numbers. Now relieved from the drama that was Rodriguez, the Yankees can hopefully build better chemistry, spend the money on developing their young players (those already at the major league level and below), and identify and bring in new talent. And it's not like the Yankees haven't let other players go....

They also have an opportunity for some good PR for saying no to Boras. I only hope they stick to their guns and wave goodbye. And I don't mean that to suggest I dislike Rodriguez or that I don't appreciate what he has done on the field.

Better chemistry?

New York just ran the best player in the major leagues out on a rail.

If I'm a kid coming up in the system, I'm thinking, damn look what they did to an MVP, I better not screw up.

The only reason anyone is going to come to NY now is purely for the money.

At least in the past there was the idea that you could sign up and win a world series.

Now that illusion is dead. Poor mike mussina. Could have stayed in Baltimore and won the same number of rings.

I've seen this all before. It's vintage 1980s yankees all over again.

The only thing missing is Ed Whitson and Rick Rhoden.
 
Arod was never happy in NY, he does not have a good playoff record. His contract will suck the team dry. He is not a team player but only cares about himself. He is a young version of Barry Bonds, only cares about the records. Yes the Yankees will miss his numbers but they did it without him before and they can do it again.

The Yankees did not run him out of town he wanted out. If he wanted to stay he would of worked out a deal.

As for the Red Sox if it wasn't for Lowell and Beckett they would not of even made it to the World Series.
 
I hope MLB fines Boras and A-Rod for leaking that **** during the WS

I agree. It's really a shame that that announcement was more important that the World Series. (Regardless of who's playing)

The Yankees have offered the Manager job to Girardi.

Boo yea! Told you.

It's now official. The George Steinbrenner era is over. Mattingly was always his guy and didn't get the job.

Thank friggin god it's over. I have been getting so sick and tired of Steinbrenner.

I think its best for the team that George wont be as hands on. I just hope the brothers don't let it all fall apart.

Agreed. George needs to leave completely though.

With that revenue stream,they're going to suddenly become frugal? Maybe they just realized A Rod isn't/never was the answer...

More like how many years for Lowell...

I agree. Expect both the Sox and Yanks to throw plenty of money at him (at the right number of years.... I'm thinking 4)

New York just ran the best player in the major leagues out on a rail.

Are you saying the Yanks ran him out? The media? The fans? All three? Or is it maybe that Arod can't handle the pressure and is only after money and personal stats? My bet is on the last one.
 
Are you saying the Yanks ran him out? The media? The fans? All three? Or is it maybe that Arod can't handle the pressure and is only after money and personal stats? My bet is on the last one.

All of the above.

He single handedly kept the yankees from oblivion in the first half winning game after game with late inning home runs and rbi.

He had 30 HR and 86 RBI in the first half of the season, when the yankees were no better than a .500 team.

They gave up 393 runs and scored 494.

Arod either drove in or scored 165 of those 494 runs, or roughly 33% of the yankees first half runs went through ARod.

Second half was 384 runs against, 504 runs for the yankees. and they went 51-25.

Arod scored or batted in 134 runs out of 504, or roughly 27% of the offense went through Arod in the 2nd half.

I don't care if this guy is Albert Belle with rabies. That's the kind of production you go above and beyond to keep in your lineup.
 
Yes, he did carry the Yankees during the Regular Season. We all know that you have to be able to produce in both RS and Post Season and Arod can only do it in the RS.

If you want him you can have him and his $30 mil/yr salary. Team player my ass. If the Yankees resign him, I ain't watching them until his contract is up.
 
Yes, he did carry the Yankees during the Regular Season. We all know that you have to be able to produce in both RS and Post Season and Arod can only do it in the RS.

If you want him you can have him and his $30 mil/yr salary. Team player my ass. If the Yankees resign him, I ain't watching them until his contract is up.
I hope the Yankees stick to their word and don't negotiate with him. Let Arod go off and be the leader of some other team. If he wanted to be a Yankee he would of negotiated and not opted out. Good riddance I say.
 
Yes, he did carry the Yankees during the Regular Season. We all know that you have to be able to produce in both RS and Post Season and Arod can only do it in the RS.

If you want him you can have him and his $30 mil/yr salary. Team player my ass. If the Yankees resign him, I ain't watching them until his contract is up.

You mean like Jeter did this post season?

His .136 avg, OBP and .353 OPS sure didn't get the job done in the post season.

You gonna call for his head too?

The truth that no yankee fan wants to hear is that Arod at short with any decent player at third is a better team than one with Jeter at short sporting his .970 fielding percentage and a range factor lower than Miguel Tejada's.

A career fielding percentage of .975 and a career range factor of 4.18 compared to ARod's (at SS) of .977 and .463 then add on Arod vastly superior offensive skill set.

So not only did Arod make more plays, he also got to more.

Man and I don't even like Arod.

But hey enjoy!
 
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