MLB Hotstove 08

The Yankees need Mattingly, he is the most favorite Yankee of all time, if they don't give him the job he will walk away. The Yankees have bad enough PR as it is.
 
MacNut said:
The Yankees need Mattingly, he is the most favorite Yankee of all time, if they don't give him the job he will walk away. The Yankees have bad enough PR as it is.
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I couldn't careless about Mattingly. He was a great player, he ain't management material though. Like I said, the sooner we can stop sucking his d**k the sooner we can all move on and make the proper decisions for the organization.
 
Hopefully the Yanks keep their word and don't go after Arod. I would hav eliked to keep him if he DID NOT opt out- now I don't want him at all. And the balls to make that announcement DURING the world series. What a toad.

I also like his reasoning for opting out- because he didn't know what Posada, Mariano, and Petitte were doing. Right. Ass.

As for Girardi or Mattingly- I don't know on that one. Mattingly is one of my favorite Yanks of all time, but I don't know what his management potential is. I also don't know if anyone will respond to Girardi.

As for Santana- please, for the love of God, do not trade ANY pitchers for him. We havesome great young pitchers- Joba, Hughes, Kennedy. Don't make the same mistakes you have in the past. Please keep these young guys.
 
IJ Reilly said:
The Dodger tradition has really suffered in recent years. The Fox ownership was a disaster, from which the franchise is still recovering. But yes, I expect the club to be an important hot stove participant. They've got a big hole at third and probably two positions in the rotation to fill, with nobody obvious coming up who can jump into them. All the other positions are pretty well nailed down, though they might be willing to part with Ethier or Kemp if the opportunity to sign a really big veteran bat comes along.
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I fully expect them to overpay for someone, for better or worse. Maybe what bothers me most at this point is how the horrible Pierre signing has tied their hands when it comes to signing an outfielder with power. Pierre makes too much money to bench him, but he clearly is a waste of a lineup spot.



IJ Reilly said:
This Torre business can only make sense to people in New York. To the rest of the baseball world, it's just bizarre. Torre says he's prepared to retire, but to stay, he needs twice as much money as anybody else in the game. Any lesser offer is just an insult to his... what? Greed?
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I read it as a response to the crap Torre has had to put up with. No other manager in the game has his job threatened every time his team has a slump. I interpreted it as stubbornness developed from dealing with Steinbrenner for so long. I think he just told them that if they want him to put up with this crap anymore, they'll have to overpay him even more.



MacNut said:
If that is the case expect the Yankees to go after Lowell hard in the off season.

It will be a dumb move by Arod as no other team will be able to give him that big a contract. Boras is maybe the worst agent ever not putting the best of his players ahead of his own agendas.
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Actually Boras is one of the most successful agents of all time. Many of the richest star players are his clients and he's proven he can get them the biggest contract possible. His agenda is enriching his clients and he does that well. It's how it affects the rest of baseball that makes him enemies.

The way I see it, Rodriguez's opt-out is worth it to him if he scores a contract that's richer and longer than what's left on his current one. He's taking advantage of his monster year and using the leverage from the Yankees turmoil. I'm not saying it's honorable, just that from the perspective of Rodriguez and Boras, it's the smart thing to do.
 
The Red Sox are probably too smart to sign A-Rod--he'd take WAY too much money and that would hurt their ability to lock up their young players. Besides, has A-Rod EVER been about winning or is he just about himself? I think the latter. My first thought is that he'll end up in Anaheim--they need the hitting and the publicity, and he won't be examined nearly as closely as he was in NY.
 
aloofman said:
I fully expect them to overpay for someone, for better or worse. Maybe what bothers me most at this point is how the horrible Pierre signing has tied their hands when it comes to signing an outfielder with power. Pierre makes too much money to bench him, but he clearly is a waste of a lineup spot.
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Clearly I'm not as down on Pierre are you are, but the simple fact remains that power-hitting center fielders are a rare commodity. If one suddenly appeared, either out of the farm system or free-agency, I have little doubt that the Dodgers would find a way to move Pierre. An experienced outfielder who can hit .300 and steal 60 bases has value to many teams, rag arm or otherwise. Not that it really matters, because to my knowledge the power-hiting center fielder of our dreams is nowhere to be found.

I read it as a response to the crap Torre has had to put up with. No other manager in the game has his job threatened every time his team has a slump. I interpreted it as stubbornness developed from dealing with Steinbrenner for so long. I think he just told them that if they want him to put up with this crap anymore, they'll have to overpay him even more.
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I suspect so. But we'll find out if this is really the case when and if Torre signs with somebody else. I'm hearing rumors that the Dodgers are interested, but it's hard to take them seriously.
 
I can't see the Orioles shopping Bedard:
Nick Cafardo expects the Orioles to shop Miguel Tejada this winter, which would surprise no one. But he's also hearing that Erik Bedard could be available. Trades of either might be unpopular with the fanbase. The trade market for starters could be hopping if Johan Santana, Bedard, and C.C. Sabathia are made available.

Per the NY Post:
This, obviously, is a major hit. Perhaps devastating when you consider how this period is playing out. It is possible that in one offseason the Yanks could lose such meaningful pieces of their history as Joe Torre, Don Mattingly (if, as expected, Joe Girardi is named manager), Ron Guidry, Rivera, Posada, Pettitte and A-Rod. All while having it accentuated that the Red Sox are now ahead in the Rivalry - perhaps way ahead.

Just heard on EEI that the Dodgers are negotiating to buy out Grady's contract to get Torre in..Any truth to this??
 
fotografica said:
I can't see the Orioles shopping Bedard:
Nick Cafardo expects the Orioles to shop Miguel Tejada this winter, which would surprise no one. But he's also hearing that Erik Bedard could be available. Trades of either might be unpopular with the fanbase. The trade market for starters could be hopping if Johan Santana, Bedard, and C.C. Sabathia are made available.

Per the NY Post:
This, obviously, is a major hit. Perhaps devastating when you consider how this period is playing out. It is possible that in one offseason the Yanks could lose such meaningful pieces of their history as Joe Torre, Don Mattingly (if, as expected, Joe Girardi is named manager), Ron Guidry, Rivera, Posada, Pettitte and A-Rod. All while having it accentuated that the Red Sox are now ahead in the Rivalry - perhaps way ahead.

Just heard on EEI that the Dodgers are negotiating to buy out Grady's contract to get Torre in..Any truth to this??
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The Boston Globe is reporting that Bedard might be shopped. It's crap.

I can certainly see other teams asking for him, but there's no way they give him up.

He's signed for $3.4 million which is a bargain and he isn't due for free agency til after the 2009 season.

I could possibly see moving him after next season before his walk year if the O's cannot give him the salary he is asking for. But in 2008 for $3.4 million they won't find a better deal in baseball.

Tejada I can see, but the problem there is that his value has plummeted.

Girardi in pinstripes again...I give that 3 Meh's out of 5. Won't make any difference but the Yankees have a new manager to blame for not winning with a $200+ million payroll.

Will be fun to watch what Rivera, Posada, and Pettitte do now.

Aaaaand nice. Now Mattingly is gone.

Well done Yankees. At least now I officially have no reason to care about them in any way.
 
IJ Reilly said:
Clearly I'm not as down on Pierre are you are, but the simple fact remains that power-hitting center fielders are a rare commodity. If one suddenly appeared, either out of the farm system or free-agency, I have little doubt that the Dodgers would find a way to move Pierre. An experienced outfielder who can hit .300 and steal 60 bases has value to many teams, rag arm or otherwise. Not that it really matters, because to my knowledge the power-hiting center fielder of our dreams is nowhere to be found.
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I've never expected them to get a power-hitting center fielder. But a player like Pierre with no power OR plate discipline has to have a very high batting average or really great defense (Ichiro, for example) to justify keeping him in the lineup. He gets caught stealing quite often, gives up extra bases because he can't throw, and he regularly leads the league in outs made. I'd happily put Ethier in center if I could.

IJ Reilly said:
I suspect so. But we'll find out if this is really the case when and if Torre signs with somebody else. I'm hearing rumors that the Dodgers are interested, but it's hard to take them seriously.
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Agreed. As successful as Torre has been, I can't help but think that his abilities are uniquely suited to the Yankees and less so to other teams. And the Dodgers' problems really aren't going to be solved directly by changing managers. They need young players to continue to move up into starting roles to replace the vets, and for everyone to stay healthy.

fotografica said:
Just heard on EEI that the Dodgers are negotiating to buy out Grady's contract to get Torre in..Any truth to this??
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The local media here hasn't given these rumors much credibility, so I'm skeptical right now. Around here people are much more fixated on whether Kobe gets traded. :rolleyes:
 
The rumors are that Boras has already lined up a team for A-Rod just like he did with Drew before opting out. People seem to think that A-Rod will go to the Angels.
 
MacNut said:
The rumors are that Boras has already lined up a team for A-Rod just like he did with Drew before opting out. People seem to think that A-Rod will go to the Angels.
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The angels are a silly fit, even though they need a 3B.

ARod needs to go back to Short stop where he belongs before that silly ill-fated trip to new york moved him to 3rd.

He was and is a better fielding short stop than jeter ever was and would be better than O. Cabrera too.
 
i'm glad about girardi. i liked him as marlin manager back in 2006 before the loudmouth loria and his midget stepson samson outed him and whined and complained about him. now girardi is manager of the yankees and those two have a mess of a team. and one of the local people just suggested that miggy cabrera will be going to the yankees.

and if i was a boras client, i would be concerned that he's cuddling arod like t.o.'s agent did to owens.
 
rdowns said:
It's now official. The George Steinbrenner era is over. Mattingly was always his guy and didn't get the job.
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I think its best for the team that George wont be as hands on. I just hope the brothers don't let it all fall apart.

So now the Yankees are the old Red Sox and the Red Sox are the old Yankees. Can the Yankees rebuild the right way and will the Red Sox collapse on their own weight.
 
aloofman said:
I've never expected them to get a power-hitting center fielder. But a player like Pierre with no power OR plate discipline has to have a very high batting average or really great defense (Ichiro, for example) to justify keeping him in the lineup. He gets caught stealing quite often, gives up extra bases because he can't throw, and he regularly leads the league in outs made. I'd happily put Ethier in center if I could.
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Well you did say power-hitting outfielder. If the right person came along, I think shopping Pierre would be no problem. It's not like the Dodgers were the only team interested in him last year and it's not like he turned out to be a different player than the one the Dodgers signed. And it's also not like the salaries for free-agents are declining.

I don't know if Ethier has the range for center. Has he ever started in center?

Agreed. As successful as Torre has been, I can't help but think that his abilities are uniquely suited to the Yankees and less so to other teams. And the Dodgers' problems really aren't going to be solved directly by changing managers. They need young players to continue to move up into starting roles to replace the vets, and for everyone to stay healthy.
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I guess this is one of the real differences between Boston, New York, and the rest of the baseball nation. We're not calling for Grady Little's head. Put some tools in the man's belt and he'll do some winning for us.

MacNut said:
The rumors are that Boras has already lined up a team for A-Rod just like he did with Drew before opting out.
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That would be a big-time rules violation.
 
MacNut said:
I think its best for the team that George wont be as hands on. I just hope the brothers don't let it all fall apart.

So now the Yankees are the old Red Sox and the Red Sox are the old Yankees. Can the Yankees rebuild the right way and will the Red Sox collapse on their own weight.
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Let's wait for the Red Sox to pass the yanks in salary, then maybe we can call it a flip flop in roles.

A $50 million difference buys the entire Red Sox pitching staff with money to spare, so let's keep things in perspective.
 
When has Boras played by the rules. Everyone thinks that Boras was in talks with the Red Sox about Drew. He would not pull A-Rod out of NY unless he has something planned. To much risk there.

The Yankee dynasty years were low payrolls, it wasn't until after that they starting to spend. With the brothers in charge now, maybe they will cut back. The Red Sox might start to get greedy now like the Yankees did.
 
MacNut said:
When has Boras played by the rules. Everyone thinks that Boras was in talks with the Red Sox about Drew. He would not pull A-Rod out of NY unless he has something planned. To much risk there.
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I'm certainly no Scott Boras fan (every Dodger free agent he represented last year signed with another team), but if "everybody thinks" that Boras violated the collusion rules then why didn't the Dodgers press the matter? They were seriously pissed off, so they had the motivation. Also, it's riskier to promise something to another team for a free agent, if only because the price of free agents is raised by the competitive bidding process and not by agreeing to sign with one team without making yourself available to the market. It's also a serious violation of the rules. Getting caught is also a risk.
 
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