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MLB Hotstove 08

iKwick7 said:
Really? I had no clue!

I love how if a Yanks fan talks about the Yankees, they get blasted for it and get labeled. You know what? If I was born in Philadelphia and grew up there, I'd probably be a Phillies fan and follow everything they do. Same goes for any other town.

People need to stop hating Yankees fans. It's not my fault I grew up here and was raised following this team- Don Mattingly, in particular. Love the guy. Grew up watching him play.

Shoot me.
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Yankee fans can talk about their team as much as they like. What gripes me, and other baseball fans, is when they act like nothing else in baseball really matters. I grew up in New Jersey, so I know the drill. It's one of the constants in the game. This attitude hasn't really changed much from the early '60s at least when all those smug, overbearing Yankee fans made a Mets fan out of me.
 
aloofman said:
I don't hate Yankees fans. I hate when some of them act like every other team's success is a result of luck and only the Yankees' achievements are legitimate. That's not being a good fan, it's being a poor sport.
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Then please specify who you ARE referring to, and stop including those Yankee fans who actually understand all that.

Otherwise you're just being a poor sport. ;)
 
I grew up in the 80's being a Yankee fan back when they sucked. I grew up watching Don Mattingly, maybe the only reason I watched the Yankees. When the Yankees started to get good in the mid 90's I was thrilled. Like it or not but when the Yankees won 3 in a row they were the only thing in town. And like it or not but the Yankees have had the most success then any other team in existence, if that isn't a reason for a Yankee fan to be cocky about their team then what is. Yankee fans are a different breed of fan, But its not like the team has always sucked and the fans are just cocky for the sake of it. They expect to win all the time, they won't always but that is no reason for other fans to get pissed off. It is what it is and it won't change.
 
aloofman said:
McCourt doesn't get many points for loyalty, does he? The first red flag for me was when he fired DePodesta and Tracy separately in the same offseason, leaving the team rudderless during the free agent signing period. At the very least, McCourt needs to learn what PR is.

I wonder if this is a response to the local media criticism that the team has been getting since September. I also wonder if Torre would be the "star" signing that some have clamored for, in lieu of signing Rodriguez or Jones or whomever. Not that we need either of those players for the price they'll want. (I believe Andruw Jones is a Boras client too.)

Only in the last 24 hours have I ever pondered the possibility of Joe Torre or Don Mattingly wearing a Dodger uniform. If it happens, that will take some getting used to.
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Not just media criticism, but fan criticism. I don't think most fans see Grady Little as the problem, but the front office seems to need someone to blame and it might has well be him. Clearly, they also need to make some dramatic changes. If they can't sign the perfect big-ticket free agent, at least they can hire a rock star manager. I have a feeling that this may be the thinking, in part.

The other issue is the players themselves. That round of public recriminations between Kent and some of the young players at the end of the season is an event which should never have happened. It may be seen to have been Little's fault, and it might have been in part. (Hard to imagine anything like this happening under Tommy Lasorda's watch.) It was already going to be tough for Little to put the Humpty-Dumpty Dodgers back together again. Now, with all the speculation over his replacement (none of which has been denied by the front office), if he does stay, his hand has been considerably weakened. In sum, if the Dodger don't sign Torre now, the team's troubles are only compounded. Little's replacement with Torre is quickly becoming a fait accompli. That's no way to run a baseball team.
 
Naimfan said:
Then please specify who you ARE referring to, and stop including those Yankee fans who actually understand all that.

Otherwise you're just being a poor sport. ;)
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We all know who he's talking about on here. I don't think we need to name any names. :p
 
zioxide said:
We all know who he's talking about on here. I don't think we need to name any names. :p
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I have no idea who he's talking about. So perhaps he SHOULD name names.

Sheesh, can't even address someone directly anymore?
 
zioxide said:
We all know who he's talking about on here. I don't think we need to name any names. :p
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For the record, I sat through the horrible years of the Yankees. Then the great years. I would rather the great years continue and not have a 15 year drought again.
 
MacNut said:
It is what it is and it won't change.
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No kidding. As I said, this attitude been a constant for as long as I've been a baseball fan, which is over 40 years now, and I know it goes back even further. So for as long as Yankee fans continue to advertise themselves as being something special, then they should expect to get static about that attitude from the rest of baseball fandom. That is what that is, and it won't change either. ;)
 
IJ Reilly said:
Yankee fans can talk about their team as much as they like. What gripes me, and other baseball fans, is when they act like nothing else in baseball really matters. I grew up in New Jersey, so I know the drill. It's one of the constants in the game. This attitude hasn't really changed much from the early '60s at least when all those smug, overbearing Yankee fans made a Mets fan out of me.
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Fair enough. But then don't drop comments about "baseball being played to the west of the Hudson River" when all someone says is that it looks like the Doggers picked up Torre and possibly Mattingly.

edit: man I suck at typing sometimes
 
IJ Reilly said:
No kidding. As I said, this attitude been a constant for as long as I've been a baseball fan, which is over 40 years now, and I know it goes back even further. So for as long as Yankee fans continue to advertise themselves as being something special, then they should expect to get static about that attitude from the rest of baseball fandom. That is what that is, and it won't change either. ;)
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But you also can't argue the history the Yankees have had and the impact they have made on the game the past 100 years. Like it or not but they are bigger then baseball in many ways.
 
aloofman said:
I don't hate Yankees fans. I hate when some of them act like every other team's success is a result of luck and only the Yankees' achievements are legitimate. That's not being a good fan, it's being a poor sport.
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The NYY fans with the attitude you dislike are a ridiculously small minority. All fan bases have them.
 
Redline13 said:
The NYY fans with the attitude you dislike are a ridiculously small minority. All fan bases have them.
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I think its 50/50 with Yankee fans. Im sure the numbers are similar for Red Sox fans, and all fans in general.
 
MacNut said:
For the record, I sat through the horrible years of the Yankees. Then the great years. I would rather the great years continue and not have a 15 year drought again.
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That's not what I was talking about. I was talking about you trying to discredit the Red Sox wins. One week you were saying the Rockies were awesome and they were going to win, and the next week "the Rockies suck and the Red Sox didn't really have to beat anyone."

If the Rockies (or if the Yankees had made it) and won, I would have congratulated them, not tried to discredit their win.

Also, as far as waiting 15 years for a championship, be thankful you're not a Cubs fan.
 
zioxide said:
That's not what I was talking about. I was talking about you trying to discredit the Red Sox wins. One week you were saying the Rockies were awesome and they were going to win, and the next week "the Rockies suck and the Red Sox didn't really have to beat anyone."

If the Rockies (or if the Yankees had made it) and won, I would have congratulated them, not tried to discredit their win.

Also, as far as waiting 15 years for a championship, be thankful you're not a Cubs fan.
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I do think the Red Sox got lucky with good pitching at the right time and other teams collapsing at the right time. Eventually I will congratulate the Sox, Im just not ready to do it yet.

As for the Cubs, I think they really are cursed.
 
Redline13 said:
The NYY fans with the attitude you dislike are a ridiculously small minority. All fan bases have them.
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Yes they do. That doesn't make it either right or excusable.

Regionalism in baseball fans is a funny thing. Well, sometimes it's not all that funny. Those of you who grew up in Jersey or NY City, L.A., the Bay Area, Cincinnati, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Houston, Baltimore, etc., naturally have a regional fan-slant on the game, just as I would having grown up in the St. Louis area and a Cardinals fan.

To me, the issue becomes unpleasant among baseball aficionados when the dialogue, mutual respect and love of the game get colored and tainted by innuendo or just plain blatant aires of elitist superiority which are, without humility or recognition of any blind spot, projected upon informed baseball fans in this forum. This erodes the will of that class of fan to participate or return since those who continue to bash demonstrate neither sensitivity nor intent to accommodate change in their demeanor.

I'm genuinely happy for Boston's second World Series Championship in 4 years, and as a die-hard STL fan, I can appreciate and join in the celebration of achievement and excellence of both team and fans who have been through a huge drought of success. Why others either will not or cannot, only they can explain. But I've yet to read any intelligent and open explanation.
 
MacNut said:
I think its 50/50 with Yankee fans. Im sure the numbers are similar for Red Sox fans, and all fans in general.
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i think the problem is that a lot of these "fans" arent really fans- just people that like the yankees because they win. These arent real fans have only been around since the late 90's. I hate these people as well.

I guess thats a problem with big city teams. Some people just like a team because everyone around them does.
 
I was just reading this on Sportsline:

You know what's going to be awesome and unite RSN and Yankees fans for one day next year? The All-star game. A-Rod will be coming back to NY to play in the game, and we can all unite in booing his ass out of New York.

hahaha
 
Redline13 said:
Please let me offer my condolences. ;)
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And this was in the mid-60s. Back in those days you really had to love baseball to love the Mets. They turned incompetence into an art form!

zioxide said:
Also, as far as waiting 15 years for a championship, be thankful you're not a Cubs fan.
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Or a Dodger fan. It'll be 20 years of drought for us, unless something big happens next season.

Tommy Lasorda was quoted in the paper the other day (on the occasion of his 80th birthday) saying that he told the Big Dodger in the Sky that he was planning on living long enough to see another Dodger world championship. Long life to you Tommy, but I hope you don't have to make it to 100.
 
xsedrinam said:
To me, the issue becomes unpleasant among baseball aficionados when the dialogue, mutual respect and love of the game get colored and tainted by innuendo or just plain blatant aires of elitist superiority which are, without humility or recognition of any blind spot, projected upon informed baseball fans in this forum. This erodes the will of that class of fan to participate or return since those who continue to bash demonstrate neither sensitivity nor intent to accommodate change in their demeanor.
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That's perfect. Thank you.
 
iKwick7 said:
i think the problem is that a lot of these "fans" arent really fans- just people that like the yankees because they win. These arent real fans have only been around since the late 90's. I hate these people as well.

I guess thats a problem with big city teams. Some people just like a team because everyone around them does.
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You mean the "pink hat people"?We have those here in Boston. They got on board after 04.The morning after the Sox won,they were out buying up all kinds of gear..Funny thing is,none of them bothered to tune in when the Sox were down 0-3 to the Yankees.They jumped on board going into game 7 and rode it to the Series.They're not fans by any stretch.They think a "hit and run" is a car accident...
 
fotografica said:
They're not fans by any stretch.They think a "hit and run" is a car accident...
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Well it turned out that way for the Indians.:p
zioxide said:
I was just reading this on Sportsline:

You know what's going to be awesome and unite RSN and Yankees fans for one day next year? The All-star game. A-Rod will be coming back to NY to play in the game, and we can all unite in booing his ass out of New York.

hahaha
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I was just thinking this, Would A-Rod skip the all star game next year.
 
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