FTP is insecure. You should be happy they don't offer it. It isn't required either since every OS out there supports SMB at this point, although I don't know what protocols iCloud uses. If it's only Apple products, then probably AFP.
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MobileMe to iCloud Transition Gives You 25GB Storage Until June 30th, 2012
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FTP is insecure. You should be happy they don't offer it. It isn't required either since every OS out there supports SMB at this point, although I don't know what protocols iCloud uses. If it's only Apple products, then probably AFP.
Documents in the Cloud: EXACTLY what I've been looking for
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...d_apples_new_documentsdata_cloud_service.html
How iCloud's Documents & Data feature works
Apple outlined publically in general terms what Documents & Data does: it propagates changes made to a file on one device across every other. Similar to Photo Stream, creating a new Keynote presentation on your Mac will result in a magical multiplying of the document and an immediate background delivery of the new document on your iPad, on your iPhone or iPod touch, and within the iWorks web app so you can access it remotely from any browser.
There's no need to manually save the document to something like iDisk, or to look for where it might be stored in the file system, and no need to perform any manual sync between devices. It just happens. When you edit that presentation on your iPhone, all the changes you make similarly appear in every other instance of that file across your devices, again without needing any sort of thinking or involvement on your behalf.
The concept is deceptively simple, but it involves quite a bit of thoughtful engineering on Apple's behalf. There needs to be support built into both the desktop and mobile operating system, as well as a web interface for the cloud-based storage. Third parties also have to incorporate support for iCloud's Documents & Data in their apps. Apple has demonstrated how to do with with its iWork apps, the first to incorporate support for the new feature.
Rather than just throwing up a way to copy around files automatically, Apple took an carefully considered approach that borrows from its experience in curating the iOS and Mac App Stores. This isn't just a network-synced iDisk. Instead, each app that opts in to the iCloud Documents & Data feature is accorded a secure storage space of its own, just as iOS apps each live in their own secure sandbox, inaccessible from other apps.
Using iCloud-aware apps therefore won't eat up users' free storage on iCloud, just as Photo Stream or iTunes' media, apps and iBooks use won't count against the free 5GB of storage every iCloud user gets.
More importantly, a rogue app created to prey upon Mac users won't be able to destroy or corrupt the documents or data stored by iCloud-savvy apps, adding a new level of security within the user realm of the computing model. Currently, any piece of malware (or simply a buggy app) that a user installs has the capacity to stomp all over that user's files and any network shares he or she has mounted. With iCloud, that huge vulnerability is now possible to contain in a way that hasn't been possible before in mainstream desktop computing. Under iCloud, only the app that creates the data can change the data, and must do so securely.
Apple has also indicated that it will be relatively easy for third parties to add support for iCloud Documents & Data. In fact, it appears that Apple is leveraging the existing Versions and Auto Save mechanisms new in Mac OS X Lion to also enable iCloud to efficiently deliver updates to the cloud as you make them and subsequently push those incremental changes down to all your other devices to keep them all on the same page.
Within a week of iCloud's announcement at WWDC, prominent Apple blogger John Gruber revealed how iCloud would handle file sync conflict issues, noting that it would seamlessly resolve file conflicts that occur between devices while backing up each version of the file.
iCloud will "make a decision and it will decide which one is the best," Gruber stated. "iTunes will decide which one is right and thats it. iCloud will push that right one to any device that has this account that has a different version."
And so, essentially, iCloud Documents & Data will work something like Time Machine in the Cloud, except that rather than being focused on traveling through the past looking for lost versions, the new feature will keep users' documents up to date in the present, with push updating of changes as they happen to all devices they own. Again, think of it as push messaging for version controlled documents.
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This is probably the best explanation I've found about "Documents in the Cloud."
This is exactly what I've been looking for. For those of us looking to edit our documents from any device, anywhere, this is mana from heaven, at least that's what it seems to be.
I tried to replicate this with iDisk, but it was a little clunky. This time around it looks like everything will be seamless.
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...d_apples_new_documentsdata_cloud_service.html
How iCloud's Documents & Data feature works
Apple outlined publically in general terms what Documents & Data does: it propagates changes made to a file on one device across every other. Similar to Photo Stream, creating a new Keynote presentation on your Mac will result in a magical multiplying of the document and an immediate background delivery of the new document on your iPad, on your iPhone or iPod touch, and within the iWorks web app so you can access it remotely from any browser.
There's no need to manually save the document to something like iDisk, or to look for where it might be stored in the file system, and no need to perform any manual sync between devices. It just happens. When you edit that presentation on your iPhone, all the changes you make similarly appear in every other instance of that file across your devices, again without needing any sort of thinking or involvement on your behalf.
The concept is deceptively simple, but it involves quite a bit of thoughtful engineering on Apple's behalf. There needs to be support built into both the desktop and mobile operating system, as well as a web interface for the cloud-based storage. Third parties also have to incorporate support for iCloud's Documents & Data in their apps. Apple has demonstrated how to do with with its iWork apps, the first to incorporate support for the new feature.
Rather than just throwing up a way to copy around files automatically, Apple took an carefully considered approach that borrows from its experience in curating the iOS and Mac App Stores. This isn't just a network-synced iDisk. Instead, each app that opts in to the iCloud Documents & Data feature is accorded a secure storage space of its own, just as iOS apps each live in their own secure sandbox, inaccessible from other apps.
Using iCloud-aware apps therefore won't eat up users' free storage on iCloud, just as Photo Stream or iTunes' media, apps and iBooks use won't count against the free 5GB of storage every iCloud user gets.
More importantly, a rogue app created to prey upon Mac users won't be able to destroy or corrupt the documents or data stored by iCloud-savvy apps, adding a new level of security within the user realm of the computing model. Currently, any piece of malware (or simply a buggy app) that a user installs has the capacity to stomp all over that user's files and any network shares he or she has mounted. With iCloud, that huge vulnerability is now possible to contain in a way that hasn't been possible before in mainstream desktop computing. Under iCloud, only the app that creates the data can change the data, and must do so securely.
Apple has also indicated that it will be relatively easy for third parties to add support for iCloud Documents & Data. In fact, it appears that Apple is leveraging the existing Versions and Auto Save mechanisms new in Mac OS X Lion to also enable iCloud to efficiently deliver updates to the cloud as you make them and subsequently push those incremental changes down to all your other devices to keep them all on the same page.
Within a week of iCloud's announcement at WWDC, prominent Apple blogger John Gruber revealed how iCloud would handle file sync conflict issues, noting that it would seamlessly resolve file conflicts that occur between devices while backing up each version of the file.
iCloud will "make a decision and it will decide which one is the best," Gruber stated. "iTunes will decide which one is right and thats it. iCloud will push that right one to any device that has this account that has a different version."
And so, essentially, iCloud Documents & Data will work something like Time Machine in the Cloud, except that rather than being focused on traveling through the past looking for lost versions, the new feature will keep users' documents up to date in the present, with push updating of changes as they happen to all devices they own. Again, think of it as push messaging for version controlled documents.
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This is probably the best explanation I've found about "Documents in the Cloud."
This is exactly what I've been looking for. For those of us looking to edit our documents from any device, anywhere, this is mana from heaven, at least that's what it seems to be.
I tried to replicate this with iDisk, but it was a little clunky. This time around it looks like everything will be seamless.
I totally agree. That's why I refuse to use DropBox.
Just read their terms and conditions and that should be enough to scare anybody off. Plus the fact that they were hacked into just a short time ago.
NO THANK YOU!
re thou shalt heed icloud thy sunday message
icloud commeth with fire and brimstone (or should i say Thunderbolt)
stay thirsty my friends (well for holy water i guess on a sunday)
icloud commeth with fire and brimstone (or should i say Thunderbolt)
stay thirsty my friends (well for holy water i guess on a sunday)
Ok, so i'm not 100% on what will happen to me. I took out the Mobileme 60 day trial 1 week before Apple announced Icloud. So, after they announced Icloud, they converted my 60 day trail to "free until June 2012", happy days! 
Now, does this mean that after June 2012 they will start me on the 25GB Icloud service and i'll have to start paying? Or, are they giving this 20GB extra with no annual charge??
Now, does this mean that after June 2012 they will start me on the 25GB Icloud service and i'll have to start paying? Or, are they giving this 20GB extra with no annual charge?? 
Can someone please let me know if mobileme users are supposed to get the 25 GB beginning today, or will that happen on the official launch of icloud?
I moved my mobileme account to icloud a few hours ago, but I still have only 5 GB storage... Is that normal?
I moved my mobileme account to icloud a few hours ago, but I still have only 5 GB storage... Is that normal?
Ok, so i'm not 100% on what will happen to me. I took out the Mobileme 60 day trial 1 week before Apple announced Icloud. So, after they announced Icloud, they converted my 60 day trail to "free until June 2012", happy days!
My understanding is
When you convert your MobileMe to iCloud (when its launched), you will get the 25GB free until june 30th 2012 (the date MM is closing), so you can continue using MM for free till this point, or convert to iCloud and use it free upto this date
If you do nothing, Apple will charge you from this point for the additional space
Sort Address synching out for iCloud - PLEASE
With 5 different Macs often in three different countries, plus UK and French iPhones and an iPad, synching with Mobile Me is a nightmare. No matter how I set up synching overrides, I can get as many as 6 duplicate contacts. I now only ever alter addresses direct on Mobile Me in the vain hope that it will act as a master copy and all synch through to my Macs (running Outlook 2011 where the dreadful synching is MS's fault) but I still get duplicate copies of contact entries.
It was rumoured that this had been sorted on iCloud - any news?
With 5 different Macs often in three different countries, plus UK and French iPhones and an iPad, synching with Mobile Me is a nightmare. No matter how I set up synching overrides, I can get as many as 6 duplicate contacts. I now only ever alter addresses direct on Mobile Me in the vain hope that it will act as a master copy and all synch through to my Macs (running Outlook 2011 where the dreadful synching is MS's fault) but I still get duplicate copies of contact entries.
It was rumoured that this had been sorted on iCloud - any news?
No Thanx
Our email, internet browing, and phone calls have been monitored for years. But the spook agencies still don't have access to the personal data on our hard drives....the last frontier.
People would never willingly give up their "hard-drive content" to the spook agencies, but with the Apple marketing department doing the heavy lifting, people will line up to give away their data and pay for the "privilege" to do so.
Enter iCloud, a huge server farm containing backups from the computers and i-devices of millions of U.S. citizens; a virtual smorgasbord for the CIA, NSA, FBI, etc.
The surveillance society..."privacy"?....what is THAT?
Our email, internet browing, and phone calls have been monitored for years. But the spook agencies still don't have access to the personal data on our hard drives....the last frontier.
People would never willingly give up their "hard-drive content" to the spook agencies, but with the Apple marketing department doing the heavy lifting, people will line up to give away their data and pay for the "privilege" to do so.
Enter iCloud, a huge server farm containing backups from the computers and i-devices of millions of U.S. citizens; a virtual smorgasbord for the CIA, NSA, FBI, etc.
The surveillance society..."privacy"?....what is THAT?
Ugh. So, just to be clear, Apple is removing the only 2 features of MobileMe that I use on a regular basis: iDisk and Gallery. Super.
What happens to older devices not able to use icloud
What happens to my son's MobileMe account on his iPhone3? Can he still convert it and use the mail app and still have calendar and address book syncing? His computer is a powerpc mini and cannot update the iOS on the iphone3. Will he just have to stop using MobileMe and his email address all together?
What happens to my son's MobileMe account on his iPhone3? Can he still convert it and use the mail app and still have calendar and address book syncing? His computer is a powerpc mini and cannot update the iOS on the iphone3. Will he just have to stop using MobileMe and his email address all together?
Our email, internet browing, and phone calls have been monitored for years. But the spook agencies still don't have access to the personal data on our hard drives....the last frontier.
People would never willingly give up their "hard-drive content" to the spook agencies, but with the Apple marketing department doing the heavy lifting, people will line up to give away their data and pay for the "privilege" to do so.
Enter iCloud, a huge server farm containing backups from the computers and i-devices of millions of U.S. citizens; a virtual smorgasbord for the CIA, NSA, FBI, etc.
The surveillance society..."privacy"?....what is THAT?
What exactly do you have that would interest these "spook agencies"?
Two things I'd like to see are:
1. Apple needs to come up with a way to merge all of these Apple ID's. I have at least three of them, and there's no way to merge them all into one account. Very frustrating.
2. I'd like to see iCloud interface with the new Time Capsule somehow. Maybe to provide extra storage and syncing capabilities?
1. Apple needs to come up with a way to merge all of these Apple ID's. I have at least three of them, and there's no way to merge them all into one account. Very frustrating.
2. I'd like to see iCloud interface with the new Time Capsule somehow. Maybe to provide extra storage and syncing capabilities?
That doesn't make any sense. You, the poster, and myself, aren't that important. Nor are our daily e-mails and documents.
What are we talking about here? Plans for a revolution? Blueprints for bomb-making?
Your e-mails to grandma are probably of little interest. Same for your sexting with your gf.
It's a very good overview that answers a lot of my questions, but also confirms a lot of my concerns. Microsoft has already come out and said it won't be supporting any of the new Lion features any time soon, and I assume this means iCloud as well, so the app I use for most of my work, Word, won't sync with iCloud.
And before any suggests Word alternatives, my job requires me to use Word and makes use of several Word-specific features.
Our email, internet browing, and phone calls have been monitored for years. But the spook agencies still don't have access to the personal data on our hard drives....the last frontier.
People would never willingly give up their "hard-drive content" to the spook agencies, but with the Apple marketing department doing the heavy lifting, people will line up to give away their data and pay for the "privilege" to do so.
Enter iCloud, a huge server farm containing backups from the computers and i-devices of millions of U.S. citizens; a virtual smorgasbord for the CIA, NSA, FBI, etc.
The surveillance society..."privacy"?....what is THAT?
Oh man your life must be tough.
It's not an Apple issue. Control belongs to the labels and they may not.
Hardly. You can go into your idisk and retrieve the HTML etc files and put them on another host. Or if you have the domain files for iWeb just publish them via FTP to the new host.