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I have always found iDisk to be slower than DB. Not yourself, i take it?

The Finder is slow at accessing iDisk. IDisk itself is not really slow. If you use a different WebDAV client, you'll see it's much faster.
 
This is probably the best explanation I've found about "Documents in the Cloud."

This is exactly what I've been looking for. For those of us looking to edit our documents from any device, anywhere, this is mana from heaven, at least that's what it seems to be.

I tried to replicate this with iDisk, but it was a little clunky. This time around it looks like everything will be seamless.
thanks for posting that, it helped!

However, the sandbox thing makes it safe.... Yet frustrating. It would be nice to be able to create my Pages document, then easily move it into notebooks or goodreader for organizing.

The other question becomes, how ELSE can I retrieve that information. What if I'm on a non-Lion machine? can you send a file from iCloud to the device and access it thru iTunes?

Oh well, I guess it will all sort out....

Oh and the only feature i used on iDisk was the public sharing part.... Sigh....
 
Hmmm... I wonder, will the average customer also be transitioning their MobileMe account to iCloud? Because my MobileMe account is different from the Apple ID associated with iTunes. No doubt that would cause problems.

No problems because it is two different systems. You can use the same ID for both but you don't have to.


any hint on migrating all email addresses?
will mac.com & me.com emails be available on iCloud?


me.com yes. They already said that existing ones stay and all new users will get a me.com address.

mac.com they haven't specifically commented on yet.
 
It's a very good overview that answers a lot of my questions, but also confirms a lot of my concerns. Microsoft has already come out and said it won't be supporting any of the new Lion features any time soon, and I assume this means iCloud as well, so the app I use for most of my work, Word, won't sync with iCloud. :(

And before any suggests Word alternatives, my job requires me to use Word and makes use of several Word-specific features.

You are correct, but that just means business as usual for you. If you need a "cloud" disk, you'll have to use DropBox or another service.
 
I've been investigating potential iDisk replacements, and so far, none have matched it's functionality. Close, yes, but no cigar. At least Apple gave us a year to prepare.

I really can't help but wonder about that year. really more like 15 months. It's a very extreme amount of time for this transition. They could have easily said at WWDC that current users had until Sept 1 to back up their data or lose it when the transition hits. Why the extra months. It makes me wonder if they are working on something to replace idisk for those that are willing to pay the extra cost. So the free users wouldn't get it but if you paid for the next tier up you would. It might be a blank space that could be used to add onto your free services allowance or even have a public folder that could be used a la drop box or for web site storage etc. Perhaps even at some point shifting to more like a wordpress style web service instead of the whole iWeb create at home and upload version


What happens to my son's MobileMe account on his iPhone3? Can he still convert it and use the mail app and still have calendar and address book syncing? His computer is a powerpc mini and cannot update the iOS on the iphone3. Will he just have to stop using MobileMe and his email address all together?

From what I have read, he will lose all if it. That said, PPC computers are totally non supported (by Apple for service and pretty much all software at this point) and the best thing he can do is get a new computer. You have about 9 months to make it happen. The difference will be staggering. the newer minis alone are light years better than the PPC machines.


But the spook agencies still don't have access to the personal data on our hard drives....the last frontier.


Hate to tell you this. But yes they do. They have access to everything. They know where you are at all times because they track your GPS on your phone and they listen to everything you do. And they watch you. They also told me that you eat too much junk food and you have about 5TB of porn on your computer. Barnyard animal porn in fact. THey really like the stuff with the goats.


1. Apple needs to come up with a way to merge all of these Apple ID's. I have at least three of them, and there's no way to merge them all into one account. Very frustrating.

ONe of the biggest reasons why they haven't done it is privacy. In many families they use one Apple ID for everyone to buy apps etc but then they all have their own me.com account for their emails and such. If they start merging accounts it's possible for folks to get access to other parts. Like say if you were the master Me.com account holder on a family pack. It might be possible if all the Apple IDs were merged that you could use the one to go spy on your wife, husband etc cause you could get into their emails now.

Plus how do they validate that IDs really go together. Particularly since some folks might have some that are linked to credit cards they don't have anymore, emails they don't have anymore, old addresses and so on.
 
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From what I have read, he will lose all if it. That said, PPC computers are totally non supported (by Apple for service and pretty much all software at this point) and the best thing he can do is get a new computer. You have about 9 months to make it happen. The difference will be staggering. the newer minis alone are light years better than the PPC machines.

I hate this.... Here is someone vested in their hardware and software, and using it until the end of it's life.

Sure it will be faster, but I know with myself the new mini would be the cheap part. The software upgrades are what will do me in..... I do have 2 machines that can go to lion, but two that are PPC and still running.

Things change, there is progress, but that doesn't remove the financial sting from the (often) marketing decisions based on the, "planned obsolence" theory.

People are getting smarter with their spending, and most of us own Macs that have worked for longer than the current life they are getting from Apple support wise.

Anyway..... While i have 9 months to sort it out, I won't be able to afford what i need to do in 9 months so it will just stink to maintain it all until I can.
 
I hate this.... Here is someone vested in their hardware and software, and using it until the end of it's life.

Well in the case of this young man, his computer is at the end of its life. When the hardware is no longer supported by the software companies it's game over. Regardless of whether the machine actually still runs

Even in Cali where companies have to be able to support stuff for 7 years (the longest such rule in the US) the PPC is dead. You take it into an Apple store and they don't touch it even out of warranty. THey send you to find an outside shop that might, maybe, happen to have the parts because the parts aren't all being made anymore. And certainly not by Apple. And the replacements are totally not cost effective for a computer that old.
 
With Dropbox, you can only share at the folder level and the recipient is required to have a Dropbox account.

I don't understand that. In Dropbox I can control-click on a file, make a public link and share it with anyone, Dropbox user or not.
 
Loss of Mobile Me email addresses

When iCloud obliterate Mobile Me (xxx@me.com) email addresses for those who can't use iCloud (PPC users mostly), that reinforced the reason that I have a Network Solutions email address for 10 years. Those are the addressed I give out and that's the outbound server I use by default.

Then I forward all my email to mobile me for now to use it's nifty features. If I don't replace my working just fine G5 Quad, I'll redirect my email elsewhere.

But Apple really is living in a reality distortion field with this iCloud transition. Clearly (to me at least), there needs to be smooth transitions for Mobile Me users. It was terrible when homepage went away - so I used iWeb to create whole new web site on MM. Now that's going away. General file sharing using iDisk is going away.

Neither of these would be that hard to preserve. And it gets rid of one reason many Apple users stay around: stability of the environment. Apple is simply discarding reliable future proofing, period.

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here's what i think (cause i know you all have been wondering):

i'm going to pay for the max icloud offering at $99 per year because that's what i paid for mobileme. that gives me all the features plus a boat load of storage.

the icloud api has been out for awhile so i can only hope that some crafty developer is already working on an iDisk/Dropbox/S3 type of feature and another crafty developer is working on a Gallery application that can use some space and another is working on an easy web hosting application, perhaps Sandvox or some other enterprising sort.

until those developers get crackin' on developing, i'll continue to use other services and not worry so much about "the little things".
 
So if iCloud doesn't sync keychains etc, is there no way to then keep these in sync between my Macs? If so, this sucks as I rely on this very heavily.

Can't see why Apple is removing so many of the useful functions of MM and seemingly not replacing them....
 
Mobile Me Error

So i completed the Mobile Me to iCloud transfer, and now I want to go to my System Preferences and click Mobile Me to complete the transfer. I get this error: "could not loan MobileMe Preference pane"

Did anyone else get this error.

Im running Lion on my iMac.
 
So if iCloud doesn't sync keychains etc, is there no way to then keep these in sync between my Macs? If so, this sucks as I rely on this very heavily.

Can't see why Apple is removing so many of the useful functions of MM and seemingly not replacing them....

is it possible that when apple said "settings" would count against the 5GB allotment, they actually meant keychain and other things but didn't want to say keychain because the average user/new customer might not know what keychain is?
 
So i completed the Mobile Me to iCloud transfer, and now I want to go to my System Preferences and click Mobile Me to complete the transfer. I get this error: "could not loan MobileMe Preference pane"

Did anyone else get this error.

Im running Lion on my iMac.

What transfer? There is no transfer available just yet. Are you a developer?
 
Ugh. So, just to be clear, Apple is removing the only 2 features of MobileMe that I use on a regular basis: iDisk and Gallery. Super.

I'm guessing Apple is getting rid of both because no one really used them, or at least not in enough numbers to warrant keeping those features. To Apple, they're probably cruft to be gotten rid of.

You can direct your ire at all those folks around here (and there's a lot of them) who were always harping on why they chose DropBox and how wonderful DropBox is compared to MobileMe/iDisk, and how it's miles better and they would never touch iDisk. Well they should be congratulated because it looks like Apple listened.

And who really used the Gallery feature when everyone's using Facebook, Flickr, etc? I maybe used Gallery twice, but nearly everyone's got a Facebook account (or Twitter) and it's probably the most easily accessible in terms of everyone viewing everyone else's photos, etc. If you want a more sedate forum in which to showcase, there's also Flickr. Both services are decently integrated into OS X and iOS, it seems, and there's also the promise of very deep Twitter integration. MobileMe Gallery was somewhat redundant, to be honest.
 
A comment around the free extra space for MM users - from my account it doesn't appear to be 20Gb, but actually my old iDisk quota. So I now have 55Gb. Unfortunately most of the stuff I've got in iDisk (not 50Gb by any means) won't go into Cloud documents so have been relunctantly forced to move over to Dropbox which, like all other similar services, I find inferior to iDisk
 
is it possible that when apple said "settings" would count against the 5GB allotment, they actually meant keychain and other things but didn't want to say keychain because the average user/new customer might not know what keychain is?

That would be brilliant if that's the case - this from the front page though made me think otherwise:

Per 9to5Mac, it allows you to move Mail, Contacts, and Calendar information, but the rest of the data won't be making the move:
Apple lets you take your Mail, Contacts, and Calendar information over to iCloud and also tells users that they can continue using iWeb, iDisk, and Photo Gallery up until June 30, 2012. Apple also tells users that the following will no longer be available: Dashboard widget sync, dock item sync, keychains, signatures, mail account rules, mail smart boxes, and mail preferences.


Shall keep hoping that you're right and I'm wrong!
 
That would be brilliant if that's the case - this from the front page though made me think otherwise:

Per 9to5Mac, it allows you to move Mail, Contacts, and Calendar information, but the rest of the data won't be making the move:
Apple lets you take your Mail, Contacts, and Calendar information over to iCloud and also tells users that they can continue using iWeb, iDisk, and Photo Gallery up until June 30, 2012. Apple also tells users that the following will no longer be available: Dashboard widget sync, dock item sync, keychains, signatures, mail account rules, mail smart boxes, and mail preferences.


Shall keep hoping that you're right and I'm wrong!

Makes no sense why they would nix those items.. none.
How is anyone going to use 55g of data using nothing but documents? If you can't use it like iDisk can be used in it's current form, people will have to use iworks to save and autosync power point, pages, and numbers basically?
 
Well in the case of this young man, his computer is at the end of its life. When the hardware is no longer supported by the software companies it's game over. Regardless of whether the machine actually still runs

Even in Cali where companies have to be able to support stuff for 7 years (the longest such rule in the US) the PPC is dead. You take it into an Apple store and they don't touch it even out of warranty. THey send you to find an outside shop that might, maybe, happen to have the parts because the parts aren't all being made anymore. And certainly not by Apple. And the replacements are totally not cost effective for a computer that old.

well, that does not explain why a web based service should not run on a functioning computer that can run a standard web browser. the icloud service is not hardware dependent as far as I understand.
 
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A 3rd party App with iCloud + filesystem and there it is an iDisk replacement
 
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A 3rd party App with iCloud + filesystem and there it is an iDisk replacement

iCloud doesn't really work like that.
 
The one thing I haven't found with Dropbox is the ability to do limited Sharing of files like in iDisk. In iDisk, you can share a file, for a certain period of time, and it creates an HTML address you can share with anybody you want. I haven't found anything close in dropbox except for manually moving the files to a public folder, but it's not really the same thing.
 
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