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What I'd like
  • 4GB RAM standard
  • Intel ULV Core i5
  • nVidia 320M (being realistic)
  • 13.3" screen
  • $799

What I actually expect
  • 2GB 11.6"/4GB 13.3" (no way to upgrade RAM)
  • Some sort of "high-end" IGP
  • C2D (even though with IGP i-series would be possible)
  • $999 (11.6") / $1199 (13.3")

I know that the prices would run counter with White MacBook and low-end MBP, but I just don't see a $799 portable Mac happening in my lifetime.

At $799, $999 price point you will never get ULV CPUs which are anywhere between $200 to $300 and up... definitely not from Intel!

but it is possible to put standard voltage CPUs (if apple manage(s) the heat)
 
Why do some of you think the MBA will replace the MacBook? My son has a 2007 white MacBook, and I have a 2008 black MacBook. I also have a 2009 15 inch MBP. The MacBooks work great, and look good to me. I don't think the MBA will ever take the place of the MacBooks because they lack an optical drive. A lot of college students don't need a computer without an optical drive. They need the versatility of the MacBook. The beauty of Macs is not only their looks, but their functionality.
 
Why do some of you think the MBA will replace the MacBook? My son has a 2007 white MacBook, and I have a 2008 black MacBook. I also have a 2009 15 inch MBP. The MacBooks work great, and look good to me. I don't think the MBA will ever take the place of the MacBooks because they lack an optical drive. A lot of college students don't need a computer without an optical drive. They need the versatility of the MacBook. The beauty of Macs is not only their looks, but their functionality.

If you think about it, the current white MB and 13" MBP are identical in specs. Besides their physical appearance and a few options, there is nothing that differentiates the two. Unless one really needs the lowest cost mac, there is better value in the 13" MBP compared to the white macbook if one needs a complete desktop replacement. Both are great laptops for students, but I think they are overkill for what students need for school. I believe students need something that is light, has long battery life, can do basic tasks + watch videos, and is cheap. The MBA has the potential to be a great laptop for students (it already is for teachers), but ultimately what's holding it back from capturing that demographic is the price. Introducing the MBA at $999 and replacing the white Macbook would not only meet these student requirements, but also complete the streamlined look of their products. The white Macbook is the only product left that hasn't adopted the aluminum body, and so I think it would be appropriate if it were replaced.
 
I could not wait any longer, I bought an Asus Pro23 netbook (12.1 inch screen, 1.5 kgs, okay keyboard, not as solid as a macbook but still useable. I needed something affordable (cheap) and light.

Windows 7 is surprisingly so much better than Vista but I still prefer Mac OS X.

http://www.amazon.com/UL20A-A1-Ligh...dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

I want my 11"!

That sounded weird.

To be honest though I would be buying this as a complete secondary computer. Ie. no music, videos, etc. on it. Just temporary documents and such. And of course extreme portability is a must. As well as low cost.

So in reality I should be shopping for a netbook. :eek:
 
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MBA is not iPad. Not the same. They are different. Stop thinking the same and think different. They will not hurt eachother's market until the MBA become touch or iOS can do full Mac stuff like flash, custom desktop, dock...
Of course they are not the same. Nobody claims that!

But they are both lightweight, ultra-portable, complementary computing devices covering the basic needs of e-mail, surfing, social networking, consuming content and light Office work.
Therefore they are both aiming at the same customer group.

If you really need Flash, a physical keyboard and/or a dedicated USB port, you certainly will prefer the Air and OSX.
If quick & easy access or the ability to work while standing is key (i.e. for commuting), then the iPad and iOS have a major advantage
But if none of these things matter, both devices could be a viable option.

I for one am no longer sure I will be buying the iPad 2.0 I was longing for. The 11" Air could do the same as the iPad plus a few things more while keeping almost the same small form factor.

Most people don't choose their tools upon their definition, they choose them for what they can do and how good they are doing them...
 
Why do some of you think the MBA will replace the MacBook? My son has a 2007 white MacBook, and I have a 2008 black MacBook. I also have a 2009 15 inch MBP. The MacBooks work great, and look good to me. I don't think the MBA will ever take the place of the MacBooks because they lack an optical drive. A lot of college students don't need a computer without an optical drive. They need the versatility of the MacBook. The beauty of Macs is not only their looks, but their functionality.
In 2007 the Macbook was the only 13" option Apple had to offer.
In 2008 your black Macbook still had one major advantage over the late 2008 MB unibody or the expensive superdrive-less MBAir: Firewire port.
In the meantime the white MB has been downgraded to USB only, while the MB unibody got the full Pro treatment with FW800, a solid body and dedicated graphics card. This put the MB specs much closer to the Air.

There is nothing wrong with your old Blackbook. I would still prefer it over the current Whitebook without hesitation. Furthermore these black beauties seem to keep a much better resale value than the 1st unibody MB.
 
but you have to see GPU in a CPU and separate IGP, when things get merged and smaller, of course there is going to be some trade off. :rolleyes:

it is OK for MBA, may not be good for MBP.

Like it or not eventually over the years, all the Integrated Graphics market going to be on CPU(+GPU) market. Intel doing it and AMD doing it.

Apple also used IGP even in a premium computers, so there are not going to be left out on this CPU+GPU strategy

But you have to see how Intel is behind in this domain, and just accepting that as "the industry moving forward" is plain dumb. AMD doesn't have that problem with their ATI acquisition, maybe it's time for Intel to acquire nVidia if they can't get modern GPUs out in a timely fashion ? :rolleyes:

The fact is Intel is shoving this integration down our throat, with very low benefits to us end user to outweight the low performance of their offering compared to the competition.

Stop just accepting what you are given. And it doesn't make sense even for the MBA. The MBA should still get the same graphics performance as a 13" MBP at bare minimum.
 
What I'd like

What I actually expect
  • 2GB 11.6"/4GB 13.3" (no way to upgrade RAM)
  • Some sort of "high-end" IGP
  • C2D (even though with IGP i-series would be possible)
  • $999 (11.6") / $1199 (13.3")

I know that the prices would run counter with White MacBook and low-end MBP, but I just don't see a $799 portable Mac happening in my lifetime.

I think your off by $300
 
Hmm...this is going to be another fail for the Air if they dont get that price sorted out.

The air may be 'magical' but its price is just laughable. It needs to be HALVED to actually make it worthwhile (especially in Europe where we'll be paying almost another 50% of the price on top!).

I've never been a huge fan of the Air. It just seems that to get the formfactor and weight, they have had to comprimize performance, build quality and basic common sense (why would you ship a laptop with just 1 usb port, and why in this day and age are they not providing 4GB RAM as standard!).

For me, the air would need something more along the lines of the following specs to make it be worthwhile:

  • i5 or i7 processor
  • Minimum of 4GB RAM (DDR3)
  • 2-4 USB 3 ports (again, futurerproof your damn hardware like everyone else!)
  • changeable battery
  • upgradable ram
  • upgradable hard drive
  • should ship with something like an option of say 250GB SATA or 64GB SSD (giving you a choice)
  • Maybe an SD/memory card reader? I can see the Air being useful for family vacations and photographers on location.

*sigh*... You just don't get it, do you?

This is not some awful fingerprinty piano black Toshiba monstrosity that runs hotter than the sun and louder than a jet engine. This is an ultraportable, targeted at college students and businesspeople. Therefore:

  • small and light are the names of the game
  • screaming performance is not
  • 4GB of RAM is a reasonable MAXIMUM
  • screaming processor and GPU are NOT necessary
  • masses of storage are NOT necessary
  • gigabit ethernet is NOT necessary; I don't know a single college without wifi, nor do I know of any reasonable business use for super-duper ethernet while mobile (the USB adaptor is more than sufficient)
  • a bazillion ports are NOT necessary

Apple should make some sort of Dell Alienware style laptop which is 3 inches thick, weighs a ton, is loud and hot, houses more processors than a Mac Pro, runs a terabyte of ram, has a petabyte of solid state drive space, and has a removable battery, just for all you guys stuck in a Windows mentality.

While all these things may be great to have, they are not in keeping with the original brief: SMALL and LIGHT!
 
This is an ultraportable, targeted at college students and businesspeople.

In this day and age, why should I have 3 computers and have to worry about to which I saved that working draft of my document ?

I have 1 computer. While I don't need a screaming fast cpu/gpu, I need something decent that's not 2 years late and a dollar short. While I don't need 16 GB of RAM, 4 GB is a decent minimum. Gigabit ethernet is cool for the office, since Wi-Fi isn't available here du to security concerns. etc... etc..

A 11.6" Air with a high res screen would be perfect for me. But I need a decent GPU (ATI/nVidia), I need a decent processor (sorry Atom/Zacate) and I need friggin RAM, and I often need to connect more than 1 USB device (keyboard, mouse, iPhone, iPod).

I don't get people that want to have 3 different computers to manage.
 
In this day and age, why should I have 3 computers and have to worry about to which I saved that working draft of my document ?

I have 1 computer. While I don't need a screaming fast cpu/gpu, I need something decent that's not 2 years late and a dollar short. While I don't need 16 GB of RAM, 4 GB is a decent minimum. Gigabit ethernet is cool for the office, since Wi-Fi isn't available here du to security concerns. etc... etc..

A 11.6" Air with a high res screen would be perfect for me. But I need a decent GPU (ATI/nVidia), I need a decent processor (sorry Atom/Zacate) and I need friggin RAM, and I often need to connect more than 1 USB device (keyboard, mouse, iPhone, iPod).

I don't get people that want to have 3 different computers to manage.

The MacBook Air is designed as a mobile device.

The one thing you DONT need is a sub 1kg laptop - so why are you looking at the air?

I need it on the plane, in between offices, to fit in my already space sparse briefcase etc.

Different folks, different strokes.
 
The MacBook Air is designed as a mobile device.

The one thing you DONT need is a sub 1kg laptop - so why are you looking at the air?

I need it on the plane, in between offices, to fit in my already space sparse briefcase etc.

Different folks, different strokes.

What about my post made you think I don't want my computer to be mobile ? I use a 13" Macbook now, but I'd love a 11.6" Air instead, would make my gym bag that much lighter.

Again, why should I worry about 3 computers ? 1 computer. Mobile, yet with decent enough specs to work as a general purpose machine.

If I wanted something crippled as a "mobile computer", I'd get an iPad.
 
What about my post made you think I don't want my computer to be mobile ? I use a 13" Macbook now, but I'd love a 11.6" Air instead, would make my gym bag that much lighter.

Again, why should I worry about 3 computers ? 1 computer. Mobile, yet with decent enough specs to work as a general purpose machine.

If I wanted something crippled as a "mobile computer", I'd get an iPad.

For our lawfirm, I've been researching ways we could use the iPad so our lawyers and associates can work wherever, even during a meeting without something as bulky as a laptop. Netbooks would do, but the iPad's battery lasts longer. Because we don't use MS Exchange and mostly cloud based software, we have a lot of freedom in terms of devices and host OSes.

If the iPad supported Java, we could use our current RHEV infrastructure. But I don't want to use Jailbroken devices in a corporate environment. Android tablets are an option, but I don't want to incorporate a technology into our infrastructure that might not exist as we know it in a couple of months.
 
In this day and age, why should I have 3 computers and have to worry about to which I saved that working draft of my document ?

Blame the software, I would think in this day and age that when I brought my laptop/iPhone/iPad/etc home it would recognize the fact and synchronize mail/documents/etc with each applicable system.
 
Blame the software, I would think in this day and age that when I brought my laptop/iPhone/iPad/etc home it would recognize the fact and synchronize mail/documents/etc with each applicable system.

Nope, the software works fine. I save locally while actively working on something and push it out to my NAS once it's ready for archival/storage.

Again, 1 computer. Does all I need. My Macbook is it right now. A smaller/lighter Air could be better, with the right specs.
 
Again, 1 computer. Does all I need. My Macbook is it right now. A smaller/lighter Air could be better, with the right specs.

I also like the 1 computer thing. I have a PC for playing games, and a MacBook Pro 15" atm for everything else. I'm also looking at the Air because I don't really need the screen size, I just wanna keep the resolution... And the things I do aren't CPU intensive or GFX intensive (except for playing back HD movies)... I put an Intel SSD into my MacBook and it has been flying ever since... I think IO is by far the biggest bottleneck in day-to-day use... RAM is probably #2...
 
But you have to see how Intel is behind in this domain, and just accepting that as "the industry moving forward" is plain dumb. AMD doesn't have that problem with their ATI acquisition, maybe it's time for Intel to acquire nVidia if they can't get modern GPUs out in a timely fashion ? :rolleyes:

The fact is Intel is shoving this integration down our throat, with very low benefits to us end user to outweight the low performance of their offering compared to the competition.

Stop just accepting what you are given. And it doesn't make sense even for the MBA. The MBA should still get the same graphics performance as a 13" MBP at bare minimum.

agree what you are saying, let us see what apple throwing in our throat :D

2 hours and 25 mins to go, oh snap one whole day to go...

steve do the events on tuesday not on wednesdays ... wait is killing (at least being back to mac event)
 
Hmm...this is going to be another fail for the Air if they dont get that price sorted out.

The air may be 'magical' but its price is just laughable. It needs to be HALVED to actually make it worthwhile (especially in Europe where we'll be paying almost another 50% of the price on top!).

I've never been a huge fan of the Air. It just seems that to get the formfactor and weight, they have had to comprimize performance, build quality and basic common sense (why would you ship a laptop with just 1 usb port, and why in this day and age are they not providing 4GB RAM as standard!).

For me, the air would need something more along the lines of the following specs to make it be worthwhile:

  • i5 or i7 processor
  • Minimum of 4GB RAM (DDR3)
  • 2-4 USB 3 ports (again, futurerproof your damn hardware like everyone else!)
  • changeable battery
  • upgradable ram
  • upgradable hard drive
  • should ship with something like an option of say 250GB SATA or 64GB SSD (giving you a choice)
  • Maybe an SD/memory card reader? I can see the Air being useful for family vacations and photographers on location.

I can understand the 1st gen air being expensive. Its new, it cost money to research, etc - but subsequent models should be much cheaper (providing there are no huge mind blowing changes, which from what we've seen so far - there are not.).

I'm sure I'm probably going to annoy one or two people with this post, but if the Air is to be taken seriously, it really needs to be considered as a slightly expensive netbook (I'm talking $500-$700) and not an under performing crippled machine that costs more than the MacBook Pro .


You can get one of those now. It's a called a MacBook Pro 15" or 17". Putting those things in a MBA is physically impossible, which is really obvious to anyone but you it seems.
 
I will happily take Intel graphics if it means I can get a small version of the Air. I don't game, and it accelerates video fine, so that's me done.
 
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