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The logical thing would be to introduce this year's iPhone early, beginning with Verizon next month and AT&T a couple of months later (after Verizon demand cools a little). It would basically be a slightly improved version of the current iPhone 4 with better specs, but not LTE. That would be reserved for the iPhone 5 which both carriers would get at the same time in 2012. That would also be the best way to avoid shafting Verizon customers, like myself. That would be the fair thing to do. I'm sure both Apple and Verizon thought about how replacing the Verizon version of the iPhone only 4 months later would piss off Verizon customers who bought that too quickly obsolete iPhone. Of course when it comes to making money, logic and fairness can go out the window.

Sure, I could wait until the summer and see what happens. Now let's say only the AT&T iPhone gets replaced. Do I keep waiting until the holidays or 2012? Verizon and Apple should think beyond making a quick buck and give us some degree of reassurance on what their plans for 2011 are. We don't need all of the details, just enough to make an informed decision on wheter we should purchase or not.

I've really been wondering if they would give us any information regarding what their plans are for the release cycle from here on out. My gut says that there's no way they would, but it sure would be nice. Just something to put my mind at ease when I buy this version.
 
It's threads like this that make me wish we had a user-rating system. That way when someone is so adamant about a topic, and they turn out to be right or wrong, they can be up or down-ranked accordingly.

You know, just something for future threads so we can tell whose opinion is worth more than someone else's because that person is a dumbass.

Vgchartz is a videogame hardware and software sales tracking site. They have pretty active forums. They assign points or "rep" to forum members, and the members can wager those points on upcoming sales predictions.

It would be cool is macrumors did something similar!

With that said, it sure looks like the iPhone will finally make an appearance on Verizon. If that's true, it will be really interesting to see how close it is the iPhone 4. Will it be identical? or will they change the antenna design?
 
Good news. Glad the iPhone is going to more carriers. I'm happy with the EVO and Sprint though. Sprint has the best mix of cheap, robust plans, and better coverage. I get NO Verizon signal at my house.

Hahahaha! I've been predicting for several days now that, as this rumor becomes more and more likely, Android users/fans would start throwing Verizon under the bus after years of praising it for being the God's gift to phones. And you are officially first one I've seen do it. :D

Edit: See? https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=11681679&#post11681679
 
Very happy to see the ongoing Gizmodo blacklist. Many of them should be in jail, let alone invited to Apple related events.

Hopefully it's a permanent thing.
 
Very happy to see the ongoing Gizmodo blacklist. Many of them should be in jail, let alone invited to Apple related events.

Hopefully it's a permanent thing.
You're unhappy that the iPhone 4 was leaked? Why? Apple product leaks are what I look forward to ;)
 
The Wall Street Journal posted an article today claiming Verizon definitely will be releasing the iPhone on Tuesday:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...6068170230339348.html?mod=WSJ_hp_mostpop_read

Here are a couple more Wall Street Journal links pointing to a Verizon iPhone.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703735804575536191649347572.html

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304370304575152242601774892.html

Wait, I just noticed these were from March 10 and October 9 last year. Since everyone says WSJ is spot on, does this mean we get the third generation of Verizon iPhones next week? I must have missed the first two releases last year. If WSJ keeps at it, they will be eventually right.

Also, surprised we aren't talking about the Verizon Wireless CEO making the comment at CTIA that it would be Apple who would make the eventual announcement. Not Steve Jobs style to announce something this big at someone else's event. He always gets the his own show and stage, then the vendor (i.e. Verizon, AT&T, etc) get to follow-up.

http://erictric.com/2010/10/07/verizon-wireless-ceo-cdma-iphone-announcement-will-come-from-apple/
 
Here are a couple more Wall Street Journal links pointing to a Verizon iPhone.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703735804575536191649347572.html

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304370304575152242601774892.html

Wait, I just noticed these were from March 10 and October 9 last year. Since everyone says WSJ is spot on, does this mean we get the third generation of Verizon iPhones next week? I must have missed the first two releases last year. If WSJ keeps at it, they will be eventually right.

Also, surprised we aren't talking about the Verizon Wireless CEO making the comment at CTIA that it would be Apple who would make the eventual announcement. Not Steve Jobs style to announce something this big at someone else's event. He always gets the his own show and stage, then the vendor (i.e. Verizon, AT&T, etc) get to follow-up.

http://erictric.com/2010/10/07/verizon-wireless-ceo-cdma-iphone-announcement-will-come-from-apple/

Its in the NY Times today also.
Don't know why everyone wants to deny this is happening on Tuesday. I guess if you need a hobby...
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/08/technology/08verizon.html?_r=1&hpw
 
One disturbing thing I heard from a friend of a friend (he's an ATT engineer) is that ATT is planning on downgrading their 3G service to decrease costs when the Verizon iPhone comes out. Most likely it won't affect bigger cities but he said to expect to see more EDGE in more places.
 
You're unhappy that the iPhone 4 was leaked? Why? Apple product leaks are what I look forward to ;)

Apple leaks are exciting and fun (maybe leaking the final product not since it kills the keynote surprise, but ok) - BUT breaking the law is no fun. I agree they all should be jailed for BREAKING THE LAW (not for spoiling the keynote)
 
One disturbing thing I heard from a friend of a friend (he's an ATT engineer) is that ATT is planning on downgrading their 3G service to decrease costs when the Verizon iPhone comes out. Most likely it won't affect bigger cities but he said to expect to see more EDGE in more places.

Yeah right. The "I have a friend at XYZ" comment again to give more weight to whatever fantasy is being posted .... right, very convincing.
 
This is what I also don't get. Somehow it does not make sense to release the iPhone4 (CDMA) now on Verizon. Even if I would be one of the people waiting for the Verizon iPhone (I'm not, I am one of the few that are happy with AT&T iPhone) - I would wait for the iPhone 5 - hey they waited for so long, what are a couple of weeks more?. But than, this might be a smart move by Verizon: might be easier to handle the new demand, many that can't wait get it right away, many (more) get it in June/July - would mean less sudden stress on the network and employees.

There will not be 2 Verizon iPhone releases within 6 months of each other. If Verizon announces an iPhone on Tuesday with a release in February, look for another Verizon iPhone to appear around 1 year later.

The only caveat to this is a potential world version that has LTE/GSM/CDMA on it. But this most likely won't come for a year or two.

The whole iPhone4 leak thing made Gizmodo a household word. I'd say being banned from Apple press events is totally worth it.

Agreed. There's no such thing as bad press.

Has nobody remembered that it was just Christmas. Where MANY MANY more iPhones were picked up. Is Apple really going to go back on these people and on AT&T and announce it this early in the year.

I would be fairly upset if I was AT&T and I spent millions on commercials and thousands of people all return their iPhones within the first 30 days. I still don't see this as an iPhone announcement because of this and also because it doesn't make (complete) sense.

Sure Apple is gaining millions of customers. But they are doing so on a dying technology that will be out the doors later this year and in nearly full force by 2012. Hey look that's also the year of the end of the AT&T Contract...I'm thinking this isn't iPhone on tuesday.... In the summer of 2012, prepare for the biggest iPhone ever. LTE on both networks, end of exclusivity. This won't be just Verizon and At&T that doesn't make sense either. Why would it be exclusive to TWO different companies with TWO different technologies.

Everyone demanding a Verizon iPhone on tuesday, prepare to be upset.

Also, just because Jobs is going to be there doesn't mean that a new iPhone is coming out. It could easily be a new iPad or something else..

A) Why would Apple care about the iPhones purchased during Christmas? Makes no sense. And not that many people will return. I'm sure there will be some returns, but not a significant number.

B) CDMA isn't dying. Revision a is only a couple of years older than HSPA. CDMA will be around for another decade.

Where are all the idiots that said the iPhone would "never" come to Verizon now. Come out, I got some crow for you. Truth is, once Jobs sniffs a dollar, he's already looking for a home for it in Apple's massive bank. He would never give up on bringing the iPhone to the largest carrier in the US. Simply dumb not to think so.

Let's not cook up that crow until Tuesday. There's that slim chance we are wrong.

That being said, there was no big launch event for the iPad on Verizon, why would they do one for an iPad 2....even if it had a CDMA/LTE chip added?

Verizon already announced all of their handsets and CES and had a big 4G debut.

What else is left?

Not necessarily. People will now look to a Gizmodo non-invite as evidence that a rumor is true.

Yep, Gizmodo is turning lemons into lemonade.

If the iPhone had launched on Verizon with exclusivity it would have had the same congestion issues that AT&T is having. There is no way any network could have expanded fast enough to handle the demand for iPhone. People can complain about AT&T but I think they have done a damn good job considering. Now, if I had the issues that some like yourself are having, sure, I would most definitely be sick of it and complain too, but my previous statements still stand. I definitely commend AT&T.

Wrong, you misunderstand what was happening to AT&T's network. These issues didn't really pop up with the original iPhone as it ran on Edge. The 3G was when the issues really started. Why? Because it used AT&T's still very new WCDMA network. (Forgive any errors in how I describe this next part as even I don't have a full grasp of exactly what happened. KDarling can explain it better.) When AT&T rolled out WCDMA, they relegated it to a single channel on the existing TDMA towers. Also, the reach of WCDMA is shorter than TDMA so placing it on the same towers left certain areas between towers uncovered by 3G. Verizon's 3G network was much more mature at the launch of the iPhone. They would not have suffered the same issues.

Also, some of AT&T's issues were due to some bugs in Apple's implementation of the WCDMA radio. This could have happened to Verizon, but not likely as Verizon is notorious for extreme testing of handsets to make sure they run well on their network before launching them.

The backhaul issues could have happened to anybody, I'll give you that.

What I find is that each carrier is superior in their areas where they also provide the local access circuits. Since AT&T bought BellSouth, they now access to quick and easy cell site backhaul in the SE (i.e. Atlanta). Same in their footprint in the SW, parts of the MW, and some of the West.

In Verizon local footprint (i.e. NYC), AT&T has issues getting backhaul installed to improve their network. I'm sure it works the same way for Verizon in where AT&T provides the local access.

Interesting thought. However, you'd think that would mean I get faster speeds here in AT&T's back yard. But I don't. The other day I was getting less than 500 Kbps. On an average day I usually get nothing better than my buddies on Verizon. I guess they don't put much focus on Dallas. :(

Price-wise it depends on multiple factors. I don't think Verizon has an unlimited data plan anymore. May be a consideration if you have AT&T and grandfathered unlimited data (with a soft cap of 5GB). Also, it's Verizon, so in regards to price, it'll be more expensive.

Yes, they still have an unlimted data plan. Who knows if they'll offer it to iPhone users.

I'm not against the idea at all. I am "against" the whole "AT&T sucks" type thing because I truely believe it would have happened to any of the service providers.

See my epxlanation above of why it wouldn't have and why AT&T's situation was unique.
 
One disturbing thing I heard from a friend of a friend (he's an ATT engineer) is that ATT is planning on downgrading their 3G service to decrease costs when the Verizon iPhone comes out. Most likely it won't affect bigger cities but he said to expect to see more EDGE in more places.

Friend of a friend obviously doesn't pay attention to AT&T's recent announcements or his own internal planning. On Wednesday AT&T publicly announced they are greatly accelerating their LTE plans, not decreasing their 3G service. AT&T has publicly committed more capital dollars to 3G and LTE than the other carriers in 2010 and 2011 (plan).

Back to the rumor mill, I'd like to see an iPhone announced soon that simply has better battery life. Doesn't need to be faster (do I really need to download my email in .8 seconds versus 1.5 seconds), have a better screen, etc...just a battery that will last through the day with regular 3G usage.

Just bought a new Macbook Air and it lasts longer under load than my iPhone 3GS.
 
I'm not sure that would help Apple sell more phones. O2 had exclusivity in the UK, then opened up for Orange, Vodafone to join the 3GS crowd. Three and T-Mobile sold iPhones in the UK but not officially until iPhone 4 came out. When that happened we then had Unlocked phones in the UK.

I'm pretty sure Apple sells more phones in the UK unlocked than they do to a network. Judging the queues I saw in Regent St and Covent Garden over Christmas, they're selling tons of them all Sim free. Literally saw people walk out with 10 phones.

If Apple is going to sell their phones on other networks in the US, I'm sure they'll just go Sim Free to boost sales. Just my 2¢

eastern europeans either scamming with dodgy cards or selling them on elsewhere..
 
Not to be a downer, but he was probably showing off an app or some data or something. Smartphones have been around for awhile, even if that was an iPhone running on VZW, what's to show?

Sure, but I'm positive a Verizon exec wouldn't be carrying an AT&T phone.

But will the same be true for iPhone plans? iPhone users are known to use way more data than any other smart phone.

Wrong, Android users use more data.

It's threads like this that make me wish we had a user-rating system. That way when someone is so adamant about a topic, and they turn out to be right or wrong, they can be up or down-ranked accordingly.

You know, just something for future threads so we can tell whose opinion is worth more than someone else's because that person is a dumbass.

I've often wanted a system like this. But the fact is, those of us that have been supporting the idea of a Verizon iPhone would probably have a low rank. Until recently, this forum has always been very anti-Verizon.

Not trying to deny ... I'm pretty sure it is going to happen.

but NONE of these newspapers can confirm this - all the articles are based on rumors and guesses - only Apple or Verizon could confirm it, everyone else makes educated guesses.

A journalist getting information from a trustworthy source that works at Verizon or Apple is not a rumor or guess. It's just not something we can verify....yet.
 
I'm not sure that would help Apple sell more phones. O2 had exclusivity in the UK, then opened up for Orange, Vodafone to join the 3GS crowd. Three and T-Mobile sold iPhones in the UK but not officially until iPhone 4 came out. When that happened we then had Unlocked phones in the UK.

Don't know much about Orange - but do people in the UK hate Orange as much as people in the US hate AT&T? I know so many people that would take any carrier but AT&T - that hate was already existing before the iPhone was on their network. The majority of my friends really want an iPhone, but never ever would sign a contract with AT&T.
 
Not trying to deny ... I'm pretty sure it is going to happen.

but NONE of these newspapers can confirm this - all the articles are based on rumors and guesses - only Apple or Verizon could confirm it, everyone else makes educated guesses.

I agree. Right now, the most people can do right now is make a guess (educated or otherwise). While the reports do indicate a Verizon iPhone, it's not a definite thing. It annoys me how so many people take the slightest bit of evidence, no matter how circumstantial it may be, and get convinced that it IS something. Plus all the hoopla people make about it.

If it is a Verizon iPhone, it surprises me Verizon will announce it now rather than at WWDC in June/July. But Apple doesn't have to announce new iPhones every year at WWDC. Just because Apple's done it in the past doesn't mean they will continue in that tradition.


I've really been wondering if they would give us any information regarding what their plans are for the release cycle from here on out. My gut says that there's no way they would, but it sure would be nice. Just something to put my mind at ease when I buy this version.

I'd really like for Apple to give some notice for it's products, at least in a business/enterprise sense. I have a friend who's the IT director at a school district. He just convinced his board to get an xServe and then Apple discontinued it with pretty much no warning. With school districts, a lot of the major infrastructure upgrades need to be done during the summer. That's because students & most staff won't be there. Meaning a service interruption won't have as such a serious impact as during the school year. Plus, many school districts' fiscal year begins on July 1st meaning they might have to wait until then for the funds to become available. It's just a pain to make plans, and when you're ready to implement them, Apple changes it at the last moment.
 
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I agree. Right now, the most people can do right now is make a guess (educated or otherwise). While the reports do indicate a Verizon iPhone, it's not a definite thing. It annoys me how so many people take the slightest bit of evidence, no matter how circumstantial it may be, and get convinced that it IS something. Plus all the hoopla people make about it.

If it is a Verizon iPhone, it surprises me Verizon will announce it now rather than at WWDC in June/July. But Apple doesn't have to announce new iPhones every year at WWDC. Just because Apple's done it in the past doesn't mean they will continue in that tradition.

I agree it's not 100%, but to ignore the preponderance of information pointing to a Verizon iPhone is just plain ignorant. Several very reliable sources have come out and not only said that they think it's happening, they have said in n6 uncertain terms that it is happening. These publications/people all have contacts high up within Apple and/or Verizon.
 
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Right so we should all be happy that Gizmodo completely disregarded any sort of common decency they could have had for the situation. We should praise them for their disgusting act that probably cost a man his job. And lastly, we should not even consider the fact that, had Gizmodo done the right thing and returned the phone to Apple, they may have received great press over it and a better long term benefit, not being banned from Apple related events. Delusional.

...and the human rights violations from Apple's manufacturing partners (employing children etc.) are ok?

..persepctive...
 
...and the human rights violations from Apple's manufacturing partners (employing children etc.) are ok?

..persepctive...

Apple interacts with countless other companies in the production of their products. You're going to hang every violation by any of those groups around Apple's neck? I'd say you're the one who needs to consider perspective. The fault for human rights violations lies squarely with the company who commits those acts and more specifically with those running the company who allow it to happen. These convoluted arguments about the guilt of person X at company Y doing business with company Z who commits human rights violations is a load of crap. By extension, all of us are guilty. Or do customers get a free pass for doing business with these guys?
 
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