They don’t have to raise it buy $150. It would be reasonable if they raised it by their wholesale price which I’m sure is quite a bit less than $150
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More Evidence Emerges to Suggest 2018 iPhones Won't Be Bundled With Lightning to Headphone Jack Adapter
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Oh yeah because your source is crap you should listen to it with even crappier headphone. What a stupid argument. First of all. Spotify isn’t the only audio source you can have on an iPhone. There is also Tidal, or you can download or rip lossless audio from CD for those 256GB in your iPhone X. Even then Spotify is good enough (as many can’t reliably tell the difference in blind test) for many if you factor in convenience factor;however, that in no way justify listen to it with crappy headphone which is my second point, a good headphone will sound tremendously better than any crappy headphone no matter the source. Even if the source doesn’t allow the headphone to perform at its peak potential. There is no way for a crappy headphone to overcome the physical differences in the engineering of the headphone drivers.
So why couldn’t an so called audiophile listen to a better pair of headphone as their on the go solution if it offer them noticibally better sound then they otherwise would get?
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It’s hard to make money if you sell for cost. They’d be losing the profit from every unit that they otherwise would have sold to a willing buyer.
It’s fine to want something for a lower price but it’s not something I’d hold my breath waiting around for. People always complain Apple’s prices are too high, but they’re got 125,000 employees and a huge $1 billion/month R&D budget. Every product sold has to carry its fair share of that massive overhead.
Yeah, just get rid of the adaptor and the lightning headphones, then give people a discount when they buy whatever headphones they want. Or something else if they don't want headphones. If the discount is big enough to get those lightning headphones for those that want them, there shouldn't be much cause to complain, and they'd produce and ship fewer things people don't want or use.
I just realized that one of these was hidden in my iPhone box
Same here. Got the iPhone X and never used the wired earpods inside. Gave them to my niece. I don't think I would ever use anything wired for audio on my phones again.
This is me. I have beats X, but I still have a pair of cheap earphones in my bag in case the battery runs out. I hate earpods - they simply don't fit, so I need the lightning adapter. They aren't expensive, but that isn't really the point.
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This is a horrible reasoning. Its like when Apple don't give you a fast charger, or much icloud storage space - 'oh its only $3 for more space'. Yes but I'm buying an $800-1000 phone, with all the nice packaging and 'designed in california' bollocks - it'd be nice to not immediately feel they're penny pinching.
Kyle, just aside Note: if you read my post, I put *Free* in quotations, which means I was indicating what another members post stated that I quoted. It might be helpful if you read the previous post before assuming anything Before quoting me. Other members understood what I meant, you did not. Oh, and even if I was defending a trillion Dollar company, not sure why that would be a concern to you.
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I would like you to find people who think like you, give you my Bank address, you can all send 10$ to me if they stink for you, I'd be a millionaire but I am sure that if you had to part 10$ for no reason you' not send them....
Yes 10$ is a big deal even for you, or do you want to prove me wrong?
I find it funny that the Verge is so achingly and affectedly hipster in this regard, that’s all.
If they had an obsession with headphone jacks and high end audio equipment that played vinyl, Ok.
But they’re obsessing over wired headphones vs wireless at a point where if you’re listening to digital music on a smartphone & getting some cans that are in the $200-300 range, the difference between them being wired and wireless is negligible (I’d argue).
And the direction of travel for mass market personal computing devices is that it’s all going wireless and therefore losing ports, so raging against this seems to be an attention grabbing stance.
I take your point though & there are of course dedicated high end digital music players for audiophiles that can play back flac files etc - and they have headphone jacks!
Unfortunately there's still many airlines who don't allow BT headphones, and even with those who do, there's still cabin crew who aren't up-to-date with their airline's rules.
Incredible how some users here defend Apple to give the customer less. They would be the happiest if the next iPhone cost 2000.
Apple cares and values my business transactions with them, even as a shareholder. I will continue to support them as long as they keep making successful products that I enjoy and the customer service stands behind those products.
I still use wired headphones. I will keep doing so for another couple of years. Not because of sound quality reasons or anything but because it's simple.
I have several sets of headphones in various bags and jackets. Not a single one of those sets cost over a tenner. I don't worry about charging, I don't worry about misplacing. If I need to listen to something I check my jacket pocket or my bag and I'm bound to find at least one pair. I just don't mind the wires.
This whole wireless headphones thing has only created a problem to solve a problem I didn't have in the first place. Kinda dick move actually. The dongle doesn't really help me either because I'd need like 10 of them.
I'm all for moving with the times and all but you also need to realise what needs to move. I think Apple have been a bit too aggressive getting rid of ports. There are still not many USB-C devices on the market.
I have several sets of headphones in various bags and jackets. Not a single one of those sets cost over a tenner. I don't worry about charging, I don't worry about misplacing. If I need to listen to something I check my jacket pocket or my bag and I'm bound to find at least one pair. I just don't mind the wires.
This whole wireless headphones thing has only created a problem to solve a problem I didn't have in the first place. Kinda dick move actually. The dongle doesn't really help me either because I'd need like 10 of them.
I'm all for moving with the times and all but you also need to realise what needs to move. I think Apple have been a bit too aggressive getting rid of ports. There are still not many USB-C devices on the market.
Ahh yes. Makes sense. If you don’t need to connect to the equipment, though, they’re perfect.
Sorry to break to you but they don’t. You are just one person. If you stopped buying their products they wouldn’t miss you one bit.
Also how comes you ignored my point about them believeing in a wireless future yet they do not include wireless headphones in the box? Do you think this is the correct way to treat customers? Like I said previously it is very contradicting.
You seem very biased towards Apple which is a shame as they are a corporate entity who hold no loyalty to you.
You’re overly dismissive of Apple simply because you don’t appreciate the concept of how this company is. No need to try to burden me with your negativity. I’m not interested in what you think about Apple cares or doesn’t care about the consumer, as that’s left for me to make that decision.
I didn’t ignore anything, you asked me a question and I answered it. But to your question now, they don’t have to include any wireless headphones. Your post is being very egregious and unnecessary just because you think they should include something that they _don’t_ have to or are obligated to. Stop being so presumptuous.
Wrong. Apple has treated me very well over the years with the product They delivered in exchange with their services and customer service. I can be as loyal as I want to without having one random member on a tech form trying to tell me what I should believe otherwise. Its not working.
I have to admit using wired headphones is a drag and gets in the way. No one with bluetooth headphones can argue that they prefer a wire purely from a port/dongle perspective.
Where wired headphones shine is that they have no latency, no transcoding, no added costs, no charging needed and rely on the DAC built into the device you play them on, so can be louder and arguably better depending on the system you use to listen. These are important factors to some professions such as video editors or musicians, the very people who use most apple devices. The only up side is very few use a phone to do such things but they're probably invested in the rest of the ecosystem too.
I personally hope for apple to switch to USB-C, for a few reasons. It's a great connector, has the same qualities, ie reversible, can support fast charging and fast usb 3 speeds (though when does anyone plug one in), it'd also lets you use pass through charging on a MacBook Pro etc with a reduction of different cables and helps standardise things. Sharing android and iOS based attachments, docks, charging etc would reduce cost for makers and stimulate new products. It also allows for OTG and other clever storage options that android and iOS can share.
We've had lighting long enough that a change would horrify most but every single apple device needs to move on and that courage to remove the 3.5mm jack needs to continue if anyone is to benefit properly from progress.
Where wired headphones shine is that they have no latency, no transcoding, no added costs, no charging needed and rely on the DAC built into the device you play them on, so can be louder and arguably better depending on the system you use to listen. These are important factors to some professions such as video editors or musicians, the very people who use most apple devices. The only up side is very few use a phone to do such things but they're probably invested in the rest of the ecosystem too.
I personally hope for apple to switch to USB-C, for a few reasons. It's a great connector, has the same qualities, ie reversible, can support fast charging and fast usb 3 speeds (though when does anyone plug one in), it'd also lets you use pass through charging on a MacBook Pro etc with a reduction of different cables and helps standardise things. Sharing android and iOS based attachments, docks, charging etc would reduce cost for makers and stimulate new products. It also allows for OTG and other clever storage options that android and iOS can share.
We've had lighting long enough that a change would horrify most but every single apple device needs to move on and that courage to remove the 3.5mm jack needs to continue if anyone is to benefit properly from progress.
That hand would be stronger if headphones were something that one typically needed to replace every two years. But that's not true. For example, my Bose QC15s are still going strong 7 years in. And that's not because they're Bose but because headphones just don't need to be replaced as often as iPhones.
Thats the thing, people are acting like bluetooth is the same quality or experience as having a phone jack.
Quality and drop out are one thing, if you have to wire you're phone into a sound system is another thing
and what about having a radio right up against your brain?
If Apple would allow non apple dongles to work with the iPhone it would also help.
$10 for a dongle is not a lot but if you have to buy 10 of them like I do, it adds up!
Looks like my opinion is in the minority here
I’m a figure skating coach and a dance teacher and I just have to say that I and my fellow teachers have to buy at least 4-5 dongles per year because they keep getting lost/stolen. We use them to plug into the rink/studio sound system. Bluetooth is way too complicated for most. I even set up an AirPort express but it’s not easy with 20 people connected. And the Androids!
Especially as more and more people get new phones and lose theirs, they steal mine! I buy them three at a time now. Another teacher went and bought a $30 one that someone had braided with colorful nylon so that hers looks unique and no one will take it.
I know a lot of (non-dancer) people with 6S and 5SE who tell me they hold off from upgrading because they don’t want to lose the headphone jack. And they have failing batteries too but don’t want to pay $30 and wait for hours at the Apple Store to get it replaced because their phone is already so slow and old. All I’m saying is, Apple’s PR is a nightmare for those that don’t buy the latest phone every year. I hear more complaints in the real world now than I do online (and I frequent MacRumors a lot!)
I love my iPhone X and I can put up with the constant yearly changes but I hate telling people they have to spend more money on their already expensive device to get the functionality they expected/need. Apple is just capitalizing on how much worse the alternatives are right now for average people.
I mean, this is the company that replaced the headphone jack in the iPhone 7 with an empty cavity just to prepare people for the all screen design of the iPhone X that would require headphone adapters. But plenty of people would have wanted (and already bought) an iPhone 8 with a headphone jack!
Especially as more and more people get new phones and lose theirs, they steal mine! I buy them three at a time now. Another teacher went and bought a $30 one that someone had braided with colorful nylon so that hers looks unique and no one will take it.
I know a lot of (non-dancer) people with 6S and 5SE who tell me they hold off from upgrading because they don’t want to lose the headphone jack. And they have failing batteries too but don’t want to pay $30 and wait for hours at the Apple Store to get it replaced because their phone is already so slow and old. All I’m saying is, Apple’s PR is a nightmare for those that don’t buy the latest phone every year. I hear more complaints in the real world now than I do online (and I frequent MacRumors a lot!)
I love my iPhone X and I can put up with the constant yearly changes but I hate telling people they have to spend more money on their already expensive device to get the functionality they expected/need. Apple is just capitalizing on how much worse the alternatives are right now for average people.
I mean, this is the company that replaced the headphone jack in the iPhone 7 with an empty cavity just to prepare people for the all screen design of the iPhone X that would require headphone adapters. But plenty of people would have wanted (and already bought) an iPhone 8 with a headphone jack!