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More Mac OS X Builds, 10.3.9, Tiger.

hold on!! im comin'!!! hold on!

its like that song that was on steve jobs itunes playlist.. he truly wants to hold out for tiger haha.. still though.. im up for the wwdc release.. 10.3.9? hrm prolly mid april.. i say BUT MEH.. could be TOMMORROW for all i know

narf :eek:
 
iFaulder said:
Had it installed for about a year and have done 8 updates since the install and have never had a problem and besides, I can't read.
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For not being able to read, you spell pretty good.

However, the legal problems comes into play when you click on accept for the EULA when installing the software. Ignorance is no excuse.

That being said, I've never heard of anyone having a problem installing the software on more than one of there own machines. Apple would look like the world's second biggest as*holes if they fully enforced this term of the EULA.

But I prefer to spend the extra $$$ on the family pack, it helps with further R&D. (and I can wake up without experiencing that not-so-fresh-feeling that pirates inherently do)
 
klaus said:
It's possible, but not legal.
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I don't think it's even been tested in the courts for individuals ... if I buy a copyrighted item, I have the right (under fair use) to make copies for personal use (regardless of what EULAs and such say -- the record industry would say you can't copy CDs at all; court decisions say you can as long as you aren't illegally distributing the copies).

Thus, I figure that I have the right to install a legally purchased software product on multiple computers, provided they're all for my own personal use. That's just my interpretation (which would surely differ from Apple's) and, like I said, I don't think it's been tested in the courts.

It is unquestionably illegal to make copies/install it for others or for profit, but multiple computers for your own personal use falls into a grey area ... and an EULA is not necessarily 100% binding anyway.

Anyway, please forgive the slightly off-topic nature of this post ;-).

As for the Tiger release date, isn't it possible (though somewhat out of character) for Apple to announce it at WWDC and say "Oh, and it's in stores starting this afternoon" (kinda like the iPod Shuffle was)?
 
Just a wild guess, but the long delay in announcing Tiger (which doesn't have to ship to be announced) makes me suspect that Apple is coordinating it with other big announcements.
 
Mac Mini and Tiger!!!!

Hey...so I recently ran tiger on my mac mini 1.42 ghz with 1 gb of ram. It worked fantastic. the widgets were super smooth as were the animations with the widgets opening, closing, and revolving. Everything ran quicker too. Spotlight was fine as well. So to those that have mac mini's or are waiting to buy them. Tiger gives them a ton of growl. And to those that said tiger wouldn't run well because of core image...apple would not do that to us. Sorry about the pun....
 
achmafooma said:
As for the Tiger release date, isn't it possible (though somewhat out of character) for Apple to announce it at WWDC and say "Oh, and it's in stores starting this afternoon" (kinda like the iPod Shuffle was)?
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Oh God I hope not!!

ARRRGH!! :eek: :(
 
k4v1 said:
Hey...so I recently ran tiger on my mac mini 1.42 ghz with 1 gb of ram. It worked fantastic. the widgets were super smooth as were the animations with the widgets opening, closing, and revolving. Everything ran quicker too. Spotlight was fine as well. So to those that have mac mini's or are waiting to buy them. Tiger gives them a ton of growl. And to those that said tiger wouldn't run well because of core image...apple would not do that to us. Sorry about the pun....
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Thats good to know!! Makes me feel reasonably good about Tigers performance.

(Cue the onslaught of posts about the bugs in Tiger!!!!)
 
you do not purchase software, you lease it

achmafooma said:
Thus, I figure that I have the right to install a legally purchased software product on multiple computers, provided they're all for my own personal use. That's just my interpretation (which would surely differ from Apple's) and, like I said, I don't think it's been tested in the courts.
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http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/macosxpanther.html

1. General.

The software (including Boot ROM code), documentation and any fonts accompanying this License ... are licensed, not sold, to you by Apple Computer, Inc. ("Apple") for use only under the terms of this License...


2. Permitted License Uses and Restrictions.

A. This License allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time. This License does not allow the Apple Software to exist on more than one computer at a time,and you may not make the Apple Software available over a network where it could be used by multiple computers at the same time. You may make one copy of the Apple Software (excluding the Boot ROM code) in machine-readable form for backup purposes only; provided that the backup copy must include all copyright or other proprietary notices contained on the original.
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Don't pirate software, you're taking money out of the pockets of the developers.

Do you realize how much it costs to fuel up a Gulfstream these days?
 
Compressor!! Compressor!! Compressor!!

I know I am a broken record on this issue, but in case any Apple Inc. trolls are monitoring this board, I have to post this on every applicable thread:

FIX COMPRESSOR!

Please make sure 10.3.9 cures all permutations of the "unable to connect to backgraound processes" known bug!!

End of message. Return to your regularly scheduled Tiger drooling.
 
AidenShaw said:
Don't pirate software, you're taking money out of the pockets of the developers.

Do you realize how much it costs to fuel up a Gulfstream these days?
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Agreed.

Panther, Tiger, iTMS etc: We're all for legality here. Makes you feel good inside! :)

That capture also holds the info about being able to copy the CDs...for backup reasons only...that is almost universal across all software and CDs/DVDs.

If ur gonna do it, keep it to yourself...no one is any wiser and all is well in this legally abiding forum! :rolleyes:
 
jelloshotsrule said:
it's illegal. if it says there "only for the same household", then that's what the rules are.
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Yah know call it a pet peeve but I'm really getting sick of people saying "illegal" Breaking an EULA does not make it illegal. You are violating a companies rules not the law. The two are not the smae.
Something being illegal suggests you are breaking a law. You aren't. Its opening up the possibility that Apple may file a lawsuit against you for violating an EULA. Which will never happen. Then again considering how Apple has been over the last 6 months with lawsuits. :rolleyes:
 
SiliconAddict said:
Yah know call it a pet peeve but I'm really getting sick of people saying "illegal" Breaking an EULA does not make it illegal. You are violating a companies rules not the law. The two are not the smae.
Something being illegal suggests you are breaking a law. You aren't. Its opening up the possibility that Apple may file a lawsuit against you for violating an EULA. Which will never happen. Then again considering how Apple has been over the last 6 months with lawsuits. :rolleyes:
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Guilty conscience??

...joke.
 
SpaceMagic said:
I'm reallly bored waiting for Tiger now. I might boycott and move to Windows XP.
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Whatever you do, do not move to the dark side!!!
Im coming out of the dark side of XP where I can...trust me it aint pretty!!..the anal probing just isn't pleasant n the constant fires burn you, not to mention the red geezer with horns and a pitchfork with MS tatooed on him!
 
AidenShaw said:
Don't pirate software, you're taking money out of the pockets of the developers.

Do you realize how much it costs to fuel up a Gulfstream these days?
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LoL-

Just to make myself clear, I'm not advocating piracy -- not in the slightest!! I'm simply pointing out that 'fair use' doctrine trumps an EULA, and you can argue that having [legally-purchased] software on multiple computers for personal use would fall under fair use and therefore would not be piracy at all (but it's never been tested in the courts, so who knows if they would agree with me).

I abhor piracy in the sense of downloading software and never paying the developers for their efforts... but I also question why I should pay twice (or spend more to get a 'family pack') to put a piece of software on two of my own computers which will essentially never be used simultaneously.

Apple deserves my money, and gets it regularly through iTunes, hardware, and software purchases. I don't argue that they shouldn't. But the fair use vs. copyright infringement issues relating to EULAs and multiple-installs for personal-use are fuzzy, to say the least.
 
splatt2004 said:
Well I've just come off the phone to Apple - I've just bought a Mac Mini, of course I asked re:Tiger and what OS the mini would come with, that I didn't want to pay again later to upgrade. To quote exactly what the lady said on the phone:

'Of course I can;t tell you when Tiger will be released but what I will say is now is a VERY GOOD time to buy a mini and that there is NO NEED to worry about paying to upgrade later'

I guess that means Tiger is with us very soon.
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Be sure you got the name of the sales person who told you that, or at least their extension and time you called. Because this is quite different from Apple's prior upgrade policy. Usually they have to announce an actual release date before it is possible to pay to upgrade later. The fact they are saying this now, the sales person is going against Apple's sales policies by giving customers false reasons to buy now if it turns out not to be true. I'd be very skeptical until I saw it in writing on Apple's website.

Edit: http://www.apple.com/macosx/uptodate/ is the website you'd see it on when Apple announces it is OK to buy a Mac and only pay an update price on Tiger. Presently it does not show it. Until it does, expect to pay full price.
 
Some misconceptions of US Copyright law

NB: My comments are limited to US copyright law.

if I buy a copyrighted item, I have the right (under fair use) to make copies for personal use (regardless of what EULAs and such say -- the record industry would say you can't copy CDs at all; court decisions say you can as long as you aren't illegally distributing the copies).
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Actually, the reason you can make copies of your music CDs in the US is because of a provision in the Audio Home Recording Act (which amended the US Copyright law) which says that you cannot be sued for infringement for making either analog or digital copies of musical recordings.
Here's the text:

"Section 1008. Prohibition on certain infringement actions

No action may be brought under this title alleging infringement of copyright based on the manufacture, importation, or distribution of a digital audio recording device, a digital audio recording medium, an analog recording device, or an analog recording medium, or based on the noncommercial use by a consumer of such a device or medium for making digital musical recordings or analog musical recordings." 17 U.S.C. § 1008
Thus, I figure that I have the right to install a legally purchased software product on multiple computers, provided they're all for my own personal use. That's just my interpretation (which would surely differ from Apple's) and, like I said, I don't think it's been tested in the courts.
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The US Copyright law specifically allows you to make copies necessary to operate your computer, and to make an archival copy of the the software. However, this does not mean that you can to install software "on on multiple computers, provided they're all for my own personal use." The fair use exception would probably not apply because one of the tests for fair use is whether the copying has an impact on the market for the copyrighted work. Naturally, installing additional copies of software ony licensed for use on one machine would have an impact on such market.
It is unquestionably illegal to make copies/install it for others or for profit, but multiple computers for your own personal use falls into a grey area ... and an EULA is not necessarily 100% binding anyway.
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Most cases have upheld EULAs, particularly with respect to the limitations on the rights to use the copyrighted works (software is protected as a literary work under US copyright law - not a perfect fit, but close enough).
Anyway, please forgive the slightly off-topic nature of this post ;-).
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Ditto :)
 
achmafooma said:
Just to make myself clear, I'm not advocating piracy -- not in the slightest!! I'm simply pointing out that 'fair use' doctrine trumps an EULA, and you can argue that having [legally-purchased] software on multiple computers for personal use would fall under fair use and therefore would not be piracy at all (but it's never been tested in the courts, so who knows if they would agree with me).

I abhor piracy in the sense of downloading software and never paying the developers for their efforts... but I also question why I should pay twice (or spend more to get a 'family pack') to put a piece of software on two of my own computers which will essentially never be used simultaneously.

Apple deserves my money, and gets it regularly through iTunes, hardware, and software purchases. I don't argue that they shouldn't. But the fair use vs. copyright infringement issues relating to EULAs and multiple-installs for personal-use are fuzzy, to say the least.
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The EULA is a contract between you and the company. if you violate that contract, there is a Civil court case that can follow. Even if it's not violating any laws (not saying it is or isnt), you can still be sued. Civil cases are different from Criminal ones.
 
Gil_Grissom said:
Isn't all this talk of law exciting!!!
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Fair enough. Question: Do you think that Apple is saving all of its improvements to OpenGL for Tiger, or will 10.3.9 include the same advances as Tiger, up to this point in time?
 
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