More Mac OS X Builds, 10.3.9, Tiger.

[bosrs1]

Interesting how folks that obviously aren't paying ADC members seem to be so sure of what's builds are what. As stated in previous posts, builds that represent work in progress on 10.4.1 will be a separate development branch, i.e. 8Bxxx. So, 8A432 has nothing to do with 10.4.1. Personally, I think Apple is playing the rumor mill like a fiddle, although I do think we will see Tiger later this month.

Ever occur to you that some people might know more then you or the ADC?

I'm just saying. And your supposition that they'll go to a 8Bxxx scheme is just that, supposition. It has no basis in reality.

 

[bosrs1]

Also it's quite possible that the 432 model is actually a system specific release for the iMacs or the Towers. 428 is the final shipping version for us slubs however with older machines.

 

[dicklacara]

I've been checking and just checked again. The last client seed on the ADC site remains 8A425 (March 28). The last server seed is 8A420 (April 5). Don't know where your info came from, but it's incorrect. It's possible that Premier accounts have it, while Select accounts don't, but that's not normally the way it goes.

Trying to remember what happened with Panther-- was the GM build ever posted to ADC prior to release?

 

[bosrs1]

Trying to remember what happened with Panther-- was the GM build ever posted to ADC prior to release?

I don't believe it was.

 

[wdlove]

Right, thanks.
I guess its the same old guess/rumor game to say whether this 10.4.1 update is desperately needed or it will be a few months, dont need to repeat all the posts about how unhappy some people are with the current builds of Tiger, buggy n all, n how some people are completely happy. I guess in some small way it kinda depends on when Tiger as a whole is finished and when it is released. Same old same old

Now I'm confused. If you are saying that the current Tiger build is buggy, then how could there be Gold Master. Or is Apple trying to keep us off guard?

 

[bosrs1]

Now I'm confused. If you are saying that the current Tiger build is buggy, then how could there be Gold Master. Or is Apple trying to keep us off guard?

I think what he's saying is that there is one or two bugs in the GM. Which is not unusual. Considering how many bugs they've worked out one or two is to be expected. However they've probably already identified them and will have 10.4.1 ready for quick release after the launch to fix it.

 

[dicklacara]

Also it's quite possible that the 432 model is actually a system specific release for the iMacs or the Towers. 428 is the final shipping version for us slubs however with older machines.

When did Apple start doing release builds for specific hardware-- I've never heard of that before?

Rather, a one-size-fits-all release & the installer does customization for specific hardware.

 

[floyde]

How long before powerbooks are bundled with tiger?

Hi, I'm about to purchase a new powerbook but I want one with Tiger included. How long do you guys think it will take for this to happen, will it be immediately after realease? Will the price increase because of the new OS?

 

[bosrs1]

When did Apple start doing release builds for specific hardware-- I've never heard of that before?

Rather, a one-size-fits-all release & the installer does customization for specific hardware.

They've always done that. They did it with Panther too. They just don't broadcast it. Then when 10.4.1 comes out we're all brought up to the same OS model. The differences between the initial releases though are tiny.

 

[daveL]

Trying to remember what happened with Panther-- was the GM build ever posted to ADC prior to release?

Yes, 7B85 was posted after the announcement, but ahead (10 days or so?) of shipping. I know, because I downloaded it from ADC and was running it before it ever shipped. It took several days to complete the download; the site was overrun with traffic, as you might imagine.

 

[dicklacara]

Hi, I'm about to purchase a new powerbook but I want one with Tiger included. How long do you guys think it will take for this to happen, will it be immediately after realease? Will the price increase because of the new OS?

It depends. If the model you want is in short supply (no inventory) you will likely getthe latest software with it. If, not you will get a free upgrade ($20 shipping).

It's a crapshoot! I have always thought that it is kind of silly to base the timing of a $2,000 plus purchase decision on the unknown availability of a $129 OS.

Installation (difficulty/time) of OS X is no big deal, so that shouldn't be a consideration. If Tiger is only available on a DVD, then it will be a lot simpler/faster (more unattended) than flipping 3 CDs.

The price of an OS is included in the price of the hardware, so, no, the price will not increase.

 

[GilGrissom]

I think what he's saying is that there is one or two bugs in the GM. Which is not unusual. Considering how many bugs they've worked out one or two is to be expected. However they've probably already identified them and will have 10.4.1 ready for quick release after the launch to fix it.

Ye...i think that was roughly it!! Ta!! I wasn't actually statin anything on my own, i was "trying" to simply say that a lot of people have been moaning about the bugs in Tiger currently and I was covering my back incase someone jumped at me saying it wasnt ready or woteva!!! lol!! sorry for any confusion mateys!!

I think you've explained it much better than I have!! Cheers!

 

[GilGrissom]

One hour, fourty-three minutes!

Back from work yet matey??
Any sign of 10.3.9??...im so gutted!!...im personally hoping your working overtime and 10.3.9 is waiting for you to get back home!! hehe!!

 

[dicklacara]

They've always done that. They did it with Panther too. They just don't broadcast it. Then when 10.4.1 comes out we're all brought up to the same OS model. The differences between the initial releases though are tiny.

How do they determine who gets what?


I have:

2 iMac G3
2 iMac G5
1 TiBook G4
1 AlBook G4 17
1 Mac Mini

I have been able to install any build on any of these (except 1 G3 with no DVD, no FireWire)

 

[billyboy]

Don't pirate software, you're taking money out of the pockets of the developers.

I was quite pleased when the people who sold us our G5 loaded copies of photoshop and Office for "testing" purposes. I have hardly used them so I wont be buying them, so the two comapnies have not lost out there. . But call me bias, if I thought they were giving away copies of Apple software, I reckon i would shop them. How sad is that! Brainwash, brainwash, all Apple is good....

I will join the line to buy Tiger of course, but when that will be, who knows.

 

[floyde]

It depends. If the model you want is in short supply (no inventory) you will likely getthe latest software with it. If, not you will get a free upgrade ($20 shipping).

It's a crapshoot! I have always thought that it is kind of silly to base the timing of a $2,000 plus purchase decision on the unknown availability of a $129 OS.

Installation (difficulty/time) of OS X is no big deal, so that shouldn't be a consideration. If Tiger is only available on a DVD, then it will be a lot simpler/faster (more unattended) than flipping 3 CDs.

The price of an OS is included in the price of the hardware, so, no, the price will not increase.

The only problem I have with purchasing a powerbook with Panther is the cost of the upgrade. I can barely afford the one I want (I´m going for the 17 inch with an extra gig in ram) and $129 extra is just too much for me.
But you say I can get an upgrade for $20... how does this work, is it only valid in Apple stores or would it be possible on say.. best buy? The thing is, I don't live in the US and Apple products here are scarce (except for Ipods) and there aren't any apple stores around. Is it possible to download the upgrade instead? (distance is a big problem in my case...)

 

[digitalbiker]

Keep dreaming.

I believe that Apple could reduce the price of OS X to, say, $50-$75 per copy and we all would be ahead.

What dream world do you live in?

Apple is a decent corporation but they are still in business for the money. When was the last time a new software release dropped in price, especially after applying a software copy protection scheme.

Usually it is the other way around. Copy protection costs time and/or money, therefore the activation scheme would most likely increase the OS price.

 

[dicklacara]

The only problem I have with purchasing a powerbook with Panther is the cost of the upgrade. I can barely afford the one I want (I´m going for the 17 inch with an extra gig in ram) and $129 extra is just too much for me.
But you say I can get an upgrade for $20... how does this work, is it only valid in Apple stores or would it be possible on say.. best buy? The thing is, I don't live in the US and Apple products here are scarce (except for Ipods) and there aren't any apple stores around. Is it possible to download the upgrade instead? (distance is a big problem in my case...)

If you buy your computer after Tiger is announced, you are entitled to receive the Tiger version for $20 postage. The details of how to do this will be published with the tiger announcement, Bo, you cannot download it.

If you want to be 99% sure to get Tiger with your computer, I'd wait at least 1 month after Tiger starts shipping (again, depending on where you buy it and how popular the model is)

 

[daveL]

Ever occur to you that some people might know more then you or the ADC?

I'm just saying. And your supposition that they'll go to a 8Bxxx scheme is just that, supposition. It has no basis in reality.

I'm sure there are, but I'm also sure, based on several of your posts, e.g. Panther GM wasn't posted on ADC and split release builds based on specific HW, that you aren't one of them.

 

[bosrs1]

I'm sure there are, but I'm also sure, based on several of your posts, e.g. Panther GM wasn't posted on ADC and split release builds based on specific HW, that you aren't one of them.

You keep telling yourself that. Panther wasn't released on ADC until after it's announcment. And as for the HW thing, you're obviously out of the loop.

 

[bosrs1]

How do they determine who gets what?


I have:

2 iMac G3
2 iMac G5
1 TiBook G4
1 AlBook G4 17
1 Mac Mini

I have been able to install any build on any of these (except 1 G3 with no DVD, no FireWire)

No no, NEW hardware. The preloaded stuff, not already purchased machines like you or I have. We'll get build 428.

 

[daveL]

You keep telling yourself that. Panther wasn't released on ADC until after it's announcment. And as for the HW thing, you're obviously out of the loop.

I said after the announcement; read the post. The original post you responded to said "prior to release"; you said it wasn't.

As for the HW specific release build, i.e. one build for one specific class of HW and another for other HW: name one.

 

[Peace]

Sales

I can imagine from looking at the posts from people waiting for Tiger to get a PB or G5 or Imacs that Apple might start hurting in the sales dept. if they dont get Tiger out ASAP

 

[dicklacara]

What dream world do you live in?

Apple is a decent corporation but they are still in business for the money. When was the last time a new software release dropped in price, especially after applying a software copy protection scheme.

Usually it is the other way around. Copy protection costs time and/or money, therefore the activation scheme would most likely increase the OS price.

Ahh... but, Activation is not copy protection-- make as many copies as you like, or mail your CD to all your friends.

It is relatively simple to add activation code & Apple already has the infrastructure to support this.

Here's an example of the way the numbers might crunch:

Say there are 1,000 Macs that will run Tiger

based on history, Apple knows they will selll 400 at $100 = $40,000

they know that the rest will be ripped off ($60,000 lost)

But they implement Activation at a cost of $10,000

They reduce the price of Tiger to $60, but the sell 1,000 = $60,000.

$60,000 -$10,000 = $50,000

We get Tiger for less & Apple makes more money.

And, here's the kicker: since the price of Tiger is (now) so attractive ($60 instead of $100), Apple sels an additional 100 copies... pure gravey.

Obviously the numbers are relative & some analysis would need to be done.

But, the concept is sound: You can sell more, for less, and make more profit.

 

[cybertron3]

I have a perfectly legal copy of winXP Pro.. and I bought it for $5. I was tempted to just download it just to rebel against microsoft, but then I realised that my school charges the $5, not M$, so I gladly paid it.

(Just for numbers, 1 Win XP comp dual boot with Linux, 5 Macs [my G5 Dualie included]- all up to date with 10.3)

Like Microsoft? They claim they loose "alot" over pirate copies of Windows.