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More Mac OS X Builds, 10.3.9, Tiger.

dpclark said:
True, but a lot of the apps have new versions for tiger - safari and mail off the top of my head.
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Exactly, that's the point. There are new version of many of the bundled applications and some of those may still have problems. However, that doesn't mean that the OS itself couldn't already be declared GM. If the new version of Safari/Mail/etc. still had problems they couldn't ship the Tiger retail packages until those application bugs were fixed (if the problems were serious). In a perfect world that type of dependency wouldn't be allowed to happen since application compatibility for any OS release is a very important metric and problems such as this would usually be resolved well before the final release of a new OS, but bad things can happen.
 
they allso did release updates for MacOSX 10.2 Jag after the release of Panther... so its possible we see Tiger first and then still the latest upgrade for Panther...

and Like someone said: It's time for something computer not something iPod :D don't get me wrong I like the iPod... but I like the i/Powermac even more :p because that's what I use to work with all the time... my iPod is there as storage/carstereo/homestereo...

so let's give us the new eMac, the cheapest G5 around ;-) DualCore G4 PowerBooks, or even G5?? and the dualCore G5 PowerMacs :D not that I need an upgrade... but I'd like to have a new iBook/PowerBook as backup system and for on location use (and I will not buy any of these before Tiger comes with it... then I can install it on the G5 too :D hehehe)
 
My crystal ball told me this morning that Tiger will be released between now and end of June 05 ;)
Be patient guys.
 
Hey guys,

When tiger arrives, i'll immediatly buy the beast. However, i'm not in the mood for a HD wipe and install everything form scratch.

Is an archived install as good as a clean install?? I never found that one out...

Tenx
 
fps said:
My crystal ball told me this morning that Tiger will be released between now and end of June 05 ;)
Be patient guys.
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So thats in the first half of 2005 then!!
 
Jonnie said:
Hey guys,

When tiger arrives, i'll immediatly buy the beast. However, i'm not in the mood for a HD wipe and install everything form scratch.

Is an archived install as good as a clean install?? I never found that one out...

Tenx
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If its similar to windows then not really!! In my experience its always best to have a clean install for the long run.

People may have other views...
 
Build 8A428 not GM?

Now it's getting weird. According to macnews.net.tc who seem to be well informed about builds, it's still unclear if 8A428 really is GM. Like someone said in an earlier post, the fact that the latest build, which was said to be the first build of 10.4.1, still is in the 8A4xx range, could mean that Tiger hasn't gone GM yet. If it had, wouldn't Apple have switched to the 8BXX range? Perhaps 8A428 was just some release candidate build for FOSE? To be honest, I don't what to believe anymore. I guess we have to wait and see what happens.

Link:

http://story.ch/cgi-bin/macnews.cgi/index.html
 
All the Tiger/April rumours so far have been false.......

Tiger at WWDC....... ;)
 
JFreak said:
actually, no. if it's a single-seat license, then it's a single-seat license; however, what does it mean, regarding operating systems? the operating system is considered installed in "a hard drive" which belongs to "a computer", so if there are no compatibility issues, you can move that one (portable firewire) hard drive between multiple computers and still only need a single-seat license. that is 100% legal.
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conversely, would installing on two drives in a single computer be allowed?

i realize this is all speculation and all, but i find it more interesting than 50 people all spitting out their date for release and they all seem to have inside information, yet none have been right....
 
Jonnie said:
Hey guys,

When tiger arrives, i'll immediatly buy the beast. However, i'm not in the mood for a HD wipe and install everything form scratch.

Is an archived install as good as a clean install?? I never found that one out...

Tenx
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This is covered more in another discussion.

There is no such thing as a Mac OS X clean install. Please read this discussion thoroughly:

https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=1367391
 
fpnc said:
It may be that the Tiger OS has gone golden master but that a few of the bundled applications are still being worked on. They can't release a retail version of Tiger until all of Apple's bundled application work with the new code base. So, not only does the Tiger OS need to be GM, but Tiger compatible versions of all of Apple's OS-bundled applications and utilities need to be done as well as things like iLife.

I'm not saying that the above is the reason for the apparent delay in announcing Tiger, but it's a possibility. If true, this would be a bit of an embarrassment (or worse) for one or more of Apple's software development teams, but it could happen (for example, what if there was a serious problem with Safari when run on Tiger).
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Apps like Mail, Preview and Safari are part of the base OS installation. They are tested along with the rest of the OS throughout the development cycle. Maybe you're thinking of the iLife apps? Even so, it would make zero sense for Apple to wait for the OS to go GM before they began testing iLife apps; they been developing and testing them all along.
 
I am starting to think they will announce it next week at NAB along with some other announcements, hopefully new G5s which will ship with tiger. So maybe in stores on April 30th if we're lucky.
 
daveL said:
These are word games. A "clean install" is a well understood term in the industry; it equates to Erase and Install in the OS X installation option list. Get real.
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Dave,
This is no word game. If you bothered to read the thread I pointed you to, you'd learn that one time clean install did NOT mean an erase and install. To avoid confusion, use the proper terms for the technique used. Please read the thread and don't argue with a technician in the industry for 23 years.

Specifically read the post number 33 in that thread.
 
A clean install is known as "beginning from scratch", a lot of people don't need all the fancy words, and I don't think there will be a mixup with those words.

You are both right, but it doesn't need to be 100% perfect all the time.

Cu guys
 
gopher said:
Dave,
Please read the thread and don't argue with a technician in the industry for 23 years.
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Sounds a little bossy to me..no need for that here. Let's enjoy the waiting game for Tiger ;)
 
gopher said:
Dave,
This is no word game. If you bothered to read the thread I pointed you to, you'd learn that one time clean install did NOT mean an erase and install. To avoid confusion, use the proper terms for the technique used. Please read the thread and don't argue with a technician in the industry for 23 years.

Specifically read the post number 33 in that thread.
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I *did* read the thread, and I agree with the first post in it. I couldn't give a crap about some arcane OS 8 reference. Believe it or not, there is a tech world out there beyond Macs, and that world is considerably larger. That world is not going to stop using a well understood term just because of some Apple-speak in OS 8.

And BTW, I'm a senior engineer in the industry, with a career spanning 31 years, so take your condescension elsewhere.
 
daveL said:
I *did* read the thread, and I agree with the first post in it. I couldn't give a crap about some arcane OS 8 reference. Believe it or not, there is a tech world out there beyond Macs, and that world is considerably larger. That world is not going to stop using a well understood term just because of some Apple-speak in OS 8.
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Agreed
Just because Apple doesn't understand industry standard terms or chooses not to accept them, it doesn't remove or negate the standard usage of them.

Which is like when Jobs pronounced Jaguar as Jagwire, the spelling and or meaning of the word didn't change Regardless of the Reality Distortion Field.
 
daveL said:
Apps like Mail, Preview and Safari are part of the base OS installation. They are tested along with the rest of the OS throughout the development cycle. Maybe you're thinking of the iLife apps? Even so, it would make zero sense for Apple to wait for the OS to go GM before they began testing iLife apps; they been developing and testing them all along.
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Of course "Mail, Preview, and Safari" are part of the base OS installation. But they are not tied directly to the version control of OS X itself. If that were true every time Apple released an update to Safari or Mail they would have to change the version number of OS X.

And yes, these bundled applications (and iLife) are tested right along with the OS. But that doesn't mean that every bug or problem in those bundled applications will be fixed or resolved prior to the base OS being declared GM.

I'm just suggesting that the apparent delay in the release of OS X might not have anything to do with whether the base OS has been declared GM or not. The OS may be GM, however, it could be that other software concerns are holding up the release. I'm just making a guess about the apparent delay, I'm not saying this is the cause.
 
daveL said:
I *did* read the thread, and I agree with the first post in it. I couldn't give a crap about some arcane OS 8 reference. Believe it or not, there is a tech world out there beyond Macs, and that world is considerably larger. That world is not going to stop using a well understood term just because of some Apple-speak in OS 8.

And BTW, I'm a senior engineer in the industry, with a career spanning 31 years, so take your condescension elsewhere.
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Dave,
Regardless, I would like to make the point that term was valid as recently as 9.2.1. So it isn't just OS 8. And the fact that Apple keeps on using that term in its knowledgebase when describing Mac OS 9 installations means there is a distinct difference which needs to be observed. I've seen numerous people who are confused by the definition of clean install until you point them to where Apple actually describes the process. To some it means erase your data and start over again. To others it will mean renaming the System folder. I'm sorry if you take it as a bit of condescension, but this is a serious communication issue that exists when describing installations. And only by conforming to Apple's own protocol and stating exactly what is meant by Apple's protocol do you avoid miscommunication.

All I ask is that you use the proper terms so that people don't get confused, and make sure people are aware what the proper terms are.

Apple's own installers in Mac OS 9.2.1 have this issue, and there is no "clean install" in the Mac OS X installer. So someone looking to do it in Mac OS X won't be able to do it the same way. People need to know what Archive and Install and Erase and Install mean so they don't erase their data:

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=58176
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107120
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=151641
 
To add to that, you say:

Believe it or not, there is a tech world out there beyond Macs, and that world is considerably larger. That world is not going to stop using a well understood term just because of some Apple-speak in OS 8.
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Well, if we applied that logic, we could just as easily call the Apple menu the Start menu so the rest of the world would know what we are talking about.

The point is here, Apple's terms do matter for Apple's software. If you want to start applying Windows terms to Apple's software, no one who has used Apple software for a long time will know what you are talking about.
 
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