More Mac OS X Builds, 10.3.9, Tiger.

[dicklacara]

No no, NEW hardware. The preloaded stuff, not already purchased machines like you or I have. We'll get build 428.

OK! I can understand that! There easily could be variant builds so new machines could be preloaded with Tiger.

There might even be minor differences based on new hardware,

These would never be seeded for general testing by ADC members.

Then, as soon as you fire up your new hardware, perform localization, etc... it suggests that you do a software update,

Seems as this always happens on a new box, anyway.

 

[bosrs1]

OK! I can understand that! There easily could be variant builds so new machines could be preloaded with Tiger.

There might even be minor differences based on new hardware,

These would never be seeded for general testing by ADC members.

Then, as soon as you fire up your new hardware, perform localization, etc... it suggests that you do a software update,

Seems as this always happens on a new box, anyway.

Exactly. That's what they'll do. Believe me 428 was the final GM build. I heard they even had a party when it was done. Any further builds are either A) 10.4.1 or B) Hardware specific builds for the different models being preloaded.

 

[~loserman~]

Ahh... but, Activation is not copy protection-- make as many copies as you like, or mail your CD to all your friends.

It is relatively simple to add activation code & Apple already has the infrastructure to support this.

OMG I sure hope they don't do activation codes.
That is the single most frustrating part of some software IMO.
When I find software that uses an activation code I immediately refuse to buy it any more.
It gripes my butt to have to activate software. I feel the same way about registering software.
I reinstall my computers very frequently and find activation annoying. Especially after the second or third time.
If Tiger required activation(which it doesn't) I would stick with Panther.
I did the same thing with Windows. All of my PC's run Windows 2K even though I own 2 legal copies of XP. I run Win 2K just because I don't feel like having to call them to reactivate the freaking XP.

 

[bosrs1]

I said after the announcement; read the post. The original post you responded to said "prior to release"; you said it wasn't.

As for the HW specific release build, i.e. one build for one specific class of HW and another for other HW: name one.

By release I meant announcment. My apologies for the confusion. I consider announcment the release since it "officially" exists.

ANd as for the HW specific release of the OS, look back to the Original Panther release. The builds were not the same on all of the models prior to first software updates on the machines.

 

[dicklacara]

OMG I sure hope they don't do activation codes.
That is the single most frustrating part of some software IMO.
When I find software that uses an activation code I immediately refuse to buy it any more.
It gripes my butt to have to activate software. I feel the same way about registering software.
I reinstall my computers very frequently and find activation annoying. Especially after the second or third time.
If Tiger required activation(which it doesn't) I would stick with Panther.
I did the same thing with Windows. All of my PC's run Windows 2K even though I own 2 legal copies of XP. I run Win 2K just because I don't feel like having to call them to reactivate the freaking XP.

If activation were implemented correctly:

1) it would be performed by a wizard, available 24/7 -- that would dial the site and activate automatically. (pre-installed software would be pre-activated)

2) you would only need to call if there were problems that could not be resolved by the wizard.

3) there would be a grace period, say a month, after initial startup. where an unactivated copy would run.

Normally the activation would be no more difficult than a software update or warranty registration. (it doesn't need to know anything about you, and only your machine's serial number)

For the honest person it would be no big deal

For the person who wants to try before you buy, it would be great,

Activation could be purchased, any time, thru something like the ITMS & be no more difficult than buying an album.

I don't particularly like Activation, either. But, unless companies can make a legitimate profit on their products, there will be no products.

I would rather have activation, lower-priced software & immediate gratification (download & install; than pay higher prices, additional shipping charges, and wait for delivery.

Apple could do this right! (and make legitimate profits at lower prices).

 

[~loserman~]

Exactly. That's what they'll do. Believe me 428 was the final build. I heard they even had a party when it was done. Any further builds are either A) 10.4.1 or B) Hardware specific builds for the different models being preloaded.

I still think that Tiger hasn't gone GM yet and here is why.
We are a major account for Apple.( We spend millions with them)
We always get the GM builds before the products get announced.
Here is a small list of products we received before they were announced.
Jaguar GM
Panther GM
XSAN GM
And we knew they were the GM's when they were sent to us.
We always get them Fedex within 1 or 2 days tops after they go GM.
We have been promised to get both the Tiger GM and Server GM as soon as they are ready.
And so far we have not been notified that that either has gone GM.
Suffice it to say we do have constant communications with People in the know at Apple and we haven't been told it is GM. Close but not finished yet.
Given our history with Apple over the last 3 or 4 years.
My basic question would be since we got notified of all the above products AND received the known GMs as soon as they were ready why would Apple change their policy with us over this one.

 

[advocate]

based on history, Apple knows they will selll 400 at $100 = $40,000

they know that the rest will be ripped off ($60,000 lost)

But they implement Activation at a cost of $10,000

They reduce the price of Tiger to $60, but the sell 1,000 = $60,000.

Nope, they won't sell a copy to everyone. I'm more inclined to get a crack for software that requires activation than for software that doesn't. Basically, if the company treats me like a potential thief, then a pox on them.

 

[dicklacara]

I still think that Tiger hasn't gone GM yet and here is why.
We are a major account for Apple.( We spend millions with them)
We always get the GM builds before the products get announced.
Here is a small list of products we received before they were announced.
Jaguar GM
Panther GM
XSAN GM
And we knew they were the GM's when they were sent to us.
We always get them Fedex within 1 or 2 days tops after they go GM.
We have been promised to get both the Tiger GM and Server GM as soon as they are ready.
And so far we have not been notified that that either has gone GM.
Suffice it to say we do have constant communications with People in the know at Apple and we haven't been told it is GM. Close but not finished yet.
Given our history with Apple over the last 3 or 4 years.
My basic question would be since we got notified of all the above products AND received the known GMs as soon as they were ready why would Apple change their policy with us over this one.

Makes sense to me!

Based on previous posts, it is possible that some new production are being seeded with 824, knowing full well, that after localization, the "GM" software can be provided thru Software Update.

In fact, I would bet that any pre-installed software on any box is out of date when you get it.

With that logic, the GM would only be required for boxed versions of OSX (not the disks that come with each computer)

Trying to remember-- were Panther Client & Panther Server released at the same time & the same build?

Also, I would hope to see the latest stable Apache, Perl, PHP, JBoss, etc included in the eventual Tiger release (If they wait too long they will need to include Jafa 5.0 Tiger, too).

 

[mkjellman]

I still think that Tiger hasn't gone GM yet and here is why.

Well I couldn't agree with you more. I think Tiger is usable. I can use it, I do every day but there are a bunch of things that are so noticeable with window refreshing issues and other glitches that would be stupid for them to release the product with. There are still known issues even in their seed notes and I know Jag and Panther were not like that either....I hope it has not gone GM!!!

 

[daveL]

Well I couldn't agree with you more. I think Tiger is usable. I can use it, I do every day but there are a bunch of things that are so noticeable with window refreshing issues and other glitches that would be stupid for them to release the product with. There are still known issues even in their seed notes and I know Jag and Panther were not like that either....I hope it has not gone GM!!!

Although I agree with you and ~loserman~, I can't understand why these later seeds have not made it to ADC. Again, I think Apple is playing the rumor mill like a fiddle, at the moment.

 

[dicklacara]

Nope, they won't sell a copy to everyone. I'm more inclined to get a crack for software that requires activation than for software that doesn't. Basically, if the company treats me like a potential thief, then a pox on them.

Didn't say everyone would buy it!

Meant something like:

there are 1,500 Tiger-capable computers.

1,000 of these will actually run Tiger.

400 will buy Tiger

600 will rip it off

I don't look at it as treating you/me as a thief!

What they would be saying is:

"I have this OS that I currently sell for $129 because many people rip it off. If you work with me to prevent this, I can sell it to you (and everyone else) for $60

And, as an additional benefit, I'll let you download it for instant gratification"

Interesting... Apple could offer it both ways & test the Market!

There are things that can be learned from the iTMS and Napster!

 

[cybertron3]

All of my PC's run Windows 2K even though I own 2 legal copies of XP. I run Win 2K just because I don't feel like having to call them to reactivate the freaking XP.

Oh man- that is so fun to do drunk

 

[bosrs1]

Although I agree with you and ~loserman~, I can't understand why these later seeds have not made it to ADC. Again, I think Apple is playing the rumor mill like a fiddle, at the moment.

Well the last ADC build was 425 correct?

From what I've seen of 428 it's resolved alot of those issues you mention. There is only one issue regarding certain iSights not working with mutliperson iChat.

 

[dicklacara]

Where can I get some h264 QT files & QT 7 Pro

I have QT6 Pro, but the serial no longer works with QT7 (it did before)

Anyway, I would like to play with some h264 encoded video.

Anyone know where I can get some files (since I can''t create them)?

Oops, my bad! Posted to the wrong place!

 

[MacTRUTH]

Not 'Til June Everyone

I really believe we are looking at a June 1-ish release. The rebate on Amazon.com clearly states it is good on pre-orders only, and is valid for purchases made through 5/31/05. Which would mean a release date of June 1. Also, the rebate must be postmarked by 7/1/05, giving everyone the traditional 30 day window to send it in after purchase. This would also fit neatly into Apple's assertion of availability in "the first half of 2005."

 

[macux]

A plugged leak?

I still think that Tiger hasn't gone GM yet and here is why.
We are a major account for Apple.( We spend millions with them)
We always get the GM builds before the products get announced.
Here is a small list of products we received before they were announced.
Jaguar GM
Panther GM
XSAN GM
And we knew they were the GM's when they were sent to us.
We always get them Fedex within 1 or 2 days tops after they go GM.
We have been promised to get both the Tiger GM and Server GM as soon as they are ready.
And so far we have not been notified that that either has gone GM.
Suffice it to say we do have constant communications with People in the know at Apple and we haven't been told it is GM. Close but not finished yet.
Given our history with Apple over the last 3 or 4 years.
My basic question would be since we got notified of all the above products AND received the known GMs as soon as they were ready why would Apple change their policy with us over this one.

Maybe they figured out that you keep posting all this information about one of their number 1 multi-million dollar clients and are witholding the GM this time because of all the leaks!

 

[swissmann]

The first half of the year deadline is approaching quickly. I want to see Tiger soon. I wonder what NAB has in store.

 

[afields]

it will be announced today (friday), bank on it.

 

[SAukland]

it will be announced today (friday), bank on it.

Unfortunately, we've banked on enough of these "for sure (x) day". "can't reveal my sources" "the April 1st announcement is legit" "wait until monday, for sure" "ok, tomorrow, just watch. bank on it".

Friday will be different, I suppose. I hope you're right.
But I doubt it for some reason.

This Tiger is far too stealthy, and lacks the announcement pounce thus far.
Hopefully, however, this will be made up with precision and accuracy (in the OS that is.)

 

[powerbook911]

it will be announced today (friday), bank on it.

Is this a joke, or are you serious?

 

[Lacero]

They said this last week. NO doubt next we'll be saying it again.

 

[JFreak]

multiple computers for your own personal use falls into a grey area

actually, no. if it's a single-seat license, then it's a single-seat license; however, what does it mean, regarding operating systems? the operating system is considered installed in "a hard drive" which belongs to "a computer", so if there are no compatibility issues, you can move that one (portable firewire) hard drive between multiple computers and still only need a single-seat license. that is 100% legal.

 

[dpclark]

I really believe we are looking at a June 1-ish release. The rebate on Amazon.com clearly states it is good on pre-orders only, and is valid for purchases made through 5/31/05. Which would mean a release date of June 1. Also, the rebate must be postmarked by 7/1/05, giving everyone the traditional 30 day window to send it in after purchase. This would also fit neatly into Apple's assertion of availability in "the first half of 2005."

perhaps apple don't want the release date given away (or even amazon just don't know it) - anyway they can retrospectivly alter this date anytime for the rebate - or play good customer service and honour it anyway if tiger jumps out of the box earlier

 

[fpnc]

It may be that the Tiger OS has gone golden master but that a few of the bundled applications are still being worked on. They can't release a retail version of Tiger until all of Apple's bundled application work with the new code base. So, not only does the Tiger OS need to be GM, but Tiger compatible versions of all of Apple's OS-bundled applications and utilities need to be done as well as things like iLife.

I'm not saying that the above is the reason for the apparent delay in announcing Tiger, but it's a possibility. If true, this would be a bit of an embarrassment (or worse) for one or more of Apple's software development teams, but it could happen (for example, what if there was a serious problem with Safari when run on Tiger).

 

[dpclark]

It may be that the Tiger OS has gone golden master but that a few of the bundled applications are still being worked on. They can't release a retail version of Tiger until all of Apple's bundled application work with the new code base. So, not only does the Tiger OS need to be GM, but Tiger compatible versions of all of Apple's OS-bundled applications and utilities need to be done as well as things like iLife.

I'm not saying that the above is the reason for the apparent delay in announcing Tiger, but it's a possibility. If true, this would be a bit of an embarrassment (or worse) for one or more of Apple's software development teams, but it could happen (for example, what if there was a serious problem with Safari when run on Tiger).

True, but a lot of the apps have new versions for tiger - safari and mail off the top of my head.