This is a load of bollocks.
Microsoft can go **** themselves, along with the major label record companies
Microsoft can go **** themselves, along with the major label record companies
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iPod More Microsoft Zune BS, Secret Goal=Make Ipod Cost More
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What surprises me is some of you still feel the world is just enough to pay for music. My hatred for the record companies was conceived a long time ago.
I hope they die, but sadly with such talented artists such as K-Fed around they will probably continue to make money.
In any case, here's to Microsoft's death. *cheers*
I hope they die, but sadly with such talented artists such as K-Fed around they will probably continue to make money.
In any case, here's to Microsoft's death. *cheers*
Or so the labels claim. Even though plenty of studies show that piracy has nothing to do with their sales figures. The fact that they don't sell what people want to buy has a lot more to do with their problems. They also have problems from internet-based stores, because these stores don't keep inventories of stuff that doesn't sell. They also have problems from wholesalers (including their own, like the BMG music club) that sell at cut-rate prices, and almost certainly pay less back to the original labels.
But whatever the cause of the supposed losses....
But the music still gets produced and sold. It just doesn't go to Sony. This, I couldn't care less about.SRSound said:
We'll hear about them all. We'll just be buying the songs from the band's own web site and iTunes instead of from Sony.SRSound said:
And if it is a runaway success, M$ will screw over the labels the first chance they get, just as they do all of their other "partners."
Jobs has offered a simple and fair, maybe not perfect, solution to the music industry. Unfortunately, the industry is so greedy that it can't see what's happening. Let M$ in and you are doomed. If Zune is a success and somehow manages to displace the iPod, the industry will long for the days of Apple as they pay endless licensing fees so that M$ doesn't turn off the cash flow.
these kind of things force people to be pirates..
Apple is trying to make legal music listening more affordable and they had accomplished that. 99 cents a song is a fair amount and 200 bucks for a moderate iPod is ok. Because Steve knows that if they make it more expensive, people are going to find a way to listen to music at a less charge or even free.
If Zune is gonna be somewhat successful and this **** will make us pay more to our iPods, then people save the money they are paying more by using more Limewire and less iTunes to get their music. People wont purchase less music just because M$ is evil, they will go on using iPods for more money and get their music by pirating..
Nothing good comes from neither frenchs nor M$...
Apple is trying to make legal music listening more affordable and they had accomplished that. 99 cents a song is a fair amount and 200 bucks for a moderate iPod is ok. Because Steve knows that if they make it more expensive, people are going to find a way to listen to music at a less charge or even free.
If Zune is gonna be somewhat successful and this **** will make us pay more to our iPods, then people save the money they are paying more by using more Limewire and less iTunes to get their music. People wont purchase less music just because M$ is evil, they will go on using iPods for more money and get their music by pirating..
Nothing good comes from neither frenchs nor M$...
The industry needs to work together...or it's Hello BitTorrent![/QUOTE]
And I'll bet that Acquisition will STILL link up to iTunes well into 10 or higher.
As for the Zune, that thing was dead to me the moment I heard about it. I doubt it will work on OS X, and I have no intention whatsoever to put windows oh my machine just for a digital music player.
As for a piracy tax, I don't see how that's legal. You can't rightly assume that because you own the device, you'll also have ill-acquired music on it. In my case i will definitely have some illegally downloaded music on it, but it's essentially like the plot to Minority Report, arrest the perpetrator before the crime takes place. That's like fining people who own cars because they have the potential to go speeding.
I won't say officially that the Zune will fail, but this isn't the first Microsoft-built hardware to fail miserably. people may like windows and all, but people who already own ipods will probably never even give the zune a second look unless it really offers something even worth remembering.
And I'll bet that Acquisition will STILL link up to iTunes well into 10 or higher.
As for the Zune, that thing was dead to me the moment I heard about it. I doubt it will work on OS X, and I have no intention whatsoever to put windows oh my machine just for a digital music player.
As for a piracy tax, I don't see how that's legal. You can't rightly assume that because you own the device, you'll also have ill-acquired music on it. In my case i will definitely have some illegally downloaded music on it, but it's essentially like the plot to Minority Report, arrest the perpetrator before the crime takes place. That's like fining people who own cars because they have the potential to go speeding.
I won't say officially that the Zune will fail, but this isn't the first Microsoft-built hardware to fail miserably. people may like windows and all, but people who already own ipods will probably never even give the zune a second look unless it really offers something even worth remembering.
There's alot more to this than Microsoft wont people to think. Why would a company willingly give away money? They obviously hope UMG will return the favour at some point, money of Zune or download free zune track with every UMG song? Who knows! As people have said, The music industry is in a complete mess at the moment and something needs to be done about it!
I really don't think the Zune will fail that much, it's got Microsoft behind it and they'll promote it till they die. People who dispise iPods *sticks out tongue at them* will really love the Zune but I think for most people they'll stick with the iPod. Most people know the iPod/iTunes way and if they're happy they wont change
This really reminds me of something they used to say about the F4 Phantom:
"With enough thrust, you can fly a brick."
Microsoft did this with each iteration of the XBox, and now they're going to do it again with the Zune. They will forcibly make their player popular and dry up the market resources that Apple's iPod, and anyone else out there who wants to make their own portable player, depend upon.
In the mean time, Microsoft doesn't even care that they're feeding us, the general public, to the lions and wolves which are the entertainment industry.
One day, you'll have to agree to licensing agreements for everything you want to do. And the culture will get their sense of reality warped to the point where they think this is a good thing.
How dare ANYONE try to make me agree to licensing terms for anything that isn't simply a business-to-business deal or proposition?
SRSound, you want to make it seem like the music industry is innocent of wrong-doing and should be immune to criticism. Yet it's your industry that puts (either directly or by suggestion) filler content on most CDs; recent times notwithstanding, it's a known fact that if you buy a typical 10-14 track CD, only 2-4 of those tracks are going to be any good. The proof of this can even be found in your industry's own promoting activities: If the CD is *full* of good content, how come you folks only seem to get airtime for the couple 2-4 actually good tracks on a given album? Hmm?
And as for trying to say, well, we're taking it in the shorts because of slacking sales, what the hell do you expect? You overcharge us, the general public, for CDs full of mostly garbage, and when the means comes along to allow us to acquire (for free or for a fee) only the content we want, you're actually surprised at this? All those college-graduate people you employ, all those marketing "geniuses", all those great strategists, and you can't see something as blindingly obvious as this?!?
No matter what the truth or the "true reality" is regarding how we, the general public, acquire our entertainment, the bottom line is that your companies are in it *for the money* no matter what, and for no other reason. So if you folks want to keep selling stuff that people don't really want, you have only yourselves to blame when you're left flush with inventory and bereft of sales revenue.
"With enough thrust, you can fly a brick."
Microsoft did this with each iteration of the XBox, and now they're going to do it again with the Zune. They will forcibly make their player popular and dry up the market resources that Apple's iPod, and anyone else out there who wants to make their own portable player, depend upon.
In the mean time, Microsoft doesn't even care that they're feeding us, the general public, to the lions and wolves which are the entertainment industry.
One day, you'll have to agree to licensing agreements for everything you want to do. And the culture will get their sense of reality warped to the point where they think this is a good thing.
How dare ANYONE try to make me agree to licensing terms for anything that isn't simply a business-to-business deal or proposition?
SRSound, you want to make it seem like the music industry is innocent of wrong-doing and should be immune to criticism. Yet it's your industry that puts (either directly or by suggestion) filler content on most CDs; recent times notwithstanding, it's a known fact that if you buy a typical 10-14 track CD, only 2-4 of those tracks are going to be any good. The proof of this can even be found in your industry's own promoting activities: If the CD is *full* of good content, how come you folks only seem to get airtime for the couple 2-4 actually good tracks on a given album? Hmm?
And as for trying to say, well, we're taking it in the shorts because of slacking sales, what the hell do you expect? You overcharge us, the general public, for CDs full of mostly garbage, and when the means comes along to allow us to acquire (for free or for a fee) only the content we want, you're actually surprised at this? All those college-graduate people you employ, all those marketing "geniuses", all those great strategists, and you can't see something as blindingly obvious as this?!?
No matter what the truth or the "true reality" is regarding how we, the general public, acquire our entertainment, the bottom line is that your companies are in it *for the money* no matter what, and for no other reason. So if you folks want to keep selling stuff that people don't really want, you have only yourselves to blame when you're left flush with inventory and bereft of sales revenue.
This is absurd!! I paid for my music already.
"We felt that any business that's built on the bedrock of music we should share in." But what about those that use iPods primarily for audiobooks? What about podcasts? What about indie music? What about the song I wrote and recorded myself? Does a record label need a cut of that?!?
This makes me so angry. I cannot believe the sheer absurdity of this!
"We felt that any business that's built on the bedrock of music we should share in." But what about those that use iPods primarily for audiobooks? What about podcasts? What about indie music? What about the song I wrote and recorded myself? Does a record label need a cut of that?!?
This makes me so angry. I cannot believe the sheer absurdity of this!
Did you miss this
"We believe that the music consumer will appreciate knowing that when they buy a Zune device, they are helping their favorite artists get paid."
How much do you think the artist will see from this deal?
None, is my bet!
"We believe that the music consumer will appreciate knowing that when they buy a Zune device, they are helping their favorite artists get paid."
How much do you think the artist will see from this deal?
None, is my bet!
Exactly!
And what if my favorite artist is on an indie label? Is M$ planning to pay a fee to every label out there...or just the big bloated UMG?
If people are stupid enough to believe this has ANYTHING to do with the artist, well, they deserve whatever they get.
This is classic example of grabbing someone afloat to drown with you.
Damn you Microsoft! You and your zune is going to stink, why hurt Apple?
Just coz their iPod costs cheaper to be built than your ugly zune?
Don't know if anyone has read this, but the facts about Zune market place range from Shocking, Surprising to Uggghhh....
Read on...
http://blogs.forbes.com/digitaldownload/2006/11/zune_stinks.html
Damn you Microsoft! You and your zune is going to stink, why hurt Apple?
Just coz their iPod costs cheaper to be built than your ugly zune?
Don't know if anyone has read this, but the facts about Zune market place range from Shocking, Surprising to Uggghhh....
Read on...
http://blogs.forbes.com/digitaldownload/2006/11/zune_stinks.html
Shocking, quite shocking. What is Microsoft's reason for doing this other than trying to screw with Apple? From a business standpoint why would you voluntarily give over some of your profits to another company unless you were forced to by law?
I hate the music industry for even suggesting that they have some sort of entitlement on profits from a music player. I'm sure Jobs laughed in their faces when they said this to him.
Music companies need to get back to grass roots, trying to figure out how to sell us music. Here's a hint, stop promoting **** that only appeals to 12-19 year olds. TV and Film companies know that quality sells to the much needed 18-35 market. Its like the music industry is stuck in the "reality TV" type phase right now, i.e. tossing out cheap garbage.
I hate the music industry for even suggesting that they have some sort of entitlement on profits from a music player. I'm sure Jobs laughed in their faces when they said this to him.
Music companies need to get back to grass roots, trying to figure out how to sell us music. Here's a hint, stop promoting **** that only appeals to 12-19 year olds. TV and Film companies know that quality sells to the much needed 18-35 market. Its like the music industry is stuck in the "reality TV" type phase right now, i.e. tossing out cheap garbage.
Fine then...Let's set up a contribution network. The artists have accounts created and we post payments _directly to them_. I have several ACDC Albums (yes albums) and CDs, and even some ITMS downloads, so I figure 1$ per album directly to the artist is probably a huge direct percentage...If this really is about the artists then fine...to hell with the record companies, they already got their money from the agreements with $bands.
Define both sides of the model
While I am a total proponent of proper reimbursement for use of copyrighted materials, I totally don't believe in a "hardware tax" to the publisher when there are no "rules of engagement."
I am a law abiding ethical citizen that has paid hard cash for all 950 CDs in my collection and ripped onto my iTunes. I also have bought a couple hundred songs from the Apple Music Store. So I despise paying a hardware tax that assumes that I have been or will be playing illegal music.
Such "taxes" have been placed on blank cassette tapes and "Music" CDRs with the assumption that anything you record on it will be copyrighted materials. At least in that case, it is associated with a "fair use right".
In this case, you pay the tax, but you are still not given any new right from Universal Music. Its not like you get X number of songs with the purchase, or the "right" to play non-paid-for music. You just pay the tax.
Define both sides of the model so we get something for what we pay for. Or don't do it.
Jim
While I am a total proponent of proper reimbursement for use of copyrighted materials, I totally don't believe in a "hardware tax" to the publisher when there are no "rules of engagement."
I am a law abiding ethical citizen that has paid hard cash for all 950 CDs in my collection and ripped onto my iTunes. I also have bought a couple hundred songs from the Apple Music Store. So I despise paying a hardware tax that assumes that I have been or will be playing illegal music.
Such "taxes" have been placed on blank cassette tapes and "Music" CDRs with the assumption that anything you record on it will be copyrighted materials. At least in that case, it is associated with a "fair use right".
In this case, you pay the tax, but you are still not given any new right from Universal Music. Its not like you get X number of songs with the purchase, or the "right" to play non-paid-for music. You just pay the tax.
Define both sides of the model so we get something for what we pay for. Or don't do it.
Jim
I can feel an ad campain starting now.
iPod Red -> money to charity
Zune -> money to big business
As someone who has invested a huge sum of money in CD's that I now store on my PC and iPod I really resent this move. SRSound makes a good description of the state of the music industry at the moment. As such it's business model clearly sucks. Let us hope that the time is ripe for the indie labels to come along an get a fair crack of the whip. There is so much good music out there that the industry hides from us. By this I mean the record labels over hyping one or two artists. The radio and TV stations having such a limited playlist that you hear the same drivel every 5 mins, when some muppet isn't spouting a load of crap. The challenge to all is to get more bands / performers into our minds. iTunes and others can help with this. Weekly freedownloads are great but limited to one artist. Previews on iTunes should be full length. I could tolerate a reduction in quality if I could get to hear more of a track before purchase. Radio stations or Podcasts dedicated to genres of music.
And please lets get rid of this over produced music and get to hear something a little closer to what me and me mates could do ourselves.
iPod Red -> money to charity
Zune -> money to big business
As someone who has invested a huge sum of money in CD's that I now store on my PC and iPod I really resent this move. SRSound makes a good description of the state of the music industry at the moment. As such it's business model clearly sucks. Let us hope that the time is ripe for the indie labels to come along an get a fair crack of the whip. There is so much good music out there that the industry hides from us. By this I mean the record labels over hyping one or two artists. The radio and TV stations having such a limited playlist that you hear the same drivel every 5 mins, when some muppet isn't spouting a load of crap. The challenge to all is to get more bands / performers into our minds. iTunes and others can help with this. Weekly freedownloads are great but limited to one artist. Previews on iTunes should be full length. I could tolerate a reduction in quality if I could get to hear more of a track before purchase. Radio stations or Podcasts dedicated to genres of music.
And please lets get rid of this over produced music and get to hear something a little closer to what me and me mates could do ourselves.
Hahahaha....Classic....
This entire concept of giving a cut is ridiculous and does not make economic sense....It is going to go away really soon...
It sounds to me like they are saying anyone that buys a digital music player is a thief. They are broadly accusing each of us of stealing from artists. I don't appreciate that, and I think we should all voice our disapproval.
Universal Music Group:
USA (212) 841 8000
France +33 1 44 41 91 91
UK +44 0 20 77 47 4000
feedback_fr@vivendi.com
Phone calls are more effective than email, but feel free to do either.
Nothing can change the fact that the Zune is a clunker.
Hmmm - maybe if it came with pre-installed video:
Mr. Hanky the Christmas Zune.
excellent!
How many years have we had the iPod? and this is the Microsofts first dip in the music ocean? Not only has this ship saled but it has been on a round the world cruse, got funky with some plugins, had a few kids, a face lift or two. Saled back to the Zune boat yard laughed, moonied, got funky with more plugins had more kids, grew in inteligence and moved the goalposts again and again and again.
I hear that the Zune2 is to be released around 2012....may be a little later in time to work with Longhorn or whatever they are calling it now. lol
I hear that the Zune2 is to be released around 2012....may be a little later in time to work with Longhorn or whatever they are calling it now. lol