animefan_1 said:
OMFG!!!!!!!!!!
I wouldn't call anything from those creeps "optimistic". They've been wrong about a million times. Yes, i know that's technically impossible, but they suck that bad.
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OMFG!!!!!!!!!!
I wouldn't call anything from those creeps "optimistic". They've been wrong about a million times. Yes, i know that's technically impossible, but they suck that bad.
Apple feeding fake rumors, OR...
TS might be intentionally releasing bogus info to diminish their positive track record and/or to get back at Apple by upsetting the rumor-followers with gloom and doom reports. Who knows.
Regardless of what they release, I'm putting in a rec at work for the highest end machine as soon as it's announced.
TS might be intentionally releasing bogus info to diminish their positive track record and/or to get back at Apple by upsetting the rumor-followers with gloom and doom reports. Who knows.
Regardless of what they release, I'm putting in a rec at work for the highest end machine as soon as it's announced.
eating pc dust...
I'm with you. At least they have REAL HARDWARE (but crappy software).
Dont Hurt Me said:
I'm with you. At least they have REAL HARDWARE (but crappy software).
ncoffey said:
What object-x, Neo or whatever is saying....
It doesn't matter what 98% of the installed base is using (will buy next)
There is a new market coming... one that will create new users/buyers...
MS has the monopoly on the railoads... fine!
... but the railroads won't get you or me where we want to go!
Someone(s) gonna' be left behind!
P.S. Best post you've ever written!
Well I don't doubt that Jobs is a visionary but at the same time I think a little too much kool-aid is being passed around. I know it sounds anecdotal, but I don't see signs of people itching to abandon ship and switch to Apple.
I mean, even if MS screwed up with Longhorn, they're still going to be around. Let's not even talk about Win 95/98/ME. The picture wasn't pretty, but hey the dust has settled and MS is still chugging away.
Also, you know I was only a young chum back then but during the 80s Apple was rocking, it's stock was soaring like it had recently, and sooner or later they took a big fall. Could be Deja Vu, we'll see.
I mean, even if MS screwed up with Longhorn, they're still going to be around. Let's not even talk about Win 95/98/ME. The picture wasn't pretty, but hey the dust has settled and MS is still chugging away.
Also, you know I was only a young chum back then but during the 80s Apple was rocking, it's stock was soaring like it had recently, and sooner or later they took a big fall. Could be Deja Vu, we'll see.
As I read all this I keep thinking of Osarda's post in the other PM Spec thread as well as the Special Apple event at NAB on April 20th. Apple may still pull a rabbit out of a hat before this week is over 
Rower_CPU said:
I don't know how publishing fake rumors would hurt Apple (aside from stupid analysts who listen to rumors). If Apple were to put out a machine that's better than what TS rumored, then TS loses (some) credibility and Apple gains praise. Win-win...for Apple.
dicklacara said:
Well the least you could say is Apple failed to make a significant impact in the personal computer market and is looking down other avenues for new opportunities.
I think most people in here have a gripe with the pathetic progress Apple has been making with their Power line of products. That's why many of us won't let this subject go.
I just registered!Cooknn said:As I read all this I keep thinking of Osarda's post in the other PM Spec thread as well as the Special Apple event at NAB on April 20th. Apple may still pull a rabbit out of a hat before this week is over
Guess I'll be winging my way into McCarran on the way to the LVCC...
I think this is good news as there should be price drops.
Price drops= me get powermac over iMac. But if they dont drop then I will be pissed... I expect to be able to get the bottem line PM in Dual for the same price as the current Single 1.8.
Price drops= me get powermac over iMac
. But if they dont drop then I will be pissed... I expect to be able to get the bottem line PM in Dual for the same price as the current Single 1.8.
I bet Apple is using disinformation to find the leak. Think about it this way, give the underlings all different PowerMac configs that are "going" to be released, see which one ends up on the internet, and BAM!, you've narrowed down the number of people that the leak could be.
I hope I'm right, for Apple's sake.
I hope I'm right, for Apple's sake.
calyxman said:Well the least you could say is Apple failed to make a significant impact in the personal computer market and is looking down other avenues for new opportunities.
I think most people in here have a gripe with the pathetic progress Apple has been making with their Power line of products. That's why many of us won't let this subject go.
Where were you in 1976-1984?
I was in Silicon Vally.
Apple created the personal computer market (as we know it) with the Apple ][ (bought mine in 1978 $1699 point something MHz 6502 4KB (as in thousand Bytes) RAM cassette tape I/O.
SJ won't forget the personal computer-- be happy, you're gonna get a PM Pro!
No worries about no dual-core; this just allows for IBM & Apple to announce a Dual-Core ; a proper unit I might add; in June/July and with significant improvements. Timing just wasnt right; and I'm sure we'll all be glad when the dual core G5 trounces the Intel/AMD dual-core concerto.
the (FSB) MHz myth
Apple: DDR 400 MHz dual channel (PC3200)
Dell: DDR2 533 MHz dual channel (PC4200)
So, Apple is using an 800 MHz memory bus, and Dell a 1066 MHz.
What's the point in bragging about an FSB that is sitting idle waiting for 800 MHz memory?
(ps: and the 2.7 might have a 900 MHz FSB - which would be just as fast at waiting for 800 MHz memory )
Hattig said:
Apple: DDR 400 MHz dual channel (PC3200)
Dell: DDR2 533 MHz dual channel (PC4200)
So, Apple is using an 800 MHz memory bus, and Dell a 1066 MHz.
What's the point in bragging about an FSB that is sitting idle waiting for 800 MHz memory?
(ps: and the 2.7 might have a 900 MHz FSB - which would be just as fast at waiting for 800 MHz memory
)
animefan_1 said:
True. I guess I was thinking more along the lines of the typical "buy the rumor, sell the news" mentality - mainstream news has picked up on TS' reports in the past and Apple (allegedly) under-delivering on hardware could cause some folks to sell.
Again, it's nothing but conjecture, but hey, on a day when Adobe announces they're buying Macromedia why not throw out conventional wisdom?
AidenShaw said:Apple: DDR 400 MHz dual channel (PC3200)
Dell: DDR2 533 MHz dual channel (PC4200)
So, Apple is using an 800 MHz memory bus, and Dell a 1066 MHz.
What's the point in bragging about an FSB that is sitting idle waiting for 800 MHz memory?
(ps: and the 2.7 might have a 900 MHz FSB - which would be just as fast at waiting for 800 MHz memory
This is a very good point your are bringing up here. Just cuz you have a fast CPU doesn't mean its running as optimal as it could be. Athlon XP? It was stuck with a measly 400Mhz FSB. On the other hand, A64 opened that up to "800FSB", if you will. With no Northbridge to speak with, memory bandwidth literally equals HTT speed (which at its introduction was 800Mhz).
You also forgot one thing, however. Latencies. Efficiency. Both things that everything Intel (but the Pentium-M) lack. Even with a massive 1066Mhz FSB, the EE barely improves.
http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2261&p=3
Massive memory bandwidth means nothing if you got Intel's craptacular long pipelines and low IPC.
Ok fine, I'll let you win on the issue of Apple hitting it big outside the PC market. If that's the case, then please Apple, once and for all, open the license to the OS and let us install it on our own custom built machines.... please ?
BTW, this is off topic but I'm watching the Phoenix Suns smash the Denver Nuggets and the score at half-time is 75-57. Go Phoenix!
? BTW, this is off topic but I'm watching the Phoenix Suns smash the Denver Nuggets and the score at half-time is 75-57. Go Phoenix!
Time for plan B???
1. PLEASE PLEASE stop all this talk of Apple leaking "disinformation" to Thinksecret. That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of. Why would they bother? What would they gain other than cheap thrills from watching a bunch of Macheads with too much time on their hands ranting on Macrumors? Plus, from what little I know about security laws, it's illegal for Apple to spread false information about what it may or may not do.
2. This boutique CPU strategy is clearly not working for Apple and IBM. IBM doesn't seem to have a whole lot of incentive to get this right for Apple. Apple simply is not a big enough customer for them to develop a custom processor. (Yes, I know the 970s are used in IBM's server lines, but it's a drop in the bucket for them.) It was the same case with Motorola; they were far more interested in marketing the G4 for the embedded market than they were for Macs. I don't see why it should be any different with IBM.
3. So Apple has two choices: bring OS X on x86 or make the Cell work for OS X. The Cell is an unproven processor, but at least it has several other customers with large demand. Sure, the transition will be rough. But I really see no other alternative--I just don't have any faith in the G4/G5 line.
1. PLEASE PLEASE stop all this talk of Apple leaking "disinformation" to Thinksecret. That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of. Why would they bother? What would they gain other than cheap thrills from watching a bunch of Macheads with too much time on their hands ranting on Macrumors? Plus, from what little I know about security laws, it's illegal for Apple to spread false information about what it may or may not do.
2. This boutique CPU strategy is clearly not working for Apple and IBM. IBM doesn't seem to have a whole lot of incentive to get this right for Apple. Apple simply is not a big enough customer for them to develop a custom processor. (Yes, I know the 970s are used in IBM's server lines, but it's a drop in the bucket for them.) It was the same case with Motorola; they were far more interested in marketing the G4 for the embedded market than they were for Macs. I don't see why it should be any different with IBM.
3. So Apple has two choices: bring OS X on x86 or make the Cell work for OS X. The Cell is an unproven processor, but at least it has several other customers with large demand. Sure, the transition will be rough. But I really see no other alternative--I just don't have any faith in the G4/G5 line.
Macrumors said:
ThinkSecret adds to their previous report on upcoming PowerMac G5s.
According to the rumor site, the innards of the PowerMacs will not be dramatically improved. No PCI-X 2.0 or PCI Express slots. No Blue-Ray support, and only single-core PowerPC 970FX processors -- and not the 970MP processors that has been long hoped for.
ThinkSecret places PowerMac, eMac and iMac updates in the next "two weeks".
Okay.
So does that mean these features will arive in a long awaited "workstation class" Mac?
Or YA X-serve"?
Rocketman
Lightwave for multi-core processor
Maybe it doesn't mean anything but I doubt it:
"NewTek today announced the forthcoming release of the free 8.3 update to LightWave 3D. The company said it has optimized the software for multi-core processor systems. Following NewTeks 64-bit beta announcement, LightWave 3D is "leading the industry again" as "the first professional 3D graphics application to provide optimization and support for multi-core technology." Multi-core processor technology provides the power of two processors on a single chip. The release will be available to registered owners of LightWave as a free download within a few days."
Why would they do that if it's not coming soon?
Maybe it doesn't mean anything but I doubt it:
"NewTek today announced the forthcoming release of the free 8.3 update to LightWave 3D. The company said it has optimized the software for multi-core processor systems. Following NewTeks 64-bit beta announcement, LightWave 3D is "leading the industry again" as "the first professional 3D graphics application to provide optimization and support for multi-core technology." Multi-core processor technology provides the power of two processors on a single chip. The release will be available to registered owners of LightWave as a free download within a few days."
Why would they do that if it's not coming soon?
That is Awesome!
Right On! my 2.5 will still be near the high end of Apple machines!
Actually this sucks cause I want to brag about how much better are computers are over a win tel box with truth/reality AND with some processor #s
Macrumors said:
ThinkSecret adds to their previous report on upcoming PowerMac G5s.
According to the rumor site, the innards of the PowerMacs will not be dramatically improved. No PCI-X 2.0 or PCI Express slots. No Blue-Ray support, and only single-core PowerPC 970FX processors -- and not the 970MP processors that has been long hoped for.
ThinkSecret places PowerMac, eMac and iMac updates in the next "two weeks".
Right On! my 2.5 will still be near the high end of Apple machines!
Actually this sucks cause I want to brag about how much better are computers are over a win tel box with truth/reality AND with some processor #s
dongmin said:
I second this! At the VERY LEAST, TS might have lost some of their sources in the lawsuit, thus leading to a slightly greater possibility that the rumor will turn out to be false. BUT PLEASE STOP WITH THIS CONSPIRACY BULL****!
If Apple doesn't like what TS finds out and reports, they sue them and get paid. That's all there is to it.
The "misinformation" theory is absolutely ridiculous. People, please!
Here are a couple of facts:
1. ThinkSecret has been the BEST rumor producer in the last couple of years. Anyone who wants to ridicule the fact that they predicted a few more software products at NAB than were release are being fools. They predicted a software release! ThinkSecret is so far ahead of the other rumor sites it is absurd. They are basically the only source of rumors that are worth a damn. MacOSRumors is complete trash. I could write that nonsense.
2. The idea of Apple spreading false information is ridiculous as well. First of all, if Apple could smoke out the source of ThinkSecret's info, they haven't yet. Second, Apple would have to spread *different* disinformation to different groups of people in order to smoke anyone out. Third, it would be a securities law violation if Apple got caught. This is also why Apple and Thinksecret most assuredly didn't make a legal settlement that obligates one party to propulgate lies! Oh my Gosh, that is ridonkulous. Fourth, the day Apple finds out who the leak is they would fire him/her. Think about it. Do you really think Apple would, in effect, hold them hostage and force them to spread false rumors? Think about it. Jobs would do a little yelling and he'd be gone. End of story.
3. That being said, ThinkSecret isn't right about everything. But they aren't wrong because of some Apple-conspiracy. They are just wrong sometimes. Incomplete information. The best hope right now is that TS got some of the details wrong. But, like I pointed out in #1, that is less likely that most of you would like to believe.
4. The Microsoft conversation is dumb.
Here are a couple of facts:
1. ThinkSecret has been the BEST rumor producer in the last couple of years. Anyone who wants to ridicule the fact that they predicted a few more software products at NAB than were release are being fools. They predicted a software release! ThinkSecret is so far ahead of the other rumor sites it is absurd. They are basically the only source of rumors that are worth a damn. MacOSRumors is complete trash. I could write that nonsense.
2. The idea of Apple spreading false information is ridiculous as well. First of all, if Apple could smoke out the source of ThinkSecret's info, they haven't yet. Second, Apple would have to spread *different* disinformation to different groups of people in order to smoke anyone out. Third, it would be a securities law violation if Apple got caught. This is also why Apple and Thinksecret most assuredly didn't make a legal settlement that obligates one party to propulgate lies! Oh my Gosh, that is ridonkulous. Fourth, the day Apple finds out who the leak is they would fire him/her. Think about it. Do you really think Apple would, in effect, hold them hostage and force them to spread false rumors? Think about it. Jobs would do a little yelling and he'd be gone. End of story.
3. That being said, ThinkSecret isn't right about everything. But they aren't wrong because of some Apple-conspiracy. They are just wrong sometimes. Incomplete information. The best hope right now is that TS got some of the details wrong. But, like I pointed out in #1, that is less likely that most of you would like to believe.
4. The Microsoft conversation is dumb.
