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Verizon Teaser Updated: Captures 720p

Verizon has updated their teaser so that it now says "Captures 720p".

I guess Steve Jobs can breathe a sigh of relief (if he was ever actually holding is breath).
 
720p is generally considered to be 720 by 1280, although there may be some other formats that fudge that. If they call it 720p and it's a lower resolution, they are going to get called on it in a big way.
Not really. 1024x768 is 720p with non-square pixels, and visually indistinguishable in almost all cases from 1366x768 with square pixels. Display manufacturers have been doing this for close to a decade without being called on it, because there's nothing to call.

720p requires 720 lines of resolution in a widescreen physical format.
If it's 720 by 480 or something, then most people would consider calling that 720p lying.
720x480 would be 480i/p.
For some retarded reason, "720p" usually refers to the VERTICAL resolution.
Because television monitors are traditionally rated in lines of resolution.
Since the Droid is a phone, its vertical resolution is the highest, as opposed to laptops and desktops and TV screens
Yes, but a portrait orientation isn't 720p, since the requirements are 720 vertical lines in a 16:9 format.
 
As far as how many tvs can sync to the iphones videos wirelessly, probably none, I was just saying who wants to deal with cables. Eventually if it doesn't already, the iTV or some media device will be able to receive commands right from your cell phone and seamlessly display whatever you tell it to play! Wires are a thing of the past, sooner or later.

Well, considering that what you're talking about doesn't yet exist, we don't have much choice to use cables, do we?

The minimum 720p format is 960x720, but that's nonsquare pixels and is just a codec. Considering the droid is a 16x9 form factor and is made up of square pixels like all LCDs, then I assume it would be 1280x720.

And even 960x720 is higher than the new iPhone and would be extremely impressive. But there's no way anyone would consider 720x480 to be 720p. It's possible it's a lower resolution, but in that case likely that they'll say the 720p is talking about the hdmi output.

UPDATE to story!

...which still doesn't confirm anything. Could be a mistake/mislead on the droid website, could be that the prototype is different than the final version.

Does no one ever bother investigating anything anymore??

What part of "apparently" don't you understand? WE STILL DON'T KNOW.


For some retarded reason, "720p" usually refers to the VERTICAL resolution. Since the Droid is a phone, its vertical resolution is the highest, as opposed to laptops and desktops and TV screens, where the vertical resolution is the smallest due to the horizontal aspect ratio. Traditionally, the horizontal resolution is the one that comes first in a normal coordinate system such as (x, y) where x is the horizontal and y is the vertical component.

Except that for watching video, you turn it sideways. There's no way they're going to call 720x480 or something 720p, if it's a lower resolution they'll clarify that 720p is talking about video out.
 
Verizon has updated their teaser so that it now says "Captures 720p".

I guess Steve Jobs can breathe a sigh of relief (if he was ever actually holding is breath).


Don't wanna tell you guys that I told you so, but........;)
 
Yet another display for developers to support. How many does this make? How many handsets? How many versions of the OS out there? Today I read the latest is only on 50% of the handsets out there, and the article was praising the latest figures, like wow, 50% of handsets are running the latest OS version.

Wait. Are you talking about Android or iOS ? It's hard to tell.

There are millions of iPhones and iPod touches runniing older OS versions... and either unable to update to the latest version or use all its features.

There are also millions of iOS devices with fragmented hardware specs. Most have GPS, some not. Some have a compass, some not. Three different screen resolutions now, too.
 
Apple will come out with a replacement for its TV appliance (AppleTV) that will be small, based on the A4 and WiFi and with the HDMI interface (and probably a tuner) that you are asking for. I would rather have one of these attached to my screen than have my actual iPhone or iPod Touch attached to an HDMI cable, even if I had to carry that around as an accessory.

HDMI on an iphone doesn't do anything for me.

Once your iPhone is tethered to a TV, it isn't a phone, game machine or anything else for that matter. It's just a storage device.

what you mean to say my friend is

if your phone has an HDMI hookup then 'they blew it' :p
 
Apple will come out with a replacement for its TV appliance (AppleTV) that will be small, based on the A4 and WiFi and with the HDMI interface (and probably a tuner) that you are asking for. I would rather have one of these attached to my screen than have my actual iPhone or iPod Touch attached to an HDMI cable, even if I had to carry that around as an accessory.

HDMI on an iphone doesn't do anything for me.

Once your iPhone is tethered to a TV, it isn't a phone, game machine or anything else for that matter. It's just a storage device.

Oh you...First try proper sentence structure, before you start calling names. He is, in fact, quite critical of Apple at times, but you knew this, right? Please, before you start making baseless accusations, do lurk more.



Let's talk about this for a second, shall we. For one, the Droid X is a lower resolution screen (800 x 480), as many, many, many people have already said. Reading is awesome. Unless they upgraded the screen in the short period between the demo given a few weeks ago and now (not happening), the display is, and will be, a lower resolution. Since you're so set on fanboy crazes, it should do you well to know that this is from engadget, a notoriously anti-apple site. Here's the quote:

And no, they didn't change the final production model in a week to include a higher res screen; this **** has to be tested extensively first.

As for the video out; no, I won't love it. Clearly you have no concept of true high-def movies, no, rather of any codecs at all. This Droid X is only pushing 720p. Whoop de do. Will it play mkvs? No. This means your "HD" iTunes releases can be played at their naive resolution, but of course we all know this isn't really high-def and of course the Droid doesn't even have iTunes in the first place. Furthermore, its not going to be pushing DTS or anything else, so I say why bother? If your only point is to "play it on a large plasma or LCD" you also clearly forget about display technologies too... but that's a different point. The bottom line is this; all that 720p out is going to enable you to do is the following: 1) have ****** battery life (as in really crappy), 2) have a ****** picture from your low res file, 3) force you to buy SD memory to hold your ****** file (this is a droid, after all), 4) and have ****** sound. It's a lot of ****.

A good 720p-1080p rip that's not TrueHD or anything crazy like that takes 8-20 GB, something you're not going to have on a phone. Most of my 720p rips are 8-15GB. Sounds real practical, right? Plus can the battery even last a whole movie with output like that? I mean if you're near a TV, you'd be better just to plug in the HTPC that's near it, or a laptop, or a desktop... there's just so many better options.

Also, did you know the GUI isn't hardware accelerated? Enjoy your 720p with that.

no name calling - btw i was typing from my iphone - so my mistake for not checking my sentence structure on such a small screen :p

BTW - you are mistaken - Engadget is the furthest thing from an anti apple site. And you stating such really makes your rant hardly legitimate.

YOU ARE THE FANBOY - and a troll at that.

I know a 550 mb divx compressed video 720p looks pretty good on my 50" Panny Plasma

SO no i would still love video out on my iphone.

Tell you what - when the iphone 4GS has video out i'm going to stuff your fanboy reply down your throat and hope you choke on it.

You will - in fact all of you will love video out on your iphone.

This i command.
 
Motorola have great products....

... Well if you do not read between the lines..

From ENGADGET:
Update: We just confirmed that the Droid X prototype we saw had an 854 x 480 display, so we'll have to see if Motorola and Verizon have a serious surprise for us come Wednesday -- we know at least one Engadget editor who's crossing his fingers.

Update 2: Sure enough, Verizon has changed the ad to read "Captures 720p" instead of "720p screen," so that would basically confirm the 854 x 480 display. A nerd can dream, though! See the revised site after the break.

While I cannot judge on the Android system and such, my experience with the Iphone has been great (and with rare dropped calls from ATT.) I am an Apple fan because of the experience i am enjoying on everything they do... From hardware to software to customer support and experience in the stores... For me, when I buy Apple, I have the security that things have been well thought of... And this has no price...

The App store is great, the apps are a plenty to choose from, Itunes has whatever I need, I will not seek something different unless something monumental happens to Apple Quality of products...

I look at the Android fans as people who have not been able to get what they needed from Microsoft (i bet that if MS has a viable solution for a phone OS they would be on Windows phone, always trying to find a way to 'Tweak' the system, a way to put add-ons to modify the system behavior...) Maybe I am wrong, maybe i am right...

A phone is a phone: no need for it to have a 10 Mega pixels camera, OS level tweaks... Make calls, receive emails, text, play games, have apps to manage my bills, my contacts... I am convinced that pretty soon, Droid Ads will say "... Can make the coffee too!"

'nuff said!
 
Not really. 1024x768 is 720p with non-square pixels, and visually indistinguishable in almost all cases from 1366x768 with square pixels. Display manufacturers have been doing this for close to a decade without being called on it, because there's nothing to call.
I think you've been at the wrong forum. They were called on it quite a bit, techie HT people were shunning early 42" plasmas because of this. That was before the tech was advanced enough to make plasma cells small enough to fit HD rez in 42". Now we even have true 1920x1080 in 42".

Because television monitors are traditionally rated in lines of resolution.
Interestingly, this did change with the advent of HDTV. If you go back to SD years, you see marketing of "700 lines" in high-end TVs, which was actually a reference to counting horizontally, getting close to the true 720x480 of NTSC/SDTV. It fooled people all the time, we must have some in-born assumption that it means vertical counting, because most people seem to assume it does.
 
re: droid

You know, all the resolution BS aside, (no way in hell its really 720p), I think these guys are really grasping at straws here to out do the iPhone. Between the Evo @ 4.3" and the Droid @ 4.4"...... OMFG those things are massive! I consider the iPhone to be right at the limit sizewise as to what can be comfortably carried in my pocket, and also not look like I'm really happy to see someone. I can't imagine what it would be like to ram the Evo or Droid X into my pocket. Aside from being uncomfortable, ppl are going to look like dorks.
 
Yep, it now says "Captures 720p".

Everyone as you were.

There you go, turns out it was just a mistake. The notion that they would actually release a lower resolution but call it 720p was pretty ridiculous.

Not really. 1024x768 is 720p with non-square pixels, and visually indistinguishable in almost all cases from 1366x768 with square pixels. Display manufacturers have been doing this for close to a decade without being called on it, because there's nothing to call.

Like I said, that specific format fudges it. But in this case, some were insisting they would call 720x480 720p, which they would absolutely get hammered for. Turns out it was just a mistake on the part of the web developer.

720p requires 720 lines of resolution in a widescreen physical format.

720x480 would be 480i/p.

My point exactly.

Don't wanna tell you guys that I told you so, but........;)

You said that they would try and get away with calling a lower resolution 720p. Considering they changed their site, sure doesn't look like it - it was just a mistake.
 
no name calling - btw i was typing from my iphone - so my mistake for not checking my sentence structure on such a small screen :p

BTW - you are mistaken - Engadget is the furthest thing from an anti apple site. And you stating such really makes your rant hardly legitimate.

YOU ARE THE FANBOY - and a troll at that.

I know a 550 mb divx compressed video 720p looks pretty good on my 50" Panny Plasma

SO no i would still love video out on my iphone.

Tell you what - when the iphone 4GS has video out i'm going to stuff your fanboy reply down your throat and hope you choke on it.

You will - in fact all of you will love video out on your iphone.

This i command.


you lose dude, LOL.
 
I have good hope in Facetime in the new iphone. A slightly bigger screen and 720p on a phone don't attract me a lot. I think a fluent OS and great capability is much more important. It will be interesting to see how good Droid can be. But HDMI output...???? Better off.
 
seems like its just as useless as a front facing camera on an iphone that you will barely use, and in order to use it you MSUT be on wifi and other person must have an iphone 4. that seems pretty useless given the fact that wifi isn't every place you go and if your home a normal person will just use a computer

will you d*cks please stop beatching about the wifi-only facetime??? it will obviously come to cellular networks when they manage the throughput so it doesn't bog the whole pipeline down -- if you had 10 million iphones facetiming and the whole att network slowed to a crawl you'd be nonstop beatching about that too.

i'm so glad apple takes its time in delivering features, like multitasking, cut/paste, etc etc, tethering, all the things you boys kvetch about morning to night... because when they do deliver products they work, and work well, not just a bunch of specs that have no real world traction. apple takes great pride in fully testing and developing features before throwing it out the door... unlike many other companies we could name. so, i for one am happy to wait for things because i know when i get it, it will work.
 
Great to see competition. Great hardware specs. But I have to agree with the many who have pointed out that... this thing is butt ugly. The add itself is hideous too. I get the look they're trying to achieve, but it could have been done way better.
 
will you d*cks please stop beatching about the wifi-only facetime???

Didn't you get the memo? People here are never satisfied. Apple could make an iPhone that prints $20 bills and people would complain that it doesn't print them fast enough.
 
... Well if you do not read between the lines..

From ENGADGET:
Update: We just confirmed that the Droid X prototype we saw had an 854 x 480 display, so we'll have to see if Motorola and Verizon have a serious surprise for us come Wednesday -- we know at least one Engadget editor who's crossing his fingers.

Update 2: Sure enough, Verizon has changed the ad to read "Captures 720p" instead of "720p screen," so that would basically confirm the 854 x 480 display. A nerd can dream, though! See the revised site after the break.

While I cannot judge on the Android system and such, my experience with the Iphone has been great (and with rare dropped calls from ATT.) I am an Apple fan because of the experience i am enjoying on everything they do... From hardware to software to customer support and experience in the stores... For me, when I buy Apple, I have the security that things have been well thought of... And this has no price...

The App store is great, the apps are a plenty to choose from, Itunes has whatever I need, I will not seek something different unless something monumental happens to Apple Quality of products...

I look at the Android fans as people who have not been able to get what they needed from Microsoft (i bet that if MS has a viable solution for a phone OS they would be on Windows phone, always trying to find a way to 'Tweak' the system, a way to put add-ons to modify the system behavior...) Maybe I am wrong, maybe i am right...

A phone is a phone: no need for it to have a 10 Mega pixels camera, OS level tweaks... Make calls, receive emails, text, play games, have apps to manage my bills, my contacts... I am convinced that pretty soon, Droid Ads will say "... Can make the coffee too!"

'nuff said!

Plus most of the people who want Nexus One can't get their mom to buy them one, as reflected in the low sales of Nexus One.

Droid doesn't (have a display to compete with iPhone 4).

LOL Good one.


Didn't you get the memo? People here are never satisfied. Apple could make an iPhone that prints $20 bills and people would complain that it doesn't print them fast enough.

Why won't it produce pennies? It's completely useless without it! =p
 
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