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You mean like how Apple put up images of the iPad showing what appeared to be Flash-based websites loading properly, when Steve Jobs' own attempts at loading the same site when unveiling the iPad showed the infamous blue box?

Yeah...

I think the website in question was the NYTimes.com. Which was updated for the iPad release. No blue boxes.
 
You mean like how Apple put up images of the iPad showing what appeared to be Flash-based websites loading properly, when Steve Jobs' own attempts at loading the same site when unveiling the iPad showed the infamous blue box?

Yeah...

The problem is, those sites are made with HTML5 versions and works on iPad, as shown in Keynote.

Only some ads didn't show. You must LOVE ads? :rolleyes:
 
How is this different to the iPhone. Anyone order a 3GS this year? oops. Obsolete. Anyone order an iPhone 4? Guess what, 11 months time... obsolete.

That's true, but stood incredible was released about 1 month ago, and now delis X is coming out...
 
Engadget has a preview and they think the screen is only 854x480 http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/15/exclusive-motorola-droid-x-preview/

Most likely it just means it can play back 720p video on the device.

The problem is, those sites are made with HTML5 versions.

Only some ads didn't show. You must LOVE ads? :rolleyes:

In all fairness, the HTML5 of NY Times was not ready at the presentation and launch of the iPad. The main story on the NY Times site was a blue box due to this during the keynote.

I still hate flash though...
 
In all fairness, the HTML5 of NY Times was not ready at the presentation and launch of the iPad. The main story on the NY Times site was a blue box due to this during the keynote.

I still hate flash though...

No, in all fairness, the plugin icon was where a video link was. The NYT articles all appeared normally. Even still, the difference here is that Verizon was trying to explicitely advertise a fake spec, while Apple merely had a photo that didn't accurately represent iPad browsing.
 
Yawn! Here we go again.
Verizon not Moto is behind this. Besides, Verizon is going to loose as well as the consumer. why? Because the consumers on the droid side are trying to keep up with every little tech bit that the cell phone guys can come up with. In effect they're spending way more money trying to stay on the cutting edge of a product that they buy essentially for its initial hype.
They buy one droid phone and in less than 3 week there is another droid phone.
Now Verizon has to sale this new Droid X just weeks after they went gaga over the incredible.
And this sh** is never ending. The HTC EVO, the Incredible and now the Droid X are all out there to squash the iphone. Ha ha!!!!

I agree. This is going back to the old days of cellphones where makers just kept making new handsets non stop trying to churn stuff out.

Then you end up with a confused consumer who has to choose between almost identical products and ends up sacrificing specific functionality because one phone lacks what another phone has.

There is no generational improvement or step up. Every android handset is absolutely new it feels like and unrelated.

With the iPhone people know what they are getting and know that the iPhone 4 will be more capable than the previous iPhone they had. Unlike switching from droid phones where you actually risk losing functionality and capability when upgrading. It is a horrible dynamic for the consumer, and it is ultimately designed to confuse and befuddle consumers.

It is funny to see Apple set the smartphone market on its ear and then see these stupid competitors go back to their same old tricks just this time all fighting over the same commodity base of android. it is ridiculous.
 
Sorry, that's totally incorrect. Unless you're trying to shift the entire electronic marketing paradigm...

Too many examples to list. Megapixels, Gigahertz, battery life, resolution, size, weight, people definitely do care about specs.

Actually, no. The average *person* doesn't care about the specs. They care *only* whether it will do what they want it to do. Unfortunately, most manufacturers don't put any more thought into their marketing than "It has these specs! How amazing!", relying on specs to sell their products, rather than trying to convey its capabilities.

The average *computer geek* on the other hand, is overly hung up on the specs to the exclusion of everything else. "I don't care if it's easy to use, I want the fastest, highest-resolution, most RAM device I can buy!"

Unfortunately, most computer or consumer electronics companies are overpopulated with computer geeks. And message boards like this are populated almost *exclusively* with them. This sort of echo-chamber isn't the right place to get an idea of what the average person thinks on *any* topic.

Take someone shopping for their first computer. Do they ask how much RAM it has, or how fast the CPU is? No. They ask if it will let them do some task or another. The geek in us turns that into "are the specs high enough", but that's not actually what they asked.
 
You mean like how Apple put up images of the iPad showing what appeared to be Flash-based websites loading properly, when Steve Jobs' own attempts at loading the same site when unveiling the iPad showed the infamous blue box?

Yeah...

Flash isn't part of the hardware.
 
Actually, no. The average *person* doesn't care about the specs. They care *only* whether it will do what they want it to do. Unfortunately, most manufacturers don't put any more thought into their marketing than "It has these specs! How amazing!", relying on specs to sell their products, rather than trying to convey its capabilities.

The average *computer geek* on the other hand, is overly hung up on the specs to the exclusion of everything else. "I don't care if it's easy to use, I want the fastest, highest-resolution, most RAM device I can buy!"

Unfortunately, most computer or consumer electronics companies are overpopulated with computer geeks. And message boards like this are populated almost *exclusively* with them. This sort of echo-chamber isn't the right place to get an idea of what the average person thinks on *any* topic.

Take someone shopping for their first computer. Do they ask how much RAM it has, or how fast the CPU is? No. They ask if it will let them do some task or another. The geek in us turns that into "are the specs high enough", but that's not actually what they asked.

So very true. These Android dorks are in a constant state of frothing at the mouth over every new Android phone coming out seemingly every 5 minutes. They won't be satisfied until they have a 2ghz snapdragon, a 6" screen, an 18mp camera with 6x optical zoom and a resulting battery life of an hour and half. But hey, it runs flash and has an OMG Snapdragon!!!! I think I just pee'd myself Woooo hoooo!
 
This wasn't a "typo".

You really think Motorola/Verizon put up a website without checking it 10+ times for mistakes?

They tried to get attention by lying.

LOL, you have clearly not worked in a marketing department. Let me let you in on little secret, half the time 10 people are proofing they assume the last person looking at it already caught all the mistakes.

Ad's can sometimes move to fast near the end of the production cycle for all the mistakes to be caught. It happens more often than you think.
 
So very true. These Android dorks are in a constant state of frothing at the mouth over every new Android phone coming out seemingly every 5 minutes. They won't be satisfied until they have a 2ghz snapdragon, a 6" screen, an 18mp camera with 6x optical zoom and a resulting battery life of an hour and half. But hey, it runs flash and has an OMG Snapdragon!!!! I think I just pee'd myself Woooo hoooo!

+1 HAHA. And they call apple people fruity but that little green robot seems well..... you know. : ) Thats cool nothing wrong it by the way.

I am still in shock that goggle has fanboys. I wonder if webcrawler has some???

EDIT: Google gaga plans to have over a billion different phones released with Android by end of 2011. True story : )
 
Didn't you get the memo? People here are never satisfied. Apple could make an iPhone that prints $20 bills and people would complain that it doesn't print them fast enough.

Heck, some of the people here would complain that there was no 'choice' to print singles instead. :rolleyes:
 
I actually waited for years for Verizon to get the iPhone. Now I'm over it, my contract is up and I'll get a new iPhone this summer from AT&T

Buying a Droid/Google-based phone is entirely out of the question for me. I've had the WORST customer service issues with Google (ever tried getting a human being for tech support? When Google keeps charging you for a subscription you cant cancel because clicking the unsubscribe button brings up an error message?)

So any commercial product that has Google tech in it is just a no-no. A company that's unreachable for customers and completely veiled in useless decision-tree automated tech support can't expect to commercialize products and services.

Verizon has been great, but because the only viable alternative they offer runs on Google OS, I'll make the switch.

As a Nexus One owner, have you ever tried using your device outside? Seriously? I had a Nexus One, and if I was dying of a gunshot wound in the middle of the afternoon in a parking lot I wouldn't have been able to call 911 without crawling under a car to block the screen from the sun. As someone who actually enjoys going outside, the Nexus One is a crap phone. OLED is impossible to use outside, and that goes for my Nexus One and my crap Zune HD. If you are a cave dweller who lives in your moms basement, maybe OLED is great for you. I didn't care for it very much, as being outside is important to me.

Maybe they will counter the Retina display with Cave Display, when you hate going outside you will love our Cave Display Droid Phone.
 
I was surprised when Steve said that the iPhone screen was going to seethe trend for the next few years. I don't think he meant the dpi, just hi res screens are going to be the next big thin or something because I don't think Jobs is that shortsighted to make sub a wild claim.

thats exactly what he claimed, and it wasn't wild at all. as we now know, the motorola claim was a fraud or mistake, but i can't believe anyone thought it was even remotely possible in the first place. no one is surpassing the retina display for a long time.

like many Apple technologies, the retina display is overkill, and given the limitations of the human eye, there is no reason for anyone to spend the money to meet or exceed its resolution, other than bragging rights. While someone may do it for just that reason, they will wait until the technology is much more readily available and inexpensive.
 
I would imagine these companies should be smart enough to know that pulling a stunt like this will get people's attention in a negative way.

not AT ALL. the average consumer that saw the original ad will probably never know it was changed later. they don't read these message boards, they don't read Wired, they are not geeks. they will talk at bars or parties or wherever and say "Oh yeah, i saw that there's a Droid phone that's got even better resolution that the iPhone...." blah blah blah. and Motorola will have effectively undermined Apple's mindshare. It's how the marketing game is played.

Same with the CNN headlines about "recent iPad security scares" referring to AT&T's website breach which had nothing to do with iPad security. average consumers will remember that "oh, i heard the iPad is vulnerable too, just like Windows machines..." Thats how it goes:rolleyes:
 
As a Nexus One owner, have you ever tried using your device outside? Seriously? I had a Nexus One, and if I was dying of a gunshot wound in the middle of the afternoon in a parking lot I wouldn't have been able to call 911 without crawling under a car to block the screen from the sun.
Of course, you wouldn't have to worry about this if you had an "old style" phone with actual keys.

... Or voice activated dialing ("Call... Ambulance! {GASP}")
 
This is the biggest gripe that I have with the Droid. Even though I own one I'm tired of the interface. To update an app it takes at least 3 taps to get it to download for each and every app. As well as the fact that the same apps are supposedly updated every week with no visible changes. Also the speed of the OS really frustrates me. No comparison to the iPhone. I can't wait to get my iPhone 4.

Good luck with AT&T.
 
So this is how Verizon likes to play? Where is Moto and their tech geniuses to show off their wears like Apple? Why the heck is Verizon, the cellular provider doing all the talking? Ha ha!

What, Moto ain't got the b**** to come up on stage and do it like Apple?
People, please! Verizon just showed off the Incredible and now they are going to kick the Incredible to the curb(old school slang for throwing someone or something under the bus). You may say no way. But I say way! Verizon knows the so-called tech savvy geeks(suckers needing the latest tech fix) will throw their Incredible onto ebay faster than Usain Bolt running the 2 yard dash!

And the irony is that every freaking phone that comes out is touted by the media as an iphone killer. So far the original Droid, G1,N1, Incredible, HTC EVO and now this Droid X are all suppose to destroy the iphone. Let me tell you my friends, Apple iphone 4, in pre orders alone, have sold more than(sans the Droid X) ALL the aforementioned iphone killers combined.
GTFOOH!
Iphone 4 rules them all baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I went iPhone 2G -> iPhone 3G -> HTC G1 (Android Dev Phone) -> iPhone 3GS -> Nexus One -> iPhone 3GS -> iPhone 4

Why did I settle on the iPhone 4 and going back to my 3GS? Polish. Android has none of that app polish. The Android market is the definition of underwhelming, and I found myself making calls and texting with the phone, but doing nothing beyond that. With my iPhone I text, call, email, browse the web, and use apps. All of those are enjoyable on the iPhone. Not so much on any of my Android devices.

I've got a myTouch 3G – had it for almost a year.
1. Phone, texts, browser, camera are all fine. Maps navigation is fine. WeatherBug has had issues with GPS location.
2. AT&T? Won't ever go back to them. I'll try the iPhone when it is available somewhere besides AT&T and Verizon (i.e., T-Mobile).

I don't plan on using a phone to watch movies, so much of this discussion doesn't make sense.
 
thats exactly what he claimed, and it wasn't wild at all. as we now know, the motorola claim was a fraud or mistake, but i can't believe anyone thought it was even remotely possible in the first place. no one is surpassing the retina display for a long time.

like many Apple technologies, the retina display is overkill, and given the limitations of the human eye, there is no reason for anyone to spend the money to meet or exceed its resolution, other than bragging rights. While someone may do it for just that reason, they will wait until the technology is much more readily available and inexpensive.

Now imagine if the that Retina display tech makes its way into iPads, iMacs and Cinema displays?
 
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