Motorola to Apple: 'No Jacket Required'

[AZREOSpecialist]

A couple of things:

The "No Jacket Required" ad is Apple's fault. They started talking crap about other phones because their own phone has a huge design flaw. Of course other companies will reply.

A "design flaw" shared by every other smartphone in existence.

2nd, the Droid X 'death grip' video is a bunch of crap. Besides the fact that iPhone has a *detuning* problem (which is completely different from attenuation), Android phones say '3G' in the top corner when they have a good 3G signal and they say 'Edge' or '2G' when they have a 2G/EDGE signal. The phone in the video has neither.

No, you are wrong again. This is about attenuation, not de-tuning. If this were a de-tuning issue, simply bridging the two antennas would cause an issue. I have tried this repeatedly on my iPhone 4 by bridging the two antennas with my finger and with a paperclip - nada, nothing to see here.

Basically, Steve Jobs had to drive out to the middle of nowhere to find an area with such bad coverage that there was no 2G or 3G available and then he made his video. This is why no one I have talked to has been able to reproduce this phenomenon on the Droid X.

Apple has a $100M test facility and Steve Jobs is going to drive a Droid X out to the countryside... are you really this uneducated or just 4 years old?

Conversely, about one half of the iPhone 4 owners I know have mentioned that their phone drops calls.

Wow, I don't know a singular cell phone or smartphone that doesn't drop calls. My Blackberry Curve dropped calls too, as did my Palm Treo and Motorola cell phones. Does that mean they were also defective?

I suppose its easier to say that someone else sucks than to fix your own problems. Brand hate aside, I can't figure out why you would want to give money to a company that slings mud instead of solving issues. Its not like there aren't alternatives.

Motorola has done exactly what you describe in their latest ad. What's your point?

 

[AZREOSpecialist]

Look at that giant ugly mess. No thanks.

That's the UI on this thing? It must have taken them what, 4 hours to design this hot mess? After realizing that each handset maker will overlay their own UI on top of the underlying Android OS, Android will become nothing more than the underlying engine that nobody will care about. Different Android handset makers will have to differentiate themselves based on UI and handset features, not the underlying OS, and this is where they will all fail compared to Apple. You can't compete with Apple on UI.

Apple's biggest competition isn't Google and its Android OS, it's HTC, and that's why Apple is suing HTC. HTC has the resources to design good hardware coupled with a decent UI, and is the only company that is even remotely a threat to Apple's current iPhone business. The rest are far too late to the party to matter.

 

[bruinsrme]

Look at that giant ugly mess. No thanks.

really, you judge a phone by the about screen.

a few friends have the X and its not that bulky or awkward.

the playback is very nice. I think the colors are more vivid on the X, to me the colors on the ip4 seem flat.

 

[samcraig]

That's not the UI. It's the About Screen.

Anyone griping about this ad is taking it personally instead of looking at it objectively.

 

[pflau]

Different Android handset makers will have to differentiate themselves based on UI and handset features, not the underlying OS

And small developers will abandon the Android market because nobody can afford to have 10-20 different cellphones in the shop just to make sure their apps work correctly with all the UIs. The market will be as fragmented as the UNIX market with all these different flavors of UNIXs an X-Servers and shells and what have you.

 

[pittpanthersfan]

Apple to Motorola: 'Scoreboard!'

 

[aohus]

im laughin at all these apple kids judging an 'about' screen from a droid X phone. sorry it doesn't have cutesy pop up messages and sound effects. i guess thats why android is more of an engineers phone, and the iPhone is well, more effeminate and caters to the non-techies at large.

 

[Block]

I'm starting to believe that all these Android users are individuals who are stuck with another carrier for whatever reason (parents with the carrier, company discount etc.) and thus couldn't get an iPhone and so got the next best thing. Now they have to go through the iPhone boards to justify to themselves why their choice is better than their preferred choice, the iPhone. Are there any Android trolls here who actually use AT&T?

 

[aohus]

I'm starting to believe that all these Android users are individuals who are stuck with another carrier for whatever reason (parents with the carrier, company discount etc.) and thus couldn't get an iPhone and so got the next best thing. Now they have to go through the iPhone boards to justify to themselves why their choice is better than their preferred choice, the iPhone. Are there any Android trolls here who actually use AT&T?

thing is, why would ANYONE want to go AT&T? To deal with 15 y/o kids with their latest iphone gobbling up loads of bandwidth? no thank you sir.

 

[maflynn]

I'm starting to believe that all these Android users are individuals who are stuck with another carrier for whatever reason (parents with the carrier, company discount etc.)

From what I see here, I'd say the opposite is true. Many of the iPhone posters are adolescents, the tone of their posts are typically immature, so that's why I'm making that assumption.

The various android users that I know on this board are all adults and chose the android platform because it meets their needs better then the iPhone. That statement describes me to a T. The iPhone isn't bad, but, I found the android phones provide a better solution to meet my needs.

Back to the thread's main topic, I find it funny, and apple has spent a lot of time jabbing its competitors, so turn about is fair play.

Also being a droid x user, I can say that its not that much larger then an iPhone. In fact its only a hair wider. My wife owns an IP4 and stacking the two on top of each other, you can see how close the dimensions truely are. The 4.3" screen is gorgeous, and really lends itself for watching videos, surfing the web and fast accurate typing.

 

[kdarling]

Apple has a $100M test facility and Steve Jobs is going to drive a Droid X out to the countryside... are you really this uneducated or just 4 years old?

Not sure why you think that insulting him makes your arguments any more valid (and you'll be reported if you do it again), especially since you obviously haven't watched the Droid X video.

When you do watch it, you'll see people wandering around in the office behind the phone. It's not being done in a million dollar anechoic chamber under strict conditions.

That's the UI on this thing? It must have taken them what, 4 hours to design this hot mess?

That's the general settings page. iOS's version isn't much fancier:

 

[Coukos34]

No, you are wrong again. This is about attenuation, not de-tuning. If this were a de-tuning issue, simply bridging the two antennas would cause an issue. I have tried this repeatedly on my iPhone 4 by bridging the two antennas with my finger and with a paperclip - nada, nothing to see here.

Really? Are you serious? Just because you tried this in a high reception area does not mean that it does not occur. I can make this happen at will in my home. Does that mean I am wrong? Just because Steve Jobs "happen to leave this part out" of their conference, does not mean it doesnt exhist. I think there are a hole lot of iphone 4 users that would also quickly call you WRONG! Nice try though, drink some more kool-aid

 

[wreckshop]

Eh. Motorola phones just suck.

I loathed that stupid RAZR or whatever they called it.

Piece of crap, that's what it was.

And millions of people bought it because it was the cool fashion accessory. Hmmm.....

 

[TrojanCMH]

My grandmother is in her seventies. She doesn't know a lot about technology. At all. We got her a computer for Christmas and it's been slow. She can check her email and play games on Pogo. That's about it.

Ill rephrase it then.

a. Most people know about it but don't really care and they are happy with their phones.
b. People know about it and it doesn't affect them.
c. All of the Above

What Im trying to say is that reading something on MacRumors, Engadget, or any other tech oriented forum/blog/website isn't really delivering what the masses feel. Sure techies are always going to go out and find flaws in everything technical and read up on all the latest gossip involving anything tech. Thats their hobby. That's why the complaints and returns are so low with the iPhone 4. Its a vocal minority of tech oriented people that is being picked up by the media and blown out of proportion. Do you really think that if the Droid or EVO had a problem it would be plastered all over Yahoo!'s front page? The media doesn't care about those phones as they have only sold a fraction of what the iPhone has in the first month. But either way, my wife has one as do a good amount of our friends and the only complaint from any of them is the proximity sensor. Thats the real issue with the phone in my opinion.

But I agree with you, the competition is good and it isn't a wiener measuring contest. If you like your Android great, many people love Android and lots love the iPhone. Do people go out and buy a Mercedes then go trolling on online forums and talk about how bad BMWs are? I doubt it. And I realize this goes both ways.

 

[WeegieMac]

Now that is one ********* ugly phone.

 

[Block]

From what I see here, I'd say the opposite is true. Many of the iPhone posters are adolescents, the tone of their posts are typically immature, so that's why I'm making that assumption.

I'm not quite sure how your response relates to what you quoted? The implied opposite of what you quoted would be that iPhone users are stuck with AT&T for some reason, and that being the case, the Android is also offered on AT&T.

 

[AZREOSpecialist]

im laughin at all these apple kids judging an 'about' screen from a droid X phone. sorry it doesn't have cutesy pop up messages and sound effects. i guess thats why android is more of an engineers phone, and the iPhone is well, more effeminate and caters to the non-techies at large.

So by your definition, all non-techies are effeminate? Your statement all but guarantees Apple's dominance in the smartphone space. Thank goodness for Apple that 90% of the buying population are "effeminate" non-techies. By your own admission, a product such as Android is targeting the minority of users and will remain a minority player. I'm glad that's settled!

 

[AZREOSpecialist]

Not sure why you think that insulting him makes your arguments any more valid (and you'll be reported if you do it again), especially since you obviously haven't watched the Droid X video.

Ooooooh... Please don't report me massah, please!

When you do watch it, you'll see people wandering around in the office behind the phone. It's not being done in a million dollar anechoic chamber under strict conditions.

So it's being tested in real world conditions. That makes the video even more damning, but no different from Consumer Reports testing the iPhone 4 in someone's garage.

That's the general settings page. iOS's version isn't much fancier:

No, but it shows you Apple's attention to detail versus the competition. But my question to you is why does it matter? If you have a Droid and you're happy, why are you even here?

 

[samcraig]

Ooooooh... Please don't report me massah, please!



So it's being tested in real world conditions. That makes the video even more damning, but no different from Consumer Reports testing the iPhone 4 in someone's garage.



No, but it shows you Apple's attention to detail versus the competition. But my question to you is why does it matter? If you have a Droid and you're happy, why are you even here?

1. I find that racist and offensive.

2. Apple is grasping at whatever it can to show it's not unique. Funny given that they live and breathe the notion that they are different from all the rest. I guess different is only good when it's positive.

3. Big logic fail and clearly misplaced hostility. Just because she supports the Droid X's UI doesn't mean she has one nor does it mean she prefers one. She was making a point that the About screens are similar.

Wow to your whole post.

 

[marksman]

Wow a reposting of a thread that was already sent to the wasteland.

Nice!

 

[samcraig]

not worth it

 

[Sean4123]

All i've gotta say is it is a DAMN GOOD THING the Droid X doesn't require a "JACKET" as they put it, because it is already TOO BIG AS IT IS.

BTW: Anyone that doesn't WANT to use a case for a GLASS PHONE, is not very smart with their purchases. I've been using iPhone cases since the 3G so this is a BIG NON-ISSUE FOR MANY. Believe it or not Android fans.

One more quick question for the Android fans:

WHY, on earth, would you WASTE YOUR LIFE AWAY, in MAC FORUM?!

Go the the android boards.

 

[JediZenMaster]

That's funny how motorola loves to take a dig at someone. I'm sure Apple will be laughing when motorola stock continues to drop like it has for the past year or so.

Droid's can't save motorola and it will be apple who gets the last laugh.

 

[aohus]

So by your definition, all non-techies are effeminate? Your statement all but guarantees Apple's dominance in the smartphone space. Thank goodness for Apple that 90% of the buying population are "effeminate" non-techies. By your own admission, a product such as Android is targeting the minority of users and will remain a minority player. I'm glad that's settled!

You're not the sharpest knife in the drawer are ya?

Let me state some facts for you:

Apple is not the 'dominant' force in the smartphone space. RIM is. Research in Motion has the largest marketshare domestically in the mobile smartphone space.

What is the fastest growing mobile platform right now? Guess what. Its not Apple. Yes. Its Google.

Android is targeting EVERYONE, except for the elite walled-garden company we call Apple, which is only available on ONE carrier, for ONE phone.

Lets recap here.
Android is present across all carriers, across multiple handset makers. There are android phones released at a much faster pace than Apple's current 1 phone / year. Bear in mind, we are discussing 'dominance' right? Good luck Apple, with your ONE carrier ONE phone strategy. Correct, it grants Apple a lot more control over their product, but that doesn't necessarily equate to total dominance as you wrongly claimed.

btw, you forgot cutesy pop up messages and sound effects.

 

[Caliber26]

You're not the sharpest knife in the drawer are ya?

Let me state some facts for you:

Apple is not the 'dominant' force in the smartphone space. RIM is. Research in Motion has the largest marketshare domestically in the mobile smartphone space.

What is the fastest growing mobile platform right now? Guess what. Its not Apple. Yes. Its Google.

Android is targeting EVERYONE, except for the elite walled-garden company we call Apple, which is only available on ONE carrier, for ONE phone.

Lets recap here.
Android is present across all carriers, across multiple handset makers. There are android phones released at a much faster pace than Apple's current 1 phone / year. Bear in mind, we are discussing 'dominance' right? Good luck Apple, with your ONE carrier ONE phone strategy. Correct, it grants Apple a lot more control over their product, but that doesn't necessarily equate to total dominance as you wrongly claimed.

btw, you forgot cutesy pop up messages and sound effects.

While I am, by no means, an Android fan (not knocking it, just not MY cup of tea), I have to say that you came back at him/her in quite an eloquent way. And, to an extent, I agree. I think most people are confusing popularity with dominance and this one-carrier thing does suck monkey balls. I'm ready for all these whiners to get off my network and go to their beloved Verizon/Sprint/T-Mobile/Nextel/ETC. Well said, OP.