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Motorola Wins Preliminary Injunction, Could Bar Sales of iPhone and 3G iPad in Europe [Updated x2]

rmwebs said:
I think he was also referring to the Samsung case which was basically thrown out today: http://9to5mac.com/2011/12/09/samsu...ives-galaxy-tab-10-1-a-go-ahead-in-australia/

It was rightfully concluded that Samsung did not copy the iPad. Apple didnt help themselves by submitting doctored evidence though :rolleyes:
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Uh ? That is not at all what happened in Australia. The High court just refused to hear Apple's appeal and thus the earlier decision to lift the ban now holds.

Nothing has been decided has far as infringement goes and the Australian case is not about "slavishly copying", it has nothing to do with Trademark, trade dress or design. The 9to5mac.com piece is quite horrible, even their linked story says the contrary :

"There will still be a full trial on Apple's primary infringement application back before Justice Bennett in the Federal Court at some stage, although no date is set as yet. But nothing more before the High Court," he said.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/...-tablet-war-20111209-1omep.html#ixzz1g3QFI5jv
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Let's not spread misinformation now.
 
fishmoose said:
Indeed. This nonsense has to stop. Imagine if all these companies would spend the money they spend on lawsuits on improving their products instead.
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Nope. The patent system in the long run is shown to increase innovation and inventions. It's really annoying and it constantly needs evolving, which it doesn't do fast enough, but it's not a bad thing.
 
A US company suing another US company on EU territory?!?!?!
And on outdated technology?!?! This is clearly not a case.
But, why not suing on US territory?!?!
No comprendo.
 
hipnetic said:
No it hasn't. The patent system stifles innovation.
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Nope. At least in certain industries it's shown statistically that innovation and inventions increased when patents have begun to be given. Medicine is one of them.

That doesn't say the system is perfect, it just says it's working.

Although there's always a question of quantity vs quality. IP protection means that people have to come up with different things all the time if they don't want to pay up, but that also forces people to come up with redundant stuff every now and then. It's exactly like forcing professors to publish a certain amount of papers each year, which definitely increases the amount of papers published for the university, but whether or not those papers are all "great" is another question.

There's always a danger of patents stifling progress due to being too much, and then the system needs changes. According to some researchers patents given for human genome are stifling progress right now. But they are not against patenting in general for medicine.
 
Northgrove said:
Unlike the guys here thinking this is awesome since Apple has sued other parties, I think it's horrible to see software patents at work, regardless when they are used.

Hardware is another matter, at least they only apply to the end result in hardware, but software patents are like patenting "1 teaspoon sugar" as part of a recipe to make cinnamon buns.
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Hardware in these phones is highly commoditized in general. None of these phones (including the iphone) use entirely unique hardware. Ordering a custom engineered part where it's not required drives up your costs excessively. For Apple it's been about their overall system including IOS, not just the hardware level features.

michaelsviews said:
Oh goody goody the Samsung / Motorola's Troll's are coming out.
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Don't feed them. If you want them to go away, ignore their posts.

ChazUK said:
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These lawsuits are starting to damage consumer choice.

I understand that I.P has to be protected but with so much cross licensing necessary in today's mobile connected world, it would be nice if companies were able to settle this around the table other than through the courts.
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I see it as more of an issue with tying up court systems and driving up the potential cost of products to cover litigation fees. I'm not commenting on the FRAND licensing issue as I don't know enough to comment there, but I wonder if this was discussed out of court before the suits began. The injunction thing is weird simply because the sale of one product isn't going to kill demand for the other, and I'm not sure how well these injunctions are enforced anyway. Look at the Australian one (people used online retailers).
 
Good for Moto. Apple is getting a taste of it's own medicine from the company they stole everything from.
 
Northgrove said:
Unlike the guys here thinking this is awesome since Apple has sued other parties, I think it's horrible to see software patents at work, regardless when they are used.

Hardware is another matter, at least they only apply to the end result in hardware, but software patents are like patenting "1 teaspoon sugar" as part of a recipe to make cinnamon buns.
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As a developer myself this is the dumbest thing I've read in a while. Why should my work not be protected?
 
lukarak said:
Anything that apple is suing about isn't part of a standard. Motorola's patent is. If you want to make you patent a standard, you have to license it to everyone. And Motorola didn't do it.
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It is not Motorola'a responsibility to chase everyone for license. if Apple used their tech , they had to ask for license. This is what is going against Apple in German case.
 
GreyStreet said:
As a developer myself this is the dumbest thing I've read in a while. Why should my work not be protected?
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It should be, but since Apple isn't a software company Apple fans are only concerned about hardware being protected. They forget the fact that the hardware is a paperweight without the software. And it must really bother them that Apple didn't invent the cell phone.
 
Golly.

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nefan65 said:
HTC Sensation = Junk
Samsung Tablet = Junk

Why do you bother posting on a Mac/Apple forum? You seem to enjoy the low quality, non-Apple products. Go to those forums, and spout the virtues of those products...
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You know apple stuff is made in china just like everyone ele's "junk" right? Only difference is the packaging
 
Dbrown said:
You know apple stuff is made in china just like everyone ele's "junk" right? Only difference is the packaging
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I agree to an extent. But some Apple products are beyond reproach. No one can look at a Macbook Pro or Macbook Air and say that its junk. Solid construction, no creaking plastic or hinges, the BMW of laptops.
 
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At the beginigs of the decade of 2010 the world was engulfed in a massive secret war hidden away from the eyes of the populace, companies would battle in secrecy out maneuvering each other in one of the most fierce battlegrounds on earth. The courtrooms. Welcome to the Patent Wars!

Queue imperial march
 
Rafterman said:
I agree to an extent. But some Apple products are beyond reproach. No one can look at a Macbook Pro or Macbook Air and say that its junk. Solid construction, no creaking plastic or hinges, the BMW of laptops.
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Yep, you heard it here first folks, Rafterman considers MBPs and MBAs to be unreliable products.
 
Spectrum Abuser said:
Why are you even on this forum? @Your post&Signature.
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Some people have no life and revel in misery only.

Just put on "block" and be done:)

Why are people even getting upset? All patent lawsuits are about money.

The lawsuit is started to show that one party is serious and the other one fights back to make sure they pay the least amount possible or find away out of paying.

In the end IMO in this one Apple will pay (and they already know it).

Just which amount is not clear.

Press release: We are pleased to announce a mutual agreement of cross licensing terms with Motorola.
 
That'll be a lot of pissed consumers in Germany.

Watch iPhone demand there quadruple.

The funny thing is that injunctions against Apple don't actually stop insane demand.
 
KnightWRX said:
Yep, you heard it here first folks, Rafterman considers MBPs and MBAs to be unreliable products.
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I thought the MBP were suppose to be so great from what I've heard from Mac people, but my brother, who has owned a couple of them, recently told me that they are just as crappy as any other laptop. He had problems with the display, which was replaced twice. Then one of the memory banks went bad on the mainboard. The Apple Genius told him that the logic board would need replaced, and he would be better off just purchasing a whole new MBP. He did get a new one just because he had personal insurance on it and also his wife is use to Mac OS. He also told me that every time he has gone to the Apple store, it seems like someone is there with a broken Mac laptop.
 
Wordsmithmac said:
Good Apple is getting a taste of their own medicine.
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They really aren't. It's a FRAND issue. It's not an attempt by Moto to protect the integrity of a product, it's just an attempt to extract money from Apple. It will do nothing to stall demand for Apple gear.

If anything, it will create plenty of unhappy consumers who will be told they can't have the iDevice they wanted. Do you honestly think this will create some sort of surge in sales of Moto junk? LOL

We saw a similar case with Nokia anyway. Apple paid them their blood-money and today they're at death's door.
 
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