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No, it includes any operating systems or devices. The deciding factor is how many EU citizens are affected. So it may depend on whether you see iOS and iPadOS as basically the same or as two different operating systems.

It's about the number of users and the revenue and market cap of the company.
 
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Yeah, that’s what I mean - Apple are purposely ruining the experience for their customers because they’re annoyed at the eu. That’s not ok though. Is it?

It's not ruing. iPad OS will work like it always has.

You seem to think the current solution isn't working but it has been working since 2008.
 
Market share wouldn’t be appropriate when the market is small. This is really about how much control a single company may have over how a substantial portion of EU citizens use important services. Big Tech has grown too big and powerful, building a moat that makes it impossible for new companies to compete with them, and since they don’t want to play nice, they need to be reined in by regulation.

It's all about numbers.

Numbers of end-users.
Numbers of business users.
Revenue in EU.
Market cap of the company.
Number of EU countries they operate in.

And if they hit those numbers for 3 consecutive years, they are bound by the DMA.

You could be a multi-billion dollar (or euro) company with tens of millions of monthly users and not be bound by the DMA.
 
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Why would you blame the EU, the fact that the DMA only makes these changes mandatory for iOS doesn't change the fact that Apple absolutely could implement them across the board.

This is Apple's choice.

Because the EU is the one trying to control companies products and services in detail.

EU was free not to implement the DMA. It wasn't forced on them.
 
Why are browsers required to run on the WebKit engine in the first place? WebKit limits Firefox so much that you can't use a ad blocker, it's just safari reskins at that point.
That’s the way Apple was controlling them. It’s been like that forever and that’s why they now need to change it. I mean, it’s the whole point of the complaint regarding web browsers.
 
So they were happier before? Any opening up of any platform in any way is good. They should be celebrating the (small) victory this was, not complaining about how they want more. It's a good attitude to have in general, especially with Apple's 2 steps forward, 1 step back approach to opening up their platforms. You'd always be complaining otherwise.
This is not opening the platform at all. You have to use another store and you have to pay fees. Opening up a platform is you can install whatever you want without apples permission.
 
So, what..? Well done Apple? Good on you? You sure showed them? Or damn Apple, you have purposely f-ed up your own ecosystem out of spite?

Yes, I don't want Apple's software and services to change that much and not in the direction the EU wants. So anything Apple can do stop these changes is good for me as customer and user.

I want a highly controlled environment where developers and power users has very little power. In face, I want them to be treated as second class citizens.
 
That's honestly weasel wording at it's finest.

The approach to compliance has been completely different.

It's true. Have you read the DMA?

iPad OS doesn't have enough users in the EU and thus the DMA doesn't affect it. If there were a few million more iPad users in the EU, Apple would have to treat iPad OS the same as iOS.

So, it's basically just numbers which determines if a certain software or service is deemed a gatekeeper.
 
I have zero sympathy for anyone and any company who wanted government regulation but now doesn’t like how Apple complied with government interference in the marketplace. Seeking government interference in the marketplace to protect or advance your business is immoral and deserves all the trouble that follows. (Not defending Apple.)
 
When iPhone and iPod touch were new, I understood their reluctance. They didn't want a separate version of JavaScript running and they wouldn't allow emulators because who knew what code could be executed.

A lot of time has passed and their death grip is strangling their image. Now, it mostly seems to be about money, and somewhat about privacy.

The way that they're handling alternative app stores and payments, they could just do it everywhere and make people happy all over the world.

The way that they're handling browsers is just ridiculous.
 
They’re doing the absolute minimum they are asked to do. Playing real hardball because they can. The truth is that taking this stance is not going to hurt them because the vast majority of users are completely unaware of this. It hurts developers of web browsers, which are largely competitors.

At the same time, though, I am happy that it screws Google, which is much more evil than Apple when it comes to user privacy. The only reason I would never try an android phone is that I have to sign in to Google to use it.
 
One reason is to use extensions like uBlock Origin. Another reason is if you also use non-Apple devices and want to sync your browser tabs and history and bookmarks etc. across ecosystems.
You forgot the other vitally important factor: Safari sucks greasy monkey testicles.
 
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Of course it can affect me. It just needs to be an app I want which is only available outside the App Store and it will affect me.
So Red herring argument. The I dont want others to have more choices than me argument.
We can look at android that is open and only one major app choose to leave.

It only affect you if the app you want leaves. If the app you want never would of been in the app store to begin with it does not affect you. In reality that app you want that might of never been there but now has another choice OMG it added more choices for you.

Yet again we get back to being allowed to side load does not affect you if you choose not leave the wall garden.
 
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