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Apple are really sending a clear message -- massive and much stronger regulation needs to come in to deal with their behavior.

Responding in these childish ways to regulation is straight pissing into the wind

They are every bit Microsoft of the 2000's, and honestly getting even worse.
I’d be surprised if any of this happens in the US. The takeaway is government regulations aren’t necessarily all great. The DMA being one of them. But that is imo.
 
Why are browsers required to run on the WebKit engine in the first place? WebKit limits Firefox so much that you can't use a ad blocker, it's just safari reskins at that point.
Because web browser engines are a huge attack vector. Apple wants to control access as much as they can to keep it secure. They don’t make money on Safari.
 
That's not something I want for iOS.

I want iOS and iPhones to be simple devices where you don't have to think or care about security. Apple should really handle the stuff and everything should be convenient and not involve using it as a computer but as an appliance.
Yet, people keep demanding more and more from their iPhone, inching it forward more and more into a computer. Apple probably hates this trend so they try to convince people they don’t need more, but that doesn’t work out.

A derivative of iPhone can probably work well for people like you who uses iPhone as appliances. A phone with almost every feature locked down (no, I don’t mean lockdown mode) and limited, which can be achieved today.
 
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So move out of the EU if you dont like the law. That is the level of logic you are using so leave and move to a different country. I hear Russia and China are great this time of year.
Last time I heard they still value their 150+ visa-free travel rights and “free” Medicare, among other perks.

At the end of the day that’s all people does, bark but no bite. Just for the record, I’m guilty of that too, but at least I voted with me and my family’s wallet and move to Australia.
 
Why are browsers required to run on the WebKit engine in the first place? WebKit limits Firefox so much that you can't use a ad blocker, it's just safari reskins at that point.

Because you can build your own App Store in a browser yourself and have it install apps and games as extensions.
 
Out of curiosity, does WebKit offer greater security or privacy than Gecko or Blink?
In terms of privacy, Firefox-based browsers have stronger fingerprint resistance and privacy features overall. To test browser fingerprintability, use a tool such as this, or this (from EFF). Compare a hardened Firefox-based browser such as Librewolf, Mullvad Browser or Tor Browser with WebKit- or Chromium-based browsers such as Safari or Brave, and you will see a clear difference in how much the browser reveals about your computer/phone, and indirectly about you as a user. Firefox-based browsers also have better add-on support, and more potent adblockers such as uBlock Origin. These can protect your privacy, along with making your browsing experience smoother and more pleasant.

In essence, Apple does not care about your privacy. Or rather, they care more about money than your privacy. They already forcefully push iCloud on iOS and MacOS to harvest users' documents, pictures and other data. Why would they care about solving browser fingerprintability on Safari if all they need is hot air to sway potential customers.

In terms of security, you are better off using Graphene OS (hardened Android) + a Google Pixel 8 Pro with memory tagging enabled, and a hardened Firefox-based webbrowser. You also get plenty of privacy features in that package. :)
 
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Funny thing is Steve Jobs originally never wanted an app store when the iPhone first came out. He wanted everyone to make web-apps instead so he could keep iOS even more locked down. Now the App Store keeps making them so much money that it seems almost insane that he wanted to pass that up
Personally, I don’t think Steve was after the money.
I can remember the MacOS keynote where he talked about making MacOS free but couldn’t because of legal issues, but he had the lawyers working on figuring it out. It went from what: 129 to 29 to free.
Steve was much more about the magic… but he also knew they needed money to make that magic happen.
 
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All we wanted is a way to extend the life of older iOS devices by allowing an updated browser when Apple abandons updating webkit. Not being forced to recycle perfectly good and powerful devices just because Apple says so because lack of browser updates.:rolleyes:
It won´t happen. Neither Google nor Mozilla support much longer older operating systems. All the browsers for older MacOS versions are hacks, buggy, and slow.
 
Waiting to see how the different browsers will change after the requirement of WebKit is removed in the EU.
 
It would be interesting if Chinese government follows suite and demand the same. Apple would have no choice but to comply, and they cannot even use the same talking point much publicly in China, otherwise they’d lose 20% of their revenue stream immediately.
To me, Apple actually just run like the Chinese government with its walls, secrecy and rules, and the attitude of “if you don’t like it then leave and don’t make money here”. And Apple itself is only afraid of this kind of government because overnight if you piss the government off you are out of here. Apple knows it so it’s behaving exactly the same because it’s the most powerful position to be in.

It’s always amusing to see that some hardcore apple supporters chanting the free market argument saying the companies should be able to do whatever they want while the company that they are supporting behaves the least “free market“. If Apple is a country, it’d run much more like China than the US.
 
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To me, Apple actually just run like the Chinese government with its walls and rules, and the attitude of “if you don’t like it then leave and don’t make money here”. And Apple itself is only afraid of this kind of government because you overnight if you piss the government off you are out of here. Apple knows it so it’s behaving exactly the same because it’s the most powerful position to be in.

It’s always amusing to see that some hardcore apple supporters chanting the free market argument saying the companies should be able to do whatever they want while the company that they are supporting behaves the least “free market“. If Apple is a country, it’d run much more like China than the US.
I already felt the same a couple years ago with Apple’s strong fist on various issues while being overly secretive. Apple is a dictatorship inside US, and many people enjoy being managed and monitored by such dictatorship while also living in the so-called ”free country”, the irony.

Apple probably can build a city state like Vatican City in Rome, supported by all of those Apple stuff. It’s going to be a fascinating social experiment to witness and a paradise for some of those hardcore US Apple fans to live in.
 
It's not ruing. iPad OS will work like it always has.

You seem to think the current solution isn't working but it has been working since 2008.
It won’t though. Because previously the app ecosystem is all but parallel, aside specific apps for each device. Now the browser, as is the example we’re talking about, will be fundamentally different on each device. That’s one of several things that they’re doing by not implementing the changes across both devices. They don’t ’have to’ but by not doing it they’re fracturing their own clean system.
I want a highly controlled environment where developers and power users has very little power. In face, I want them to be treated as second class citizens.
I mean… what?
 
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