A Safrai copycat? Despite the fact it uses Gecko and not WebKit?
LOL!
As for Mac, yeah, they'll need to tweak it but I suppose they were always goign to concentrate on the 95% of the PC market that uses Windows first.
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A Safrai copycat? Despite the fact it uses Gecko and not WebKit?
LOL!
As for Mac, yeah, they'll need to tweak it but I suppose they were always goign to concentrate on the 95% of the PC market that uses Windows first.
Having spent longer time with the betas than the final release I wonder why it went downhill. I have found it to be so much more buggy than the beta builds I was running. It is basically useless on my PC now as it can no longer draw dialog boxes. I have even reinstalled but no go.
FF3 out the door.
Which is it 3 or 5?
Also I notice how you skirt around the fact that FF doesn't pass the test and bash Webkit based on Operas numbers rather than FFs. If the test caused webkit to adopt the 5 (or 3) items then the test was worth it.
As should you
Jumping on Opera since the latest release 9.5 I can say that it is probably the best browser for me out of the big 4 (Opera, Safari, Fireforx, IE). And getting used to allt he functions and finding there place in my workflow then yes I can say that having the extra stuff bult in does make total sense.
I've never had this problem even when I downloaded older versions of opera. Just set the Open With program on the .torrent file to be your torrent client and it won't open Opera.
FF3 out the door.
yes. thats goodwell, lets say, a standard passed W3C, which contain 54 items for web developers to utilize, Opera support 50 of those 54 items, while safari only support 3 of them. Why? because acid 3 can't check every item, so it only check few items of each standard, and webkit just did so to pass the test.
Thats not real pass, don't you see? when you only implement 5 items out of 54 of a standard, web developers can't use it!, It has no meaning in helping the web environment!
Which is it 3 or 5?
Also I notice how you skirt around the fact that FF doesn't pass the test and bash Webkit based on Operas numbers rather than FFs. If the test caused webkit to adopt the 5 (or 3) items then the test was worth it.
well, good for you, I respect your personal opinion, and please leave the decision of others, to others
As should you
Jumping on Opera since the latest release 9.5 I can say that it is probably the best browser for me out of the big 4 (Opera, Safari, Fireforx, IE). And getting used to allt he functions and finding there place in my workflow then yes I can say that having the extra stuff bult in does make total sense.
I've never had this problem even when I downloaded older versions of opera. Just set the Open With program on the .torrent file to be your torrent client and it won't open Opera.
yes, it's better than Internet Explorer 7...
...but a picture speaks a thousand words, and each word tells me Firefox needs to try much harder.
30 seconds into testing, with a visit to the world's most popular home page.
Aesthetic:
1. The bloated back button. This isn't a 1999 Winamp theme, don't use non-standard controls for the sake of branding.
Non-OS-X:
2. Three random gradients - 5 if you include the foreground and background tabs - and I can't drag the window by holding down on the toolbar background.
3. The close button should be on the left - and I can't drag the tab bar out to create a new window instead either.
4. Custom font rendering, subjectively inferior.
Rendering errors:
5. "Google Search" and "I'm Feeling Lucky" buttons are touching the text box.
6. Radio buttons are not vertically aligned properly with their accompanying text, "the web" and "pages from the UK".
Basic bug:
7. Scrollbar button overlapped by resize control; button inaccessible.
...but a picture speaks a thousand words, and each word tells me Firefox needs to try much harder.
30 seconds into testing, with a visit to the world's most popular home page.
Aesthetic:
1. The bloated back button. This isn't a 1999 Winamp theme, don't use non-standard controls for the sake of branding.
Non-OS-X:
2. Three random gradients - 5 if you include the foreground and background tabs - and I can't drag the window by holding down on the toolbar background.
3. The close button should be on the left - and I can't drag the tab bar out to create a new window instead either.
4. Custom font rendering, subjectively inferior.
Rendering errors:
5. "Google Search" and "I'm Feeling Lucky" buttons are touching the text box.
6. Radio buttons are not vertically aligned properly with their accompanying text, "the web" and "pages from the UK".
Basic bug:
7. Scrollbar button overlapped by resize control; button inaccessible.
Safari has huge problems with hotmail.. I can't access in safari most of the time - and this is a documented problem - the site goes into an infinite redirect loop...
Firefox 3 Crashes launching Mac Rumors forum
Any ideas on this one?
Having just upgraded to FF3, I now can't get into the M R Forums. The last message at the bottom of the window is 'tribal...' then FF3 crashes out.
I had AdBlocker and Nasa themes, but ADBlocker is now disabled and themes is back to the default. All else is as per default install. It's running on a OSX 10.4.11 2ghz MB with 4gb ram (yes Four).
Other than that I like FF3.
Cheers.
Any ideas on this one?
Having just upgraded to FF3, I now can't get into the M R Forums. The last message at the bottom of the window is 'tribal...' then FF3 crashes out.
I had AdBlocker and Nasa themes, but ADBlocker is now disabled and themes is back to the default. All else is as per default install. It's running on a OSX 10.4.11 2ghz MB with 4gb ram (yes Four).
Other than that I like FF3
.Cheers.
and you expect this type of blatant lie to be taken seriously?
thanks for trying.
yeah right, if the test causes webkit to adopt an abolished standard is good.......!
Why I can't praise Opera? Here safari fans totally ignore every other browsers anyway.
Thats interesting, I think you can make that statement again later, at least I used opera for 5 years before I dare to criticize anything about it. Maybe your daily workflow doesn't involve bt, maybe you do find opera's M2 useful, do you use it? anyway, Since you just started it, enjoy your ride for now
Opera is a great browser, but I don't see a perfect product around.
You sure?
My impression is it will take over no matter what you set it up to be. I set Azerues, but opera still refuse to download it..I kinda think there should be a fine tune somewhere, but didn't find it.lol, again, I admit firefox has hits and misses, pros and cons, but my friend, other than small cosmo "defects", what other opinion do you have?
how do you like you can let firefox remember multiple passwords for same page? imagine you have 2 or 3 gmail accounts?
how do you like to use mice sliding around to operate browser? imagine you use a mice and installed that addon
how do you like the new password remember notification bar? imagine you have a lot of passwords and sometime you aren't sure if filled in to correct one?
how do you like the new download manager, imagine you have so many downloads, you need to looking for one of them by just search it in download manager?
how do you like the feeling that you can drag ANY element of the webpage to anywhere?
how do you like much better memory management?
how do you like you can add a bookmark just by one click of the start at urlbar?
how do you like that fact you will be severely warned when you accidentally goto a dangerous website?
how do you like to zoom your page in its full glory, rather than detroy the page structure?
how do you like the fact that you can imply click the urlbar drop down list and goto your favv website? without a single input in ural bar?
how do you like the fact that you don't need to remember the exact url to go to a page you visited before?
......
the defects you discovered, I don't deny, butt please don't deny the vast majority of exciting improvement as well.
everyone's gettin so argumentative - what's the point - its a web browser for gods sake. has its pros/cons whatever - obv 1st build is gna be a bit buggy - get over it
i myself quite like it though - very responsive, and if u combine it with multiclutch (those with mbairs and penryn pros) u can get the pinch zoom, back/forward swipe)
a couple of improvements i can think of would be an "open in new tab" option when a non-hyperlinked piece of text is highlighted (beginning with http://) and also dragging out a tab to create a new window
but overall gd stuff!! and will only get better with updates!!
i myself quite like it though - very responsive, and if u combine it with multiclutch (those with mbairs and penryn pros) u can get the pinch zoom, back/forward swipe)
a couple of improvements i can think of would be an "open in new tab" option when a non-hyperlinked piece of text is highlighted (beginning with http://) and also dragging out a tab to create a new window
but overall gd stuff!! and will only get better with updates!!
Floppymoose.com - Adblocking for Firefox and Safari. Much better than the AdBlock add-on.
I use Firefox as my primary browser, btw.
I really enjoy the new Firefox, I have always had FF on my mac because there are some pages that Safari doesn't work with like Facebook photo uploading (hit or miss) my bank's website that allows you to scan in checks for deposit (half the buttons don't show up in Safari).
Before FF was only a backup because it was ugly and wasn't as intuitive as Safari, now it offers both of those.
the SpeedDial add-on is pretty awesome too!
Before FF was only a backup because it was ugly and wasn't as intuitive as Safari, now it offers both of those.
the SpeedDial add-on is pretty awesome too!
Does this FF "zoom" work like Ctrl+scroll, or does it actually properly scale the text and other resolution-independent objects on page?
Im not sure about your question, but you can try out for yourself
and here are some examplespage
page with flash video
pictures only page
You can customise the toolbar to use small icons which resolves that and makes it nicer looking.
I've never had Opera take over as the bit torrent client and I run azureus too, didn't even try to take over at all so don't knwo what your problem is. Don't get me wrong I have been using Opera on and off for the past two years now just like Firefox but I kept going back to Safari but one of my points is that Opera 9.5 is nearly the variant to make me permentaly switch, just needs a bit more stability. However on windows 9.5 > FF3 especially in terms of stability.
You can praise Oprea but what I was hinting at is that your stand point quite clearly in this thread is that FF > Safari yet when it comes to standards implementation you compare Safari to Opera and make no actual reference to FF. Seems a bit weird and also makes me think that FFs position is worse and you are trying to cover it up. Also you seem to give quite seemingly random numbers/claims without any evidence to back them up. It does come across as quite evangelical and is what Virgil-TB2 was talking about previously in regards to FF users in general.
Also if you don't see FF as a perfect product why are you defending every point to the hilt.
I don't like how it looks. I like the colors of the old one and there's this weird little space between tabs, etc. I'm going to try to go back if I can find a download link.
Does anyone know where a link is to the older version? I can't find it anywhere and fear it's just not available anymore.
Does anyone know where a link is to the older version? I can't find it anywhere and fear it's just not available anymore.
ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases you can find version 0.1 until 3.0
lol, no I don't defend every point of firefox 3.
as you can see,
1. I admit firefox is not doing as much as it could in terms of system integration, I do argue against 100% nativeness, but I do think firefox can do better on this part (see my previous post)
2. I was the first to mention there is a security flaw discovered in firefox 3, I didn't even mention the guy was obviously holding it until firefox 3 release, since the trick works on firefox 2.0.0.x as well.
3. I clearly stated that if something is not possible to do in firefox, when it should, users can file a bug for it. I also mentioned "i can find reasons for this not being done, but excuses are just excuses, doesn't really solve the problem"
4. I said more than once or twice, that firefox has misses, and cons,
I think the problem is some people here try to ignore any positives of firefox, and show no sincere spirit of discussion, they didn't even try it before making obviously false statements!, the guy (Virgil-TB2, since you picked his post as an example) said "when you type in urlbar, firefox will trigger yahoo search"! what type of misinformation is that? other saying "firefox copies safari", and what kind of mis-information is that again?
If Im a FX evangelist, at least Im not making things up.
(actually, I think many already know Im indeed a fx evangelist, but I hope many also understand Im not intentionally lying about the facts, and I go wherever the facts lead me, if Im proven wrong, I eat my words )As for the web standard, I have 100% no problem in saying opera is doing the best among all browsers, but for whoever wants to claim safari is doing better than firefox, and doing as good as opera, and invoke acid 3 as an example. please do read my posts and think again.
I listed wiki links several times previously to let people know how complicated the standard business is, and how safari is not doing better than firefox in that department. Thats not something I made up just to argue right now, i have been saying that for months.
Finally, I have no problem stating firefox > safari, collectively, since you know I already stated each individuals need to try for themselves, and pros and cons balancing probably not the same for all people. I don't find that a issue since many people clear holds a different view.
The Point is: It shouldn't matter what view do I, or do they hold, we need to discuss with substance and facts, not just making things up like somebody did in previous discussion.
about opera's bt, check the pic below
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So obviously I can do all these things in Firefox for free and the installs are simple. Not only that, updates are seamless. Here are the answers:
- Addon: Foxmarks does it for me, cross platform, cross machines, and also available online.
- CTRL-Tab. Works no matter what platform i'm on. Also handier than having to manually configure Safari shortcuts for every single machine.
- Addon: There are multiple addons that let you do this. I personally use FireGestures. I can't do without it. If you've never use gestures on a keyboard mouse setup, you're missing out. If you use a trackpad, it won't help.
- Addon: Tab Mix Plus. I close a tab and the last tab I was on will highlight. I create a new tab, and it creates to the left or right of the current tab (whatever I decide). I CTRL-tab through them all and it follows the order in which I sequentially clicked on my tabs. GENIUS.
- Addon: Down Them All. OMG. Two clicks and I've just queued up all the .mp3 download files available on a music blog. Impossible with Safari.
- Addon: CustomizeGoogle. I don't see any text ads.
- Addon: Better Gmail 2. My gmail is always encrypted. All individual emails alternate between background colors. attachment icons on the screen.
- CMD-Enter automatically fills in the www. and the .com part of a web address. Its a force fill in, not a DNS search or a query. It literally adds the www. and .com at the bookends of the word. This is incredibly useful for URLs that have a subdomain in it. like typing in forums.macrumors in Safari fills in http://forums.macrumors/ which results in a "Failed to open" error. Typing in forums.macrumors and hitting CMD-Enter in FF fills in http://www.forums.macrumors.com. Also, try typing DownThemAll into Safari. It sends you to www.downthemall.com, NOT what I wanted. In Firefox, type in downthemall and press CTRL-SHIFT-Enter, and it auto fills in the www. and .net for you. FYI, CMD-SHIFT-Enter gives you .org.
- Addon: Download status bar. Its hidden near the bottom as just a progress bar with speeds and time finished stats. Its really not intrusive and extremely helpful.
- Addon: QuickDrag. Click on a link, and throw it anywhere, it becomes a new tab.
i HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE the ABOMINATION that the address bar has become. i want to type in a url and THAT'S IT.
if i want to search, there's google.
we need a way to turn that AWFUL address bar off
lol, I hear ya, first, it only search locally within your history and bookmarks, not through internet.
second, you can try the addon "oldbar" and see if that helps
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i know. but i don't want it to search my bookmarks or my history (except for URL matching.
unfortunately, oldbar only makes it LOOK like FF2, not ACT like FF2.