Mozilla Releases Firefox 3 Web Browser

[clevin]

i know. but i don't want it to search my bookmarks or my history (except for URL matching.

unfortunately, oldbar only makes it LOOK like FF2, not ACT like FF2.

I will sure let people know if you can avoid bookmark searching behavior. But even traditional urlbar performs a lower grade searching within database of the history when you type?

 

[atsang]

Can only answer a few off the top of my head.

8. Don't most browsers do this automatically, not sure what you're referring to then. Older versions Safari have been able to do that probably since the beginning? Just type away in the url cell and the browser will do the rest when you hit the return/enter key. But only works for US sites, ie. if you type in independent, you'll get the Santa Barbara Independent, as it wouldn't as co.uk if you were looking for www.independent.co.uk

9. Integrate into the main window? That *would* be intrustive, IMHO. I prefer to have a separate window, just me.

10. Drag N throw links? Can you more fully explain that? Standard procedure is to just right click on a link w/mouse or "option, click" with using lappy trackpad N click to get a popup window menu that gives you option of either opening that link in a new window or opening the link in a tab, amongst other options...don't understand your question.

9. How is this intrusive?
Download status bar mini mode. No 2nd window needed. Shows 1 current download, 0 finished downloads.

Click it to view detials. DL speed and time remaining at your fingertips:

Here it is when the DL is finished:

10. Drag a link, throw it up to open it in a new tab in the foreground. Throw it down to open the link i a new tab in the background.

10. In Safari I drag links to the tab-bar and it'll create a tab for me. Sometimes I select a text "cnn.com" that is NOT a hyperlink and will still create a tab for http://cnn.com. I couldn't find a way to drag a link to create a new Window in Safari and it does not work with Firefox either. Unless you are using some sort of gesture Add-on.

A feature I like in Safari that I miss with FF is the ability to drag-out a tab into it's own window or move it to another window. Very useful when I decide to re-organize my tabs/windows.

Can you tell us how you are doing some of the other points you listed? I couldn't figure it out. Are you using a different Add-on for each? Thanks.

yeah I use addons. Check my post above for links. But you could also do an addon search in FF3 and see that there are many dragging addon competitors out there.

 

[clevin]

Originally Posted by albeik
A feature I like in Safari that I miss with FF is the ability to drag-out a tab into it's own window or move it to another window. Very useful when I decide to re-organize my tabs/windows.

firefox allows re-arranging of tabs across different windows by default

from tab to a new window, since it requires deeper app-OS interaction, firefox can't do it. However, there are quite a few addons that allows you to easily create a new window from a existing tab.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2062 tab to window
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/260 Tab clicking options
http://tmp.garyr.net/ Tab Mix Plus

 

[Veri]

lol, again, I admit firefox has hits and misses, pros and cons, but my friend, other than small cosmo "defects", what other opinion do you have?

A web browser's job is to render HTML. Every rendering error is a "cosmo defect". And usability problems (X in wrong place, unable to drag window by anything but titlebar), outright bugs (window widget overlapping scrollbar widget, so I can't use the scrollbar widget) are way beyond "cosmo".

how do you like you can let firefox remember multiple passwords for same page? imagine you have 2 or 3 gmail accounts? how do you like the new password remember notification bar? imagine you have a lot of passwords and sometime you aren't sure if filled in to correct one?

You're not using passwords as intended if you have to get a machine to remember them for you. Try a site-specific algorithm for generating passwords in your head at worse, or use public key authentication secured with a central password at best. But the need for a million unimportant passwords is more the web's fault, so I don't hold it against Firefox that it makes it less painful - providing it does it the secure, official way via OS X's keychain, rather than storing important passwords in some ad hoc manner. But afaict it does the latter.

how do you like to use mice sliding around to operate browser? imagine you use a mice and installed that addon

Gestures are merely shortcuts for keypresses, and the proper place to implement them - unless you have some very browser-specific movements - is in an OS/system-wide add-on.

how do you like the new download manager, imagine you have so many downloads, you need to looking for one of them by just search it in download manager?

That's what the Finder is for. Browse to Downloads folder.

how do you like the feeling that you can drag ANY element of the webpage to anywhere?

Unless I drag just a graphic, all that gets dropped anywhere is plaintext, so the nice translucent float is misleading.

how do you like much better memory management?

I don't care, unless it's going to tip the balance so that I have to quit every >n days due to crash, lock-up or excess CPU usage rather than leak every n days. This problem is apparent on all browsers, of course.

how do you like you can add a bookmark just by one click of the start at urlbar?

Never had an emergency situation where I have neither access to the keyboard nor the time to click on "Add" after "+".

how do you like that fact you will be severely warned when you accidentally goto a dangerous website?

What does Firefox do wrong that makes any web site dangerous to visit?

how do you like to zoom your page in its full glory, rather than detroy the page structure?

Proper place is the OS with resolution independence, but since this is still in early development under OS X and requires a very unofficial tweak to enable, it's a nice interim for those (i.e. not me) who need to do more than just make text more legible.

how do you like the fact that you can imply click the urlbar drop down list and goto your favv website? without a single input in ural bar?

Recently visited on History menu?

how do you like the fact that you don't need to remember the exact url to go to a page you visited before?

History/Show All list or search works well also.

 

[clevin]

A web browser's job is to render HTML. Every rendering error is a "cosmo defect". And usability problems (X in wrong place, unable to drag window by anything but titlebar), outright bugs (window widget overlapping scrollbar widget, so I can't use the scrollbar widget) are way beyond "cosmo".

about dragging the title bar, I need to check, my impression is you can drag the toolbar, but there might be some revert. I will get back to you later on this.

a browser's prinsicple job might be rendering page, but are you seriously disregard every other usability, compatibility concerns?

You're not using passwords as intended if you have to get a machine to remember them for you. Try a site-specific algorithm for generating passwords in your head at worse, or use public key authentication secured with a central password at best. But the need for a million unimportant passwords is more the web's fault, so I don't hold it against Firefox that it makes it less painful - providing it does it the secure, official way via OS X's keychain, rather than storing important passwords in some ad hoc manner. But afaict it does the latter.

well, so far I have yet to hear an firefox encrypted password got stolen. Im not using passwords as intended? haha, nice try. I guess you have only one gmail account, thats fine tho.

Gestures are merely shortcuts for keypresses, and the proper place to implement them - unless you have some very browser-specific movements - is in an OS/system-wide add-on.

oh, I have some browser -specific movement, did you try it? merely shortcuts for ketpresses? no, my friend. 1, you don't even try and you obviously have no clue about what it can do and how it works. 2, why ppl use mice after all if it has no meaning?

That's what the Finder is for. Browse to Downloads folder.

oh yeah, multiple ways of doing thing isn't good? not to mention its much easier. i can search by date i downloaded, file title, url from which I downloaded, even the size of the file. not useful? speak for yourself then.

Unless I drag just a graphic, all that gets dropped anywhere is plaintext, so the nice translucent float is misleading.

did you try it? again? i can drag an plain text to tabbar to create a new tab, i can drag an image to tabbar to create a new tab with that image, i can drag links/images/plaintext to another tab and drop to the text area of that tab, useless? maybe you should try it first before making judgment for everyone.

I don't care, unless it's going to tip the balance so that I have to quit every >n days due to crash, lock-up or excess CPU usage rather than leak every n days. This problem is apparent on all browsers, of course.

good, I don't care if you care about memory leak, just speak for yourself, not others.

Never had an emergency situation where I have neither access to the keyboard nor the time to click on "Add" after "+".

again, did you try it? star button allows you click once to add bookmarks!, when you click "+" in safari, it will give you a panel for all kinds of options, start button, one lick, no popup penal, did you try it?

What does Firefox do wrong that makes any web site dangerous to visit?

like that rhetorical statement make everybody safer. at least be sincere

Proper place is the OS with resolution independence, but since this is still in early development under OS X and requires a very unofficial tweak to enable, it's a nice interim for those (i.e. not me) who need to do more than just make text more legible.

finally see you speak only for yourself. good for you !

Recently visited on History menu?

after you surfing internet for a week, does that history menu pick up your most visited for you? I guess not. again, did you try it?

History/Show All list or search works well also.

huh, convenient doesn't count, intuitive doesn't count, so why is OSX better than windows again? easy of use is not one of the reason apple is bragging?

we need a way to turn that AWFUL address bar off

new solution for u https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=5625424#post5625424

 

[Veri]

well, so far I have yet to hear an firefox encrypted password got stolen.

Deciding to ignore an established security policy for an OS, unless you've shown that policy somehow flawed, is harmful. In this case you're spreading sensitive data needlessly about your hard drive.

Im not using passwords as intended? haha, nice try. I guess you have only one gmail account, thats fine tho.

Why all the phishing on the web? Because of sooo many passwords typed in directly at the browser as the only authentication method. Passwords are insecure. A password manager is tackling the symptom, not the disease. Give me a hardware token, public key access + master unlocking, etc. But not another password!

oh, I have some browser -specific movement, did you try it? merely shortcuts for ketpresses? no, my friend.

What gestures does Firefox support that aren't already/better implemented by a system-wide app that either hooks into Cocoa or simulates keypresses?

oh yeah, multiple ways of doing thing isn't good? not to mention its much easier. i can search by date i downloaded, file title, url from which I downloaded, even the size of the file. not useful?

This is a function for Spotlight. Reinventing the wheel just so you can have it work slightly differently, instead of building on existing functional systems, is a waste of time and makes things harder for the end user. I'm more a Python "let's get rid of the unnecessary cruft" than Perl "TMTOWTDI", yes. But no-one's stopping you.

i can drag an plain text to tabbar to create a new tab, i can drag an image to tabbar to create a new tab with that image,

If I drag plain text to a tab bar I get a vertical line appearing on the tab bar, then nothing happens when I release the mouse. Dragging images is nothing new.

I don't care if you care about memory leak

No regular end user cares when you tell them "we have fewer memory leaks". They want to know if their browser is going to perform better in some way, which is why I responded by saying that it's only relevant (putting my end user hat on) if FF has had a wild stability increase such that a crash/hang/CPU usage party doesn't mean I need to quit it long before it becomes a memory hog.

again, did you try it? star button allows you click once to add bookmarks!

I indicated that I've never been in an emergency situation where I need to add a bookmark with such speed. Shouldn't the developers be combining it with a boss-key type feature which jumps to a work related page?

after you surfing internet for a week, does that history menu pick up your most visited for you?

Misunderstood you, sorry - no, I don't think so. I have no idea what algorithm Safari uses for its autocomplete dropdown as I'm usually better at knowing what I want to visit than the computer. The sites I've visited most are the ones I'll certainly remember the URLs for, but that sounds like a useful feature, as long as it doesn't replace the URL I've typed in so that eg http://blah/one would become http://blah/one/two if I've visited the latter.

FWIW, if I was guessing where my history would be with my no-assumptions-newbie hat on, it'd be in the History menu, not magically appearing on some drop-down from the address bar. The History menu is also easier to access, as H-i-s-t-o-r-y covers more real-estate than a little arrow, as well as being at an edge of the screen in a predictable place. Before Apple decided to ignore its own UI research and invent things like the Dock, it actually cared about issues like that. Oh well.

 

[clevin]

blah, blah, blah

oh well, I will just let other read my post and yours.

 

[xslappyx]

I will sure let people know if you can avoid bookmark searching behavior. But even traditional urlbar performs a lower grade searching within database of the history when you type?

yes, it searches WITHIN the URL, not titles, not bookmarks, etc

you cannot make me like the way it works in FF3 no matter what. it's sloppy and annoying.

 

[willie45]

Wow! This has to be right up there for the most tedious thread of the decade award. Just my opinion but as sensible as anything posted above. Its only a web browser for pity's sake. Get a life!

 

[clevin]

yes, it searches WITHIN the URL, not titles, not bookmarks, etc

you cannot make me like the way it works in FF3 no matter what. it's sloppy and annoying.

new solution for u https://forums.macrumors.com/showthre...24#post5625424

no bookmarks.

still search in title tho.

I aren't gonna make you do anything you don't want, did I?

i just let you know that I think its a BIG improvement. of course not everybody likes every new thing tho, that I totally understand ,

sloppy? search in url is search, search in title is search too, there is no physical reason why one is sloppy and the other is not. You can argue you want mozilla to improve the algorithm, but thats different from thinking one is sloppier than the other.

 

[satcomer]

Does this FF "zoom" work like Ctrl+scroll, or does it actually properly scale the text and other resolution-independent objects on page?

Yep you Gallery shows but in FF3 the drop shadows and mirror effect DOES NOT WORK! There is fix but the drop shadows still will not show. I don't know if this is an apple problem or a Mozilla problem.

 

[atsang]

Don't know about the first two up there (I do wish we could control settings like the pop-up browser per site, but I don't think that's what you're getting at there).

With Better Gmail 2, here's what my Gmail looks like in Firefox.

With CustomizeGoogle Heres what my google results look like in Firefox. No ads. Favicons. W/SurfCanyon, click that little blue ball and you google the specific result.

Also as a bonus, heres what surfcanyon can do to Craigslist in Firefox:

 

[Master Atrus]

Javascript

HI Everyone,

I do like Firefox, but some of the sites I visit just won't work with it. My work website for instance, Firefox won't open the javascript based link nor will it uncheck the hierarchical checkboxes like Safari does. Any suggestions?

Atrus

 

[clevin]

HI Everyone,

I do like Firefox, but some of the sites I visit just won't work with it. My work website for instance, Firefox won't open the javascript based link nor will it uncheck the hierarchical checkboxes like Safari does. Any suggestions?

Atrus

you will have to provide some links so we can check them out.

 

[atsang]

Plenty of websites are out there that don't support FF or Safari. I find a lot of financial planning websites don't work correctly unless on IE. www.mint.com definitely doesn't work 100%.

 

[Shadow]

I'm a long time FF user, and I must say that this new version is the best they've had. They've come a long way, and have done their research. This UI looks very similar to Safari. I'm not sure if anyone has said this already cos I'm new to this forum, but even the tabs look just like safari because they form and are selected upward.

Sorry but that looks similar to Safari in no way apart from grayness.

Regardless, FF is again better on Windows that it is on the Mac. On my Windows machine it is the primary browser yet on my Mac I only have it installed to test sites.

 

[Phillyzero]

Plenty of websites are out there that don't support FF or Safari. I find a lot of financial planning websites don't work correctly unless on IE. www.mint.com definitely doesn't work 100%.

This is the main reason I never uninstall IE if it's already been preinstalled to a PC.

 

[TuffLuffJimmy]

This is the main reason I never uninstall IE if it's already been preinstalled to a PC.

and the fact that you can't uninstall Internet Explorer...

 

[TwinCities Dan]

Safari and Hotmail can't play nice (STILL)

Safari has huge problems with hotmail.. I can't access in safari most of the time - and this is a documented problem - the site goes into an infinite redirect loop...

Yes, and it sucks! I read on here yesterday to reset safari and yes, I did get into hotmail but then today I try again and I get the infinite loop problem AGAIN.

I shouldn't have to reset safari every time (especially because I never did it before). I love but that is unacceptable, back on FireFox once again. FF may not be as pretty as safari but at least I can check my email.

 

[atsang]

This is the main reason I never uninstall IE if it's already been preinstalled to a PC.

Its the main reason i have Crossover installed with IE6 installed on my Mac.

 

[Zeos]

Lotus Notes Web Client no longer works with FF 3.0. Thank God for Time Machine!

Notes 8 Web Client no longer functions properly with FF3. I'm going back to FF2 (thanks Time Machine!!!!!! ).

 

[Devin994]

Works well

I downloaded this a few hours ago, I think this is a really great web browser!

 

[compuguy1088]

wow i didnt notice that, but now my homepage is broken hmm that sucks :\

This could possibly change with the launch of MobileMe and the whole "cloud" thing they are promoting, based on it looking different than what it is currently...

Edit: nm, didn't initially realize that its more of a regression issue. That would probably be more of a thing that will be fixed in 3.0.1 (hotfix).

 

[MagnusVonMagnum]

Regardless, FF is again better on Windows that it is on the Mac. On my Windows machine it is the primary browser yet on my Mac I only have it installed to test sites.

I'm curious what you think is better with Firefox3 in Windows versus the Mac. To me, they are functionally identical out of the box and the Mac version looks more strikingly different than the XP version with default settings. Beyond that, I don't find any major differences between the two defaults in behavior. I suppose the Windows version is a smaller download, if that counts.

 

[compuguy1088]

I think there is a problem with picture galleries created with iweb. Firefox 3 does not show them.

Any idea?

I tried a sample gallery that someone posted previously, and it seemed to display the pictures. It even worked in slideshow mode.