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MP: It's the season to be Jolly
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chaosbunny
macrumors 68020
I love the high moral standards here. Seems like the majority is calling this "theft" and want the op to return his "gift" Mac Pro. I wish such nice attitudes were encountered in real life more often. Which leads me to two conclusions:
1. Mac people are generally nicer than the average.
2. It's extremely easy to be a morally good guy in an anonymous online forum and being the same in real life is a whole different story.
Somehow number 2 sounds more reasonable. 😉
Happy new year everybody. 🙂
1. Mac people are generally nicer than the average.
2. It's extremely easy to be a morally good guy in an anonymous online forum and being the same in real life is a whole different story.
Somehow number 2 sounds more reasonable. 😉
Happy new year everybody. 🙂
akdj
macrumors 65816
...if you planned on keeping it, why in the hell would you post on the internet? That is your mistake....Right or wrong, you're screwed if they want it back!
I'm sure it doesn't happen often (a $3k mistake) at Apple, certainly not often enough for them NOT to notice an error like that. This being one of, if not the biggest Apple/Mac support and product sceptic site....as others have posted, you can BET they have their eyes on us! Guaranteed!
It's pretty easy, I'm sure, for any Apple employee, if they wish....to track down a shipment they made to Japan, Europe, Kuwait or wherever you are.
Pretty ignorant, posting about this, IMHO...
Again, right or wrong😉 I know what I would do, just because I do believe it to be theft...You know you didn't order it. You Know they already sent a perfectly working system, and you know you didn't pay for it. It's Theft, and in most municipalities, counties, boroughs, and Federally....it is Grand Theft I believe! Over a certain amount (200-500) and doing some real Time in the slammer....working on old G-3's with no internet access...LOL
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_theft
J
PS....Why in the Hell did you post on the internet?????🙄
I'm sure it doesn't happen often (a $3k mistake) at Apple, certainly not often enough for them NOT to notice an error like that. This being one of, if not the biggest Apple/Mac support and product sceptic site....as others have posted, you can BET they have their eyes on us! Guaranteed!
It's pretty easy, I'm sure, for any Apple employee, if they wish....to track down a shipment they made to Japan, Europe, Kuwait or wherever you are.
Pretty ignorant, posting about this, IMHO...
Again, right or wrong😉 I know what I would do, just because I do believe it to be theft...You know you didn't order it. You Know they already sent a perfectly working system, and you know you didn't pay for it. It's Theft, and in most municipalities, counties, boroughs, and Federally....it is Grand Theft I believe! Over a certain amount (200-500) and doing some real Time in the slammer....working on old G-3's with no internet access...LOL
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_theft
J
PS....Why in the Hell did you post on the internet?????🙄
Cause, laws are generally localised, often those that govern one nation, say the USA and those for another... Tend to differ.
hatehereyes
macrumors 6502a
First of all it's not grand theft because he didn't take the MP, it showed up on his doorstep.
It's a whole different story if apple contacts him and he tries to keep the computer but since they haven't it's not his problem and he doesn't have to do anything about it.
gazfocus
macrumors 68000
You know, the chances are, the OP never received a 2nd 'free' Mac Pro anyway. I mean, come one, firstly he says it has his details on the box...then he says Apple have no record of ever sending it??? That's not even possible.
If, for example, Apple use a 3rd party logistics company who store the Mac Pros in their warehouse. When a Mac Pro is ordered, Apple send the order through to the warehouse (the order must have stated 1 x 3.2GHz Mac Pro and 1 x 2.8GHz Mac Pro with your details attached). Then once the logistics company have shipped the Mac Pros, they bill Apple for them, again using your name/address/customer number as reference.
Therefore, as soon as the item leaves the warehouse, their will be several documents and computer files flying around between Apple and the warehouse that will have your name, address, etc on as well as EXACT details of what was sent to you and how much you paid.
Apple don't make stupid mistakes like this.
If, for example, Apple use a 3rd party logistics company who store the Mac Pros in their warehouse. When a Mac Pro is ordered, Apple send the order through to the warehouse (the order must have stated 1 x 3.2GHz Mac Pro and 1 x 2.8GHz Mac Pro with your details attached). Then once the logistics company have shipped the Mac Pros, they bill Apple for them, again using your name/address/customer number as reference.
Therefore, as soon as the item leaves the warehouse, their will be several documents and computer files flying around between Apple and the warehouse that will have your name, address, etc on as well as EXACT details of what was sent to you and how much you paid.
Apple don't make stupid mistakes like this.
Yeah! You believe that! If you wanna... but what happens if it's a true story? Does that mean your just envious, cause it didn't happen to you?🙄
😀 I'm sort of envious but then again not really. I still think Steve Jobs is meeting with several Yakuza hitmen in a dark alley as we speak, and showing them your photo and these posts on his iPhone. 😀 Your days are numbered, pal. 😉
This thread has been an amazing journey to read. People like kabelabs (pure comedy gold) make the internet worth while.
Congrats on the bonus system. I'd keep that sucker boxed up for a little while, but so long as they don't contact you any time soon, I think it's safe to say you're in the clear.
Companies make errors like this all the time. It is impossible for them to get this stuff back. Customers are certainly not expected to return the items (though I'm sure companies pray that they will).
Two MP's and an ACD, not a bad little order!
Congrats on the bonus system. I'd keep that sucker boxed up for a little while, but so long as they don't contact you any time soon, I think it's safe to say you're in the clear.
Companies make errors like this all the time. It is impossible for them to get this stuff back. Customers are certainly not expected to return the items (though I'm sure companies pray that they will).
Two MP's and an ACD, not a bad little order!
gazfocus
macrumors 68000
No, I'm not envious because if it did, I would contact Apple and tell them about their error...at least then I'd have a clear conscience. Also, if I did plan on keeping it (which I wouldn't), I certainly wouldn't post on one of the most well known Mac forums about it.
The only reason you posted on here is to brag which of course is up to you, but I don't think it's reasonable to expect everyone to agree with your actions.
I don't have a guilty conscience thanks very much. And another thing, I never straight-out said that I'm gonna keep it. That's what you and everyone have assumed. So much for your theories.
akdj
macrumors 65816
"First of all it's not grand theft because he didn't take the MP, it showed up on his doorstep."
You are as clueless as the OP. He signed for it "knowing full well he didn't pay for it" and took possession of it, "knowing full well he didn't pay for it." Grand Theft, period. End of story.
There is no grey area, this it theft, period. Grand Theft to it's true definition; "Taking possession of property valued in excess of $500 federally, $400 in many states."
It is NOT theft, however, if whoever's doorstep it DID show up up, DIDN'T take possession, refused deliver, or TOOK possession and returned to owner or sender. In fact, Mail and Wire Fraud can be even more exciting in Federal Court! I doubt this falls under fraud, but the OP is obviously WELL aware he didn't pay for it, the sender made a mistake, and he/she is considering keeping it (in which case, it would be theft).
Now, if the OP takes the appropriate steps to return it OR correct the mistake (should NOT be up to the OP to return the package anywhere physically, it should be picked up if re-claimed)...and these steps are documented, he/she can protect the asset and his or her decision.
HOWEVER, and my ONLY point to my previous post....other than my opinion, if he/she is or is planning to keep it (on the sly), it is ridiculous to boast the reception online, period. Whether or not others are envious is another story entirely...religious? Irrelevant. The law is the law (this is NOT an unsolicited goods, doesn't qualify....think BMG tapes and records, book and calendar clubs...that your credit card is incessantly charged for, etc.) and it will ALWAYS catch up with the Dumb Criminals! Guaranteed🙂
J
You are as clueless as the OP. He signed for it "knowing full well he didn't pay for it" and took possession of it, "knowing full well he didn't pay for it." Grand Theft, period. End of story.
There is no grey area, this it theft, period. Grand Theft to it's true definition; "Taking possession of property valued in excess of $500 federally, $400 in many states."
It is NOT theft, however, if whoever's doorstep it DID show up up, DIDN'T take possession, refused deliver, or TOOK possession and returned to owner or sender. In fact, Mail and Wire Fraud can be even more exciting in Federal Court! I doubt this falls under fraud, but the OP is obviously WELL aware he didn't pay for it, the sender made a mistake, and he/she is considering keeping it (in which case, it would be theft).
Now, if the OP takes the appropriate steps to return it OR correct the mistake (should NOT be up to the OP to return the package anywhere physically, it should be picked up if re-claimed)...and these steps are documented, he/she can protect the asset and his or her decision.
HOWEVER, and my ONLY point to my previous post....other than my opinion, if he/she is or is planning to keep it (on the sly), it is ridiculous to boast the reception online, period. Whether or not others are envious is another story entirely...religious? Irrelevant. The law is the law (this is NOT an unsolicited goods, doesn't qualify....think BMG tapes and records, book and calendar clubs...that your credit card is incessantly charged for, etc.) and it will ALWAYS catch up with the Dumb Criminals! Guaranteed🙂
J
akdj
macrumors 65816
"First of all it's not grand theft because he didn't take the MP, it showed up on his doorstep."
Another thing...I think I saw YOU on COPS last week, driving a stolen car🙂 Cop didn't give a **** either, when you mentioned the car was in your driveway when you walked out...screwdriver already installed into the steering column! "It just showed up in my driveway," I remember you saying on TV as they hauled you off to jail!
LOL
Another thing...I think I saw YOU on COPS last week, driving a stolen car🙂 Cop didn't give a **** either, when you mentioned the car was in your driveway when you walked out...screwdriver already installed into the steering column! "It just showed up in my driveway," I remember you saying on TV as they hauled you off to jail!
LOL
Infrared
macrumors 68000
I don't think it can be theft, because UltraNEO disapproves of thieves 😉
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ultraneo/583556675/
Excuse me, I signed for a delivery of one system, the carrier asked me to wait cause he's got another box! 😱
Get off that high horse and go re-read the thread again, you missed something.
Legally he did not steal it they just made a mistake.
Morally I would say you should not feel bad at all, Corporations are not people they are enities that are purely only after making profit. So screw em. 😡
The only thing I would worry about is the poor person that made the mistake might get fired, or atleast get yelled at. 🙁
Just keep it for a month or two unopened, then sell it or use it. 😀
Morally I would say you should not feel bad at all, Corporations are not people they are enities that are purely only after making profit. So screw em. 😡
The only thing I would worry about is the poor person that made the mistake might get fired, or atleast get yelled at. 🙁
Just keep it for a month or two unopened, then sell it or use it. 😀
Ohh... I'd much prefer to strip the damn thing, p0rn the parts for spares to users who'd either wanna build a MacPro, or users who'd need replacement parts for whatever reason... then preceded to customise the case for my own uses. Perhaps build a quality core i7 system in the case? It'll make for a great home for my latest system!!!
Time to warm that dremel! 😀
Haha...