Musclenerd is a talentless hack, or the Dev team needs a PR course

[dudeabiding]

Porting phones from carrier to carrier (assuming they used the same system -Verizon being one that doesn't) was supposed to be part of what we got with the bill of rights for cell phone users much discussed a while back (during Clinton?). That either happened and no one is enforcing it or it didn't and look where we are. A carrier should unlock a phone for a person being sent overseas in the Armed Forces. Period. A business traveler, it would be nice if they would be allowed to unlock given proof of travel. However, carriers are not doing this. Yell at them. Yell at Apple for going along with them. But someone who buys an AT&T phone in the current situation and then wants to change to a different carrier should know there is likely to be an issue. They can't depend on some hackers to get an unlock, and shouldn't make a fuss when the hackers don't move at the speed they wish. This is not about a promise (what promise, exactly, was there a specific date and time given, or was it a bit more open-ended?) not kept, this is about buying something you KNOW will only work on a single carrier and then whining when you can't use it on another. No one has any OBLIGATION to the user to do ANYTHING at any time. No fee was paid, and no service is required. If your phone can't be used without an unlock, here's an idea: buy another phone that can. It is not MN's responsibility that your phone works. He is not providing a service to you. If you JB and something goes wrong, you have only yourself to blame. If no unlock is available, then no unlock is available. Nobody's fault. You are choosing to play with your phone. There is no contract offered, or services implied. Just some people trying to help some other people do something outside the boundaries. So suck it up, man up, whatever you kids say today, and deal with it. They owe you nothing. The more people get on this thread and whine about how they were PROMISED this or that, the sillier they sound. Each time another analogy is put forth, the more ridiculous it sounds. Bottom line. You are on your own. No one owes you anything. If you feel that someone promised you something free at an exact time and date, good luck to you. Go to court, sue them. See how far that gets you.

Mr. Dylan once said, "To live outside the law you must first be honest." You are living outside the law. It's not up to MN or George or anyone else to help you out. You've made a choice. Live with it. Be honest about it. Shut up about it.

 

[Applejuiced]

First let me say that it's sad to watch MacRumors Forums turn into a "bash the OP" site. I can recall what I liked about this forum when first joining years back. The fact that it was a place to post and/or discuss issues and get solid feedback from those in the know.

You call the OP's thread a discussion or just straight up disrespectfull and full of self entitlement towards the JB community?

 

[dhlizard]

Obviously, most of those doing the complaining show their ignorance in their posts.

DevTeam has always used Twitter for their updates. Just the way it is. I guess if that bothers someone, they should find another hacker group to follow or start their own.

The latest exploit to unlock iPhone4's didn't work out. Who knew. These things are all trial and error. Doesn't mean they have stopped trying. I surely don't see any of those complaining doing anything to contribute to an unlock.

Some people just can't comprehend things correctly, which is why the U.S. is falling behind. SMH Bottom line, those "hackers" stated they had this/that done and in reality they didn't. They spoke too soon and now are hiding and have no answers as to why they failed. I'd say sell or trade your iphone 4 and pay whatever you can to get an unlocked iphone 4. Stop playing the waiting game, it's been several months and there was even barely a jailbreak here and there which some people didn't need anyways.

Yea, MuscleNerd, the lead hacker is hiding. So much that he spent all last night for hours and hours answering "valid" questions on Twitter. Perhaps you should check before making a "blanket" accusation.

 

[Wowzera]

Obviously, most of those doing the complaining show their ignorance in their posts.

DevTeam has always used Twitter for their updates. Just the way it is. I guess if that bothers someone, they should find another hacker group to follow or start their own.

The latest exploit to unlock iPhone4's didn't work out. Who knew. These things are all trial and error. Doesn't mean they have stopped trying. I surely don't see any of those complaining doing anything to contribute to an unlock.

Why you guys always say: "Why don't you do yourself? You're not contributing."
Well, has anyone here, except Musclenerd, said they have all the stuff done and then... Puff?

I don't care for unlock, since all iPhones in my country are factory unlocked. But come on, if you don't have anything, don't say you do, otherwise let the people complain.

 

[merics]

You call the OP's thread a discussion or just straight up disrespectfull and full of self entitlement towards the JB community?

Not defending the OP, not the focus of my post. Simply stating that too much of this knock the OP is occurring in our forum. If this were a product, it'd certainly be devalued as it's losing the true essence of forum intent. Let me offer the following to expound on what I feel MacRumors Forums have become a place for, more often then not >>>

Forums prefer a premise of open and free discussion and often adopt de facto standards. Most common topics on forums include questions, comparisons, polls of opinion as well as debates. It is not uncommon for nonsense or unsocial behavior to sprout as people lose temper, especially if the topic is controversial. Poor understanding of differences in values of the participants is a common problem on forums. Because replies to a topic are often worded aimed at someone's point of view, discussion will usually go slightly off into several directions as people question each others' validity, sources and so on. Circular discussion and ambiguity in replies can extend for several tens of posts of a thread eventually ending when everyone gives up or attention spans waver and a more interesting subject takes over. It is not uncommon for debate to end in ad hominem attacks.

 

[kuebby]

Not defending the OP, not the focus of my post. Simply stating that too much of this knock the OP is occurring in our forum. If this were a product, it'd certainly be devalued as it's losing the true essence of forum intent. Let me offer the following to expound on what I feel MacRumors Forums have become a place for, more often then not >>>

I have to respectfully disagree. I feel the increase in "OP bashing" is simply in response to the growing number of idiots who post stupid threads. You've been on here since at least 2007 so you remember, as I do, a time before the iPhone forum, before the iPad forum, when the people who frequented the site were truly Mac fans. Not to say that those who are here now are not, or that they're "fair weather fans" or anything of the sort, just that they often seem to not respect the community nearly as much as the people who have been here longer, or those that are more established in OSX/Mac in general, as opposed to just iOS.

This thread falls into the first kind I discussed. Stupid thread. If he wants an unlock so bad he should stop bashing the dev team, who GIVE AWAY THEIR WORK FOR FREE and either DO THE WORK HIMSELF or wait patiently.

 

[eastercat]

People aren't allowed to make mistakes when it comes to the unlock?
It doesn't help when the person who wrote the software for a number of the unlocks, including 1.59 and the ipad unlock, has up and disappeared. Now they're dependent on others, who may not be as adept at writing unlock software.
I don't know anything about writing software for unlocking, but perhaps it's possible that Apple injected another roadblock to unlocking that they just discovered. The devteam can't ignore it.
Also, even if they're right now in testing phase, they could be discovering that the unlock isn't stable. Do you want an unlock that crashes your phone, forcing you to DFU every day? Not that I mind the practice with DFU, but I'd prefer to avoid that headache.

You're wrong. They told us the ETA "soon after the 4.3 release, we'll need to do some testing, as it's already done".

 

[Applejuiced]

The red part apply for you fanboys of iphone dev-team.
Why you guys always say: "Why don't you do yourself? You're not contributing."
Well, has anyone here, except Musclenerd, said they have all the stuff done and then... Puff?

I don't care for unlock, since all iPhones in my country are factory unlocked. But come on, if you don't have anything, don't say you do, otherwise let the people complain.

Does MN or anyone owes you or any of the whiners anything?
He can say whatever he wants and don't need to explain anything.
When you come even 1% close to what the dev team has done then you can talk. Grow up.

 

[labman]

I have to respectfully disagree. I feel the increase in "OP bashing" is simply in response to the growing number of idiots who post stupid threads. You've been on here since at least 2007 so you remember, as I do, a time before the iPhone forum, before the iPad forum, when the people who frequented the site were truly Mac fans. Not to say that those who are here now are not, or that they're "fair weather fans" or anything of the sort, just that they often seem to not respect the community nearly as much as the people who have been here longer, or those that are more established in OSX/Mac in general, as opposed to just iOS.

This thread falls into the first kind I discussed. Stupid thread. If he wants an unlock so bad he should stop bashing the dev team, who GIVE AWAY THEIR WORK FOR FREE and either DO THE WORK HIMSELF or wait patiently.

1000+++ and lets add people that can't search the most basic question. How do I jailbreak my phone. sure they could search but it's easier to ask you rather then read 3 post down. where the same damn question is. or read stickies . But yet want help. and get there feeling her when we tell them to search. Somebody posting in the hack Dev-team and Musclenerd suck in the hack section should expect that some of us aren't going to like them. They are asking to be flamed so Flame on!!!! all these people are going to act like they are having a Minny organism when Dev-team releases a jailbreak or Unlock.

 

[jfox00]

summary

This thread is not about entitlement. This thread is not about bashing the dev team. This thread is about expectation management, and in that regard, I agree with the OP.

The dev team (and all iphone hacking teams that have developed and released tools) has done an amazing job. These groups have taken the iphone to a place that Apple would not allow - running on other networks and running custom software. We are not trying to place blame on anyone, as some commenter's have pointed out. We know that, in and ideal world, the iphone would not required a jailbreak and/or an unlock, and that we as consumers would pay less, and get more. Unfortunately, we do not live in an ideal world, and we come to rely on the tools and techniques these hacking teams have developed over the years.

The point that I take from the OP is that these development teams are not setting expectations effectively. To me, it's irrelevant if I'm paying for the service or if they are giving out free meals to the needy (as another commenter pointed out). The point is they are providing FREQUENT updates with VAGUE information. The easy answer, of course, is just deal with it. We (consumers) should be lucky/happy that we get any updates at all; these people have other commitments, day jobs, etc., and why should we feel entitled to more? Well, as I mentioned, it's about expectations. When MS or Google or Apple are going to provide a hardware/software update, many times the "party line" is vague ("it will be out in Q3, or 2nd half of 2012, etc.). But the difference here is that we get FREQUENT update about nothing. Personally, (and again, I'm not entitled to anything, and nobody needs to cater to me) I'd rather read an update when something substantive has occurred. I think the OP, in a way, is saying "stop with the frequent updates about nothing", give us something, or not. I know - half the people reading this thread will say "just stop reading it, if it bothers you so much!". And I have.

But, in an effort for the dev team to keep people on-board, and garner credit and followers, I would think it's in their best interest to provide updates that have meaning. Being vague on a delivery date is fine. Being unsure of a solution is fine. Just provide meaningful updates. If you were unsure of a solution 3 months ago, and you are unsure today, don't update everyone with "we think we might have tracked down a possible exploit". Again, the dev team can update us with whatever they want (and I don't feel entitled to anything, including perfect transparency into the day to day efforts) but it would be nice to get updates when relevant, with relevant information, on a as needed basis. And I think the new world of immediate communication (ala twitter) and the need for immediate updates has hindered this.

Hopefully these points can resonate with people on both sides of the fence. We're not feeling entitled, we just respectfully request relevant updates with clear expectation setting.

 

[CZK]

This thread is not about entitlement. This thread is not about bashing the dev team. This thread is about expectation management, and in that regard, I agree with the OP.

The dev team (and all iphone hacking teams that have developed and released tools) has done an amazing job. These groups have taken the iphone to a place that Apple would not allow - running on other networks and running custom software. We are not trying to place blame on anyone, as some commenter's have pointed out. We know that, in and ideal world, the iphone would not required a jailbreak and/or an unlock, and that we as consumers would pay less, and get more. Unfortunately, we do not live in an ideal world, and we come to rely on the tools and techniques these hacking teams have developed over the years.

The point that I take from the OP is that these development teams are not setting expectations effectively. To me, it's irrelevant if I'm paying for the service or if they are giving out free meals to the needy (as another commenter pointed out). The point is they are providing FREQUENT updates with VAGUE information. The easy answer, of course, is just deal with it. We (consumers) should be lucky/happy that we get any updates at all; these people have other commitments, day jobs, etc., and why should we feel entitled to more? Well, as I mentioned, it's about expectations. When MS or Google or Apple are going to provide a hardware/software update, many times the "party line" is vague ("it will be out in Q3, or 2nd half of 2012, etc.). But the difference here is that we get FREQUENT update about nothing. Personally, (and again, I'm not entitled to anything, and nobody needs to cater to me) I'd rather read an update when something substantive has occurred. I think the OP, in a way, is saying "stop with the frequent updates about nothing", give us something, or not. I know - half the people reading this thread will say "just stop reading it, if it bothers you so much!". And I have.

But, in an effort for the dev team to keep people on-board, and garner credit and followers, I would think it's in their best interest to provide updates that have meaning. Being vague on a delivery date is fine. Being unsure of a solution is fine. Just provide meaningful updates. If you were unsure of a solution 3 months ago, and you are unsure today, don't update everyone with "we think we might have tracked down a possible exploit". Again, the dev team can update us with whatever they want (and I don't feel entitled to anything, including perfect transparency into the day to day efforts) but it would be nice to get updates when relevant, with relevant information, on a as needed basis. And I think the new world of immediate communication (ala twitter) and the need for immediate updates has hindered this.

Hopefully these points can resonate with people on both sides of the fence. We're not feeling entitled, we just respectfully request relevant updates with clear expectation setting.

lol'd at everyone writing a wall of text about how people should not be angry at dev team.

So easy to talk when you are not the one waiting for an unlock since september 15th 2010 and having you hopes fed by this ''hacking'' team.

The only thing that they hacked in my case is my precious time.

Thanks to geohot for limera1n.

 

[jav6454]

lol'd at everyone writing a wall of text about how people should not be angry at dev team.

So easy to talk when you are not the one waiting for an unlock since september 15th 2010 and having you hopes fed by this ''hacking'' team.

The only thing that they hacked in my case is my precious time.

Thanks to geohot for limera1n.

So much for your precious egohot. He is about to rot in prison.

 

[Baggy Spandex]

So easy to talk when you are not the one waiting for an unlock since september 15th 2010 and having you hopes fed by this ''hacking'' team.

I don't understand this argument. They offer a free service. Free. They don't need to meet any expectations. They aren't obligated to do anything for anyone at any time.

The contributions they have made to the customizing community are immeasurable.

It's almost like a 'Superman' complex. If he hung his cape up for good, people would throw a ****-fit.

 

[CZK]

So much for your precious egohot. He is about to rot in prison.

In case you did not notice, dev-team is dead.

They did not release anything new since summer 2010 (since many of their members left or went inactive)

-Greenpois0n - chronic dev
-Limra1n -geohot
-Greenpois0n 4.2.1 - chronic dev
-imminent 4.3 jailbreak - not dev team


All they do is recycle old things like the ipad baseband with the iphone 3gs and 3g and same thing with jailbreak monte using old scripts and exploit.

Conclusion - dev team has changed and MN sucks really hard.


Last hope for unlocks: planetbeing's return or geohot

I don't understand this argument. They offer a free service. Free. They don't need to meet any expectations. They aren't obligated to do anything for anyone at any time.

The contributions they have made to the customizing community are immeasurable.

It's almost like a 'Superman' complex. If he hung his cape up for good, people would throw a ****-fit.

MN tweeted sa many lies ( such as giving detailed new about the unlock on dec 25th 2010, which he never did and dodged). They used the word soon so many times and fed the hype for months.

Yes they owe something to people following their twitter.

 

[MikePA]

He is about to rot in prison.

He's also about to learn new definitions for jailbreak, hacking and code injection.

"Hi, George. I hear they call you geohot. My name is Ben Dover."

 

[Applejuiced]

lol'd at everyone writing a wall of text about how people should not be angry at dev team.

So easy to talk when you are not the one waiting for an unlock since september 15th 2010 and having you hopes fed by this ''hacking'' team.

The only thing that they hacked in my case is my precious time.

Thanks to geohot for limera1n.

Easy, don't get your hopes up.
Don't follow every tweet or rumor and let yourself down if they take longer or hit an obstacle.
When and if it's ready it will be out.
You put yourself in that spot. You knew there was no unlock and phone was carrier locked.
Do something about it and don't depend on others free work. Get a factory unlocked iPhone.

 

[Baggy Spandex]

Yes they owe something to people following their twitter.

No, they don't. They don't owe anyone anything, no matter what they say. It's not like you ordered a product or service with real money and the goods were never delivered. You gave nothing and you got nothing, I don't see where people are owed anything.

 

[CZK]

No, they don't. They don't owe anyone anything, no matter what they say. It's not like you ordered a product or service with real money and the goods were never delivered. You gave nothing and you got nothing, I don't see where people are owed anything.

Sure, i bet you were not even aware that people where waiting for an unlock until this week.

So easy to tell others what to do and what to thin uh ?

 

[Wowzera]

Does MN or anyone owes you or any of the whiners anything?
He can say whatever he wants and don't need to explain anything.
When you come even 1% close to what the dev team has done then you can talk. Grow up.

Obviously he can say anything he wants, BUT, he will suffer the consequences. I'm not in the hacking scene, why would I care about that? All I want is a jailbreak, if they come, ok, good, if they don't, sad, but ok. BUT, if someone, every week, or always when he isn't in focus (ego) say he has something ready and need some testing, I will ask him why it isn't done. Good that this time he said: I failed, I lied.

Also, he has never told us that the unlock didn't work, as far as I am aware the BB is the same (4.2.1 and 4.3), so nothing has changed. After 1 week in focus about he having a unlock for the current BB, he just come and say "Oh, I never had it done, it was just a try".

Anyone can try. I will try

 

[Baggy Spandex]

Sure, i bet you were not even aware that people where waiting for an unlock until this week.

So easy to tell others what to do and what to thin uh ?

I'm not telling anybody what to do or what to think. But, the fact that you think people owe you something for absolutely no contribution from yourself speaks volumes. Once again...why do they owe you an unlock? Because they did it in the past? Because they said they were coming up with one soon? What gives you the right to think you deserve something?

 

[Wowzera]

Easy, don't get your hopes up.
Don't follow every tweet or rumor and let yourself down if they take longer or hit an obstacle.
When and if it's ready it will be out.
You put yourself in that spot. You knew there was no unlock and phone was carrier locked.
Do something about it and don't depend on others free work. Get a factory unlocked iPhone.

Every tweet?? What about MN own tweets?
You say we shouldn't trust MN tweets and then trust. What should we do? Be a iPhone dev-team pet like you?

 

[CZK]

I'm not telling anybody what to do or what to think. But, the fact that you think people owe you something for absolutely no contribution from yourself speaks volumes. Once again...why do they owe you an unlock? Because they did it in the past? Because they said they were coming up with one soon? What gives you the right to think you deserve something?

They owe something to people because they said for months that they would deliver the unlock.

They lied.

Is that a good reason ? i think so.



Dev-team is now Dead-team

There is obviously no talented hackers since they all left. MN is a damn clown.

Sherrif confirmed that his crashes were working on 02 and 03 basebands and right now MN is tweeting about a new exploit using bruteforce 40 bits

Yeah... MN is a damn joke. Beside recycling old scripts and programs that others did hes useless ( aka jailbreak monte and ultra-recycle)

 

[michael.lauden]

[...]
Yes they owe something to people following their twitter.

You are following their twitter for updates - they don't base their daily schedules on how many RT's or followers they have.

"ya man, we have 40k followers now, let's just release that unlock we've had sitting on my desktop for the past few months"

If you paid a monthly bill, and they didn't release updates - then I could see how you could get the 'they owe us' mentality.

If you guys are such PR pros, and know how to run this type of company better - do it. Go post some programming ads around local college CS departments and on Craigslist - c'mon I dare ya

 

[Baggy Spandex]

They owe something to people because they said for months that they would deliver the unlock.

They lied.

Is that a good reason ? i think so.

Your logic is hilarious. In any other portion of the software development world, if a developer was updating a free program and abandoned it, people would move on with their lives.

Your perception of being owed something is obviously skewed.

 

[nebo1ss]

So much for your precious egohot. He is about to rot in prison.

This is very unfair to express this opinion on Geohot. He has not contributed to this thread. He left the IPHONE hacking world for the same thing you are defending here "The unfair expectation put on the dev team" and has done nothing but good for the community.

There is zero chance he will go to prison. He deserves our support instead of snide comments like this. It is people like him who defend our right to do what we like with the products we buy.

Come on keep it clean.