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Music Industry Fears Apple and is also Subject to iTunes Popularity Rankings
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Apple's under no requirement to make its competitors devices work with their software, rather companies like Creative and iRiver should be in the business of making their players work with iTunes. If Apple was intentionally breaking this compatibility that would be a different set of problems, but Apple isn't required to help the competition develop their devices.
Kurosov is correct, the other manufacturers are using their own schemes, and often Microsoft's DRM, in an attempt to create a competitive advantage. That this strategy has been a failure since 2002-2003 is their problem. Again, Apple's under no obligation to make their software work with Creative, iRiver, Dell, or Microsoft, or the other dozen-odd manufacturers out there.
EDIT: Someone mentioned that MTV2 plays videos and in looking through their schedule for today and all I see is 24 hours of reality-TV, including a five-hour block of "HSS: Scandals, Pranks & Controversies."
Yet their recent announcement of removing DRM negates your arguement. digital downloads are useful for people who like to take their music on the go, do not use a cd player at home or do not have the space to store alot of physical boxes.
The iTunes store is also hardly a monopoly as there are a variety of digital music stores available for people to choose from.
Funny, my purchased tracks seem to play just fine in iTunes or if I burn them to CD.
This in a way doesn't surprise me too much. The shift of technology has allowed the likes of Amazon and Apple to shift the balance of power within the music industry. I know that if I want my music released in the future, it probably won't be with a record company: the Internet has given birth to the modern musician/band.
P.S. This will take ages to get in Australia
P.S. This will take ages to get in Australia
Heh thats what I was thinking. Back when I was getting into Macs iTunes was in its infant stages. I remember telling a friend back in school (in 2001) that MP3 is going to take over everything in a few years, but if someone told me Apple would be running the show then I'd never have believed it.
I think the engineers in Sony's customer electronics division will completely agree with you. What percentage of the iPod market does Sony have today? I had a quick look, the first Sony MP3 player on Amazon is #66. If they hadn't been held back by their music division, it might have been Sony who dominates that market. Even if they had only got 25 percent market share, Sony could have made more money with music players than they make by selling music.
Yup
The music industry and the movie industry are both scared of Apple. Now that Apple got what they wanted from the music industry, they need to start negotiating with the movie industry to get more. Why the heck is Hulu allowed to show free ad-supported shows and movies and Apple isn't? Think about how huge iTunes would be if you could get movies/tv free with Ads. Consumers would then have the ultimate choice in a medium that they already are used to. It's retarded that NBC posts full versions of their shows on their site for free but charges for them to be on iTunes. Consumers shouldn't have to go to a million sites to watch the shows they want...they should be able to go to iTunes and get everything they want...the way they want it. If they want to "own" the show/movie...fine then buy it. If they want to rent it..fine do that too. If you want to have a free ad-supported show put on your iPhone/iPod they should be able to do that also. Apple is so close...they need to do some more hard negotiating and make this idea happen. If Hulu can do it...so can Apple...except better.
The music industry and the movie industry are both scared of Apple. Now that Apple got what they wanted from the music industry, they need to start negotiating with the movie industry to get more. Why the heck is Hulu allowed to show free ad-supported shows and movies and Apple isn't? Think about how huge iTunes would be if you could get movies/tv free with Ads. Consumers would then have the ultimate choice in a medium that they already are used to. It's retarded that NBC posts full versions of their shows on their site for free but charges for them to be on iTunes. Consumers shouldn't have to go to a million sites to watch the shows they want...they should be able to go to iTunes and get everything they want...the way they want it. If they want to "own" the show/movie...fine then buy it. If they want to rent it..fine do that too. If you want to have a free ad-supported show put on your iPhone/iPod they should be able to do that also. Apple is so close...they need to do some more hard negotiating and make this idea happen. If Hulu can do it...so can Apple...except better.
I don't think we have to fear Apple becoming too powerful because in the end the record companies hold the rights and they could move to a different distributer if Apple got corrupt
Apple has really done nothing to hurt record companies sales right now, they just removed the DRM, upped the quality, and allowed them to charge a couple other prices as they see fit. Of course they also made them charge the same over cell towers as they do on the computer, which only makes sense.
So in the long run Apple is helping record companies.
Apple has really done nothing to hurt record companies sales right now, they just removed the DRM, upped the quality, and allowed them to charge a couple other prices as they see fit. Of course they also made them charge the same over cell towers as they do on the computer, which only makes sense.
So in the long run Apple is helping record companies.
The music industry and the movie industry are both scared of Apple. Now that Apple got what they wanted from the music industry, they need to start negotiating with the movie industry to get more. Why the heck is Hulu allowed to show free ad-supported shows and movies and Apple isn't? Think about how huge iTunes would be if you could get movies/tv free with Ads. Consumers would then have the ultimate choice in a medium that they already are used to. It's retarded that NBC posts full versions of their shows on their site for free but charges for them to be on iTunes. Consumers shouldn't have to go to a million sites to watch the shows they want...they should be able to go to iTunes and get everything they want...the way they want it. If they want to "own" the show/movie...fine then buy it. If they want to rent it..fine do that too. If you want to have a free ad-supported show put on your iPhone/iPod they should be able to do that also. Apple is so close...they need to do some more hard negotiating and make this idea happen. If Hulu can do it...so can Apple...except better.
I would rather pay for the TV shows and movies without having to watch those ads.I've been buying shows for over a year now knowing that I could watch them elsewhere as long as I watch those ads. No thanks.
You know what's even more amazing? In 33 years, Macs control only 7.4% of the market...that no one fears.
The iTunes store is most definitely not a monopoly. It was only last year that it topped Wal-Mart in music sales, and I'm fairly sure that a lot of people still buy music at Wal-Mart, Best Buy, Target and Amazon (the other 4 of the top 5 music retailers).
I also guarantee you that more people own CD players than iPods. There have been about 180 million iPods sold worldwide. There are 6 billion people on the planet. CD players have been around for about 30 years now and have probably outsold iPods at least 10-fold.
Again, the iTunes store isn't even close to a monopoly. It's more like Boardwalk.
who seriously believes this NYTimes crap?
This is the next phase of the record industry's campaign to paint Apple as abusing a monopoly. "We, the pirate-ravaged record industry, are being bullied by the all powerful Apple iTunes." And the NY Times has either fallen for it, or (check their ownership) are co-operating in the record industry's campaign.
Let's look at the facts.
The announcement was a HUGE win for the record industry. Apple has handed the retail price of music product back to the record industry, who now control all retail prices on-line. The record industry can jack up the price on iTunes, so they don't have to take as much of a loss on Amazon to steal market from... iTunes. And there's NOTHING Apple can do about it.
The announcement was a small gain for Apple - yes they lose DRM, but now iTunes music is playable on other manufacturer's players - loss of exclusivity. The gamble is that- getting rid of DRM will win back customers who were shopping elsewhere. Nowhere near as good a deal for Apple as for the record industry, who are back in charge of the retail price of music - the one thing Steve was protecting us all from, by remaining intractable on the 99¢ price.
Thirdly, the NYTimes article informs us that the record industry 'claims' Apple had the upper hand in the negotiations. The only advantage Apple had, was that because they give their customers great service, they've become a large retailer. The record industry could turn off the tap tomorrow and iTunes would have no 'content' to sell. This happened with Universal/NBC and video content, so we know both the likelihood of it actually happening and the effect it would have on iTunes. This is misinformation from the record industry, who wouldn't publicly confirm their 'claims'.
So lets see if there's an explanation that fits the facts.
Having achieved an Apple back-down on price, and 'intractable Steve' out of the picture for at least 6 months, the record industry has seized the opportunity to begin a publicity campaign against Apple and iTunes. Specifically the power of the iTunes home page...
“Whether the industry likes it or not, the iTunes chart showing the most popular songs in America is a major influencer of how kids today discover and communicate with their friends what kind of music they like,” said Charlie Walk, the former president of Epic Records, a unit of Sony Music. “It’s a very powerful thing right now in American pop culture and immediately validates a hit song.”
Nasty, nasty Apple providing customers a service, instead of letting the record industry dictate the taste of music buyers. When will this madness end? Soon if the record industry gets its way.
This is the next phase of the record industry's campaign to paint Apple as abusing a monopoly. "We, the pirate-ravaged record industry, are being bullied by the all powerful Apple iTunes." And the NY Times has either fallen for it, or (check their ownership) are co-operating in the record industry's campaign.
Let's look at the facts.
The announcement was a HUGE win for the record industry. Apple has handed the retail price of music product back to the record industry, who now control all retail prices on-line. The record industry can jack up the price on iTunes, so they don't have to take as much of a loss on Amazon to steal market from... iTunes. And there's NOTHING Apple can do about it.
The announcement was a small gain for Apple - yes they lose DRM, but now iTunes music is playable on other manufacturer's players - loss of exclusivity. The gamble is that- getting rid of DRM will win back customers who were shopping elsewhere. Nowhere near as good a deal for Apple as for the record industry, who are back in charge of the retail price of music - the one thing Steve was protecting us all from, by remaining intractable on the 99¢ price.
Thirdly, the NYTimes article informs us that the record industry 'claims' Apple had the upper hand in the negotiations. The only advantage Apple had, was that because they give their customers great service, they've become a large retailer. The record industry could turn off the tap tomorrow and iTunes would have no 'content' to sell. This happened with Universal/NBC and video content, so we know both the likelihood of it actually happening and the effect it would have on iTunes. This is misinformation from the record industry, who wouldn't publicly confirm their 'claims'.
So lets see if there's an explanation that fits the facts.
Having achieved an Apple back-down on price, and 'intractable Steve' out of the picture for at least 6 months, the record industry has seized the opportunity to begin a publicity campaign against Apple and iTunes. Specifically the power of the iTunes home page...
“Whether the industry likes it or not, the iTunes chart showing the most popular songs in America is a major influencer of how kids today discover and communicate with their friends what kind of music they like,” said Charlie Walk, the former president of Epic Records, a unit of Sony Music. “It’s a very powerful thing right now in American pop culture and immediately validates a hit song.”
Nasty, nasty Apple providing customers a service, instead of letting the record industry dictate the taste of music buyers. When will this madness end? Soon if the record industry gets its way.
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The "Music Industry"?
You mean, those same 6 guys are still whining because no one's interested in their product anymore because Personal Computers, the Internet and iPods have rendered their antiquated Recording and CD businesses -> passé?
Tempis Fugit, guys...
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The "Music Industry"?
You mean, those same 6 guys are still whining because no one's interested in their product anymore because Personal Computers, the Internet and iPods have rendered their antiquated Recording and CD businesses -> passé?
Tempis Fugit, guys...
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Funny, my purchased tracks seem to play just fine in iTunes or if I burn them to CD.
Or with the entire music library moving to DRM-free iTunes plus, any competing player that supports ACC. The point is valid when it comes to video though.
List of 3rd party iTunes compatible MP3 players
Here is the link to the following APPLE support doc:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2172
You mean this list from Apples support site?
iTunes for Mac OS X: Compatible Players
Last Modified: July 22, 2008
Article: HT2172
Old Article: 93548
Summary
Learn which digital music players and CD MP3 players you can use with iTunes and Mac OS X.
Products Affected
Mac OS X 10.4, Mac OS X 10.3, Mac OS X 10.2, Mac OS X 10.1, Mac OS X 10.0, iTunes, Mac OS X 10.5
iTunes for Mac OS X has built-in support for digital music players and for CD MP3 players.
Notes
To play AAC and AAC Protected songs, your iPod must have iPod Software 1.3 or later installed. Not all digital music players can play AAC songs and only iPod can play AAC Protected songs.
Songs you import from an audio CD using the AAC format can be converted to MP3 files, which you can burn to MP3 CDs or play on third-party digital music players.
Songs purchased from the iTunes Store are encoded using the AAC Protected format and cannot be converted to MP3 format. You can burn them to audio CDs and play them in consumer audio CD players.
Digital Players Manufacturer Connection
iPod Apple FireWire / USB
Nomad II Creative Labs USB
Nomad II MG Creative Labs USB
Nomad II c Creative Labs USB
Nomad Jukebox Creative Labs USB
Nomad Jukebox 20GB Creative Labs USB
Nomad Jukebox C Creative Labs USB
Novad MuVo Creative Labs USB
Rio One SONICBlue/S3 USB
Rio 500 SONICBlue/S3 USB
Rio 600 SONICBlue/S3 USB
Rio 800 SONICBlue/S3 USB
Rio 900 SONICBlue/S3 USB
Rio S10 SONICBlue/S3 USB
Rio S11 SONICBlue/S3 USB
Rio S30S SONICBlue/S3 USB
Rio S35S SONICBlue/S3 USB
Rio S50 SONICBlue/S3 USB
Rio Chiba SONICBlue/S3 USB
Rio Fuse SONICBlue/S3 USB
Rio Cali SONICBlue/S3 USB
psa]play 60 Nike USB
psa]play 120 Nike USB
SoundSpace 2 Nakamichi USB
CD MP3 Players Manufacturer
RioVolt SP250 SONICBlue/S3
RioVolt SP100 SONICBlue/S3
RioVolt SP90 SONICBlue/S3
Here is the link to the following APPLE support doc:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2172
You mean this list from Apples support site?
iTunes for Mac OS X: Compatible Players
Last Modified: July 22, 2008
Article: HT2172
Old Article: 93548
Summary
Learn which digital music players and CD MP3 players you can use with iTunes and Mac OS X.
Products Affected
Mac OS X 10.4, Mac OS X 10.3, Mac OS X 10.2, Mac OS X 10.1, Mac OS X 10.0, iTunes, Mac OS X 10.5
iTunes for Mac OS X has built-in support for digital music players and for CD MP3 players.
Notes
To play AAC and AAC Protected songs, your iPod must have iPod Software 1.3 or later installed. Not all digital music players can play AAC songs and only iPod can play AAC Protected songs.
Songs you import from an audio CD using the AAC format can be converted to MP3 files, which you can burn to MP3 CDs or play on third-party digital music players.
Songs purchased from the iTunes Store are encoded using the AAC Protected format and cannot be converted to MP3 format. You can burn them to audio CDs and play them in consumer audio CD players.
Digital Players Manufacturer Connection
iPod Apple FireWire / USB
Nomad II Creative Labs USB
Nomad II MG Creative Labs USB
Nomad II c Creative Labs USB
Nomad Jukebox Creative Labs USB
Nomad Jukebox 20GB Creative Labs USB
Nomad Jukebox C Creative Labs USB
Novad MuVo Creative Labs USB
Rio One SONICBlue/S3 USB
Rio 500 SONICBlue/S3 USB
Rio 600 SONICBlue/S3 USB
Rio 800 SONICBlue/S3 USB
Rio 900 SONICBlue/S3 USB
Rio S10 SONICBlue/S3 USB
Rio S11 SONICBlue/S3 USB
Rio S30S SONICBlue/S3 USB
Rio S35S SONICBlue/S3 USB
Rio S50 SONICBlue/S3 USB
Rio Chiba SONICBlue/S3 USB
Rio Fuse SONICBlue/S3 USB
Rio Cali SONICBlue/S3 USB
psa]play 60 Nike USB
psa]play 120 Nike USB
SoundSpace 2 Nakamichi USB
CD MP3 Players Manufacturer
RioVolt SP250 SONICBlue/S3
RioVolt SP100 SONICBlue/S3
RioVolt SP90 SONICBlue/S3
Hey YOOOoooo
All you people who said Apple LOVES DRM. Where are you?
Where are all those clowns?
All you people who said Apple LOVES DRM. Where are you?
Where are all those clowns?
then your problem is not the store, its the program. because stuff from the store (well plus anyway, but its soon all plus) will work on any MP3 player, gaenteed. so this is the wrong thread to be posting your complaints.
thats not apple, thats the person who uploaded the file. its there call, apple doesn't care, they say people can put whatever they want on the store (as long as its not illegal, or like, porn)
odiously you weren't informed that by april (maybe march? i forgot the exact month), there will be no drm music on the store at all. apple has been pushing for this from the start, but they used drm cuase the lables made them untill they had enough power to tall them to shove it, and thats exactly what they did. be happy, your wish came true.
iTunes has a pretty good plug-in structure that devices could use to write sync interfaces since well it's Soundjam days. If the players wanted to do anything outside the ordinary. Oddly it seems this only ever got used by Apple to write the iPod sync and some core graphics visualizers.
Actually, if you look at the list of other devices that iTunes supports, those were all released before Microsoft started their Plays For Sure marketing scheme. So it very much does have more to do with the device manufacturers and Microsoft and less to do with Apple. Thinking that it's purely Apple's desire to sell more iPods that led to no recent competing devices being supported in iTunes is, quite frankly, naive.
Universal and Vivendi are the same company.........