OS X equals permanently better speced.
Heh not at all. Not when you can't play games, or watch legally acquired high definition movies, or use the GPU for much improved video quality..
I mean, in all honesty, the only advantage OS X has over Windows is that it has bit-perfect digital audio output. So music sounds a little better if you're running an optical cable into a DAC. But thats offset by the sheer amount of software, online media stores, games, and hardware capabilities that come with Windows.
She'll never forgive you for making her go through the living hell that is Vista
What "hell" is Vista? I'm using Vista on my HP right now because I decided to sync my iPhone and, for some reason, Apple chose to make the backup and syncing process take FOREVER with 2.0 and iTunes 7.7. Vista is FAST (faster than XP on the same hardware in my experience), it is stable, UAC captures all forms of malware and prevents them from being installed and it only shows up as often as a password prompt does in OS X. It takes advantage of my GPU for video playback, so my DVDs look 10x better than they do in OS X, and I can play blu-ray movies as a result.
So, seriously, what "hell?"
Hey, that's a long post about nothing, so you must have a point in there somewhere.
And yeah, it's all you. You and your labeling and your ignorant ideology that windows gives you stability and the righteousness to to declare that you know something about computers, when you clearly don't.
I rarely do laugh out loud when I read forum posts, but this was one of those moments.
Here we have a classic example of someone who got proven wrong in every way they could be, someone who should have just bowed out and kept their mouth shut, and now they're coming back and trying to save face by flaming the person who proved them wrong.
Absolutely hilarious.
So all of those problems were my fault, eh? It was my fault that OS X froze when I clicked "Empty Trash". It was my fault that OS X reported "Verification Failed" on every DVD burned at full speed and that those same discs returned "Cycle Redundancy" errors on Windows machines, right? You should seriously be a comedian.
According to your myspace, you're 33. I've been building PCs since you were a teenager and running tech support for friends and family (all of which have NEVEr had ANY issues with the systems I've built for them) for just as long.
I've been using various macs for 6 years now without a problem, so honestly, that makes you pretty os x dumb. I can fix my stuff, what's your problem?
How can you fix a problem you can't repeat and absolutely nothing shows up in the system.log?
I would gladly have fixed my SuperDrive if Apple had made it user-replaceable, like any other respectable manufacturer. But I'm not foolish enough to perform surgery on the system and void my warranty and BUY a drive out of warranty to fix something that would have been covered under warranty.
The great thing here is that any other manufacturer would have just sent out a new drive, I could have loosened a screw, pulled the drive out, pushed the new one in, tightened that screw and been done with it.
I've done tech support for Apple, and what we would do to people like you, was to just send your "supposed" defective macbook back to you without a repair until you gave up or went back to windows. People like you are never happy and are always looking to prove that Apple is inferior.
rofl my "supposed" defective hardware. Yeah, so, again, it was ALL my imagination. OS X never told me that my discs were failing verification. It never froze on me. You're hilarious man. Seriously.
You can tell from your list of problems that you are a troll, a hypochondriac, and an intellectually inferior windows zealot.
rofl a hypochondriac? Yeah, so everything that happened was all in my head. OS X never froze on me. It was humming along fine all along. That "Failed Verification" notice I got with every disc I burned at full speed was also imaginary. It never happened. It was all in my head. And my video conversation on Skype where the system locked up? That never happened either. My friend on the other end just decided to pull a prank and act froze in spot.
I've got a plush bank account, a couple of cases of wine, and nothing better to do than hijack this post and turn it ugly.
Oh I also wanted to add that vinyl sucks. They only sound better to those who think distortion sounds good. Well mastered digital audio walks all over vinyl.
hat is not apple's fault. granted, they sometimes have component flaws but they're not widespread and they'll fix them. however it is your responsibility to call upon them to do it, not to complain when you did nothing for months.
I never said it was Apple's fault that I didn't send it in for repair immediately. I simply could not be without a computer. And its a good thing I waited until I had a secondary computer! Thanks to Flextronics botching the repair, I was without my MacBook for 3 weeks!
The botched repairs and bad components ARE Apples fault.
apple replaced your macbook. REPLACED. dell and hp would never do that.
Apple only replaced my system because I was without it for 3 weeks and because the repair facility kept botching the repairs.
Yes, HP DOES replace systems. I can vouch for that. Not only do they replace your hardware, but they UPGRADE you every time they do replace it.
you could have accessed or downloaded something that didn't affect you until later. which therefore would have been your fault.
rofl so, again, its somehow my fault that the DVD writer had a physical component malfunction?
Oh, and isn't everything in OS X supposed to be "Sandboxed"? How would a downloaded application affect OS X in a manner so that it freezes while emptying the trash or burning a disc?
The lack of logic here is simply amazing.
imho, visiting random websites and opening up random pictures doesn't sound like the healthiest idea for a computer.
Because visiting macrumors, fark, and other reputable sites and getting pictures that the users post in forums that are plainly visible is somehow bad for your computer. Right.
Again, wheres the logic in your argument?
running windows 98 either last year or the year before. (i know, my parents are technologically amish.) open up internet explorer. BAM blank hard drive.
running xp two weeks ago. click on firefox icon. BAM blank hard drive. and i mean wiped. reverted back to the black DOS screen telling me i had an invalid boot diskette. both times. so i wouldn't be extolling the virtues of windows without taking into consideration the difficulties and trouble it's given many people. i'm just waiting for the new hp my parents bought to crash...
Your problems are the result of bad and failing hardware. Not Windows.
meanwhile i know zero people who've had stability issues with os x, but several who have had stability issues of ranging degrees of severity with various versions of windows.
I guess you're the only person you know with OS X? I deal with around 100 people on a regular basis that use Macs and a good 3 out of 4 will complain about something in OS X at one point or another.
nor is it effective in limiting the amount of childish arguing that clogs up these threads.
If you want to talk about childish arguing, then go talk to "dadsgravy"
H/W
Dell: Next day on-site for 4 years
Macbook: Apple store (3 hrs away from school) or mail to Apple
Don't forget that Apple contracts MacBook repairs out to Flextronics. A quick look around here will reveal that Flextronics is easily one of the worst companies to deal with ever. If something goes wrong, chances are Flextronics will make it worse.
Macs run Windows and OS X. There is NO excuse for not getting one.
I can think of a number of reasons not to get a Mac. Bad video quality (no system wide hardware acceleration for video playback) and HEAT being two major reasons.
Wow, what did you do to it?
Again, what did *I* do to it? How is it my fault that OS X simply freezes at random when I've done absolutely nothing, or I'm using it in a manner similar to what everyone else does? How is it my fault that the DVD writer on my first MacBook couldn't write DVDs properly? Ridiculous.
When we had a new DELL, after about 90 days or so, my wife would call and say it crawling, and weird things were happening. Turned out to be a VSCAN running in the background. Mind you, this was XP...
Its not Windows fault that neither one of you know how to use software properly.
It's not telling you to reboot
OS X requires rebooting just as often as Vista does.
You only need to worry about virus scanning if you visit shady sites or do things you probably shouldn't be doing.
I tested Vista for two companies. From BETA thru the RTM phase. Even after SP1 it's still garbage. I wouldn't send it to my worst enemy...
Hah, how is Vista garbage? Please explain this. After SP1 and new drivers, Vista now runs my games and CPU intensive tasks faster than it did in XP on the same hardware. Vista takes an extra 20 seconds to boot compared to OS X (33 versus around 55 seconds), but applications launch faster (after a fresh boot, Firefox opens as quick as I click the icon, it takes seconds in OS X) Vista takes advantage of my GPU for video playback, so the hardware does all of the deblocking, deinterlacing, upscaling, color correction, etc.
After using Vista and OS X for over a year now, I would honestly take Vista over OS X if I had to choose just one OS/computer.
Windows Nightmare
Plug in my camera -->
1. Windows tells me "You connected xxxxxx camera" DUH!! I already know this!!
2. Windows tells me "Windows is looking from drivers" Well, that is highly appreciated, but it's your job to do it and not tell me you are doing it
3. Finally Windows says "You device is ready for use" Ain't that nice? But that is why I plugged in the camera in the first place!! To use it with the pc you dumb OS
Windows only does that the first time you plug in a device. If you hadn't noticed, the first time you plug in a similar device in OS X, it takes about the same amount of time for it to be useable.
Also, show them through that powerpoint how Macs are not prone to viruses like PC [explain this to a point in which they understand they won;t be needing that tech guy again]. This should help further convince your parents of the cost as with Macs you don't need Anti-Virus or Anti-Spyware software nor an annual subscription to renew.
Don't forget to tell them that you don't need anti-virus on Windows either, unless you plan on visiting sites and doing things you probably shouldn't be doing to begin with.
Ugh, I had just canceled an order from dell and decided to get the next macbook updates when they come out, but then MOSX's experiences make me second-guess my potential mac purchase. My current imac has worked flawlessly for 2+ years, but if his experience with the macbooks are as bad as he says, I might as well get a cheaper, higher-specificed ASUS. Although ASUS's customer service reputation is lousy, it doesn't sound like apple's would be any better if push came to shove. Any more thoughts on your purchase, mosx?
When I first got my MacBook, I loved it. I took it everywhere, recommended it to a lot of people who asked me about it. I was completely satisfied and basically an Apple fanboy at that point.
But as time went on, I started realizing the MacBook couldn't do the things I wanted it to do. It has no dedicated graphics. Some people will say "I don't play games" well, even if you don't play games, dedicated graphics can benefit you in other ways. Vista (and XP) has system wide hardware acceleration for video playback. Basically, if you have a modern GPU, it can do full bitstream decoding of all modern codecs, it can deblock them (clean up the compression artifacts), deinterlace, properly upscale (rather than stretch like Apple's software does), and all kinds of other neat things for video.
As a result of that, a $599 HP dv5z (with the upgrade or external drive) can play blu-ray movies.
You also have to think about the hardware you get for the money. If you go with HP (I know their systems best), for $100 less than the cost of the middle MacBook, you can get an AMD Puma based system with Hybrid Crossfire, so your graphics performance is better than that of the MacBook Pro, blu-ray, HDMI output, memory card reader, fingerprint reader, 1680x1050 15.4" glass screen, 2GB of RAM, 160 (or 250GB) drive, etc. For less than the cost of the black MacBook, you can get all of that in an Intel system (2.4GHz Penryn, Montevina chipset) with a GeForce 9600M GT.
For less than the cost of the middle MacBook, you can get that Intel system without blu-ray. For less than the cost of the entry MacBook, you can get that same AMD system without blu-ray.
Honestly, Apple's customer support isn't the best. I will admit that their executive customer support team is great, but you have to get your problem up to that level first. Which means calling the regular support that is only open on weekdays until 6PM, or driving to an Apple store.
Honestly, the only way I will buy another Apple computer is if the hardware prices get in-line with what you get with PCs.
Theres no reason I should have to spend $1,999 on a MacBook Pro just to get a 15.4" system with a GeForce 8600M GT when, for $1,200, I can get an HP with a faster processor, faster chipset, and a GeForce 9600M GT with twice the memory, as well as other accessories standard like HDMI output, fullsize ExpressCard, memory card reader, fingerprint reader, etc.
I do love my iPods and iPhone though. If I didn't have an iPhone I would buy an iPod touch immediately. Apple's consumer electronics are fantastic. But their computers are too far behind, spec wise, for any reasonably intelligent person to consider them.
