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My Parents Hate Apple
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Kid to Kid advisory: Do NOT follow this advice.
Oh, and I thought this picture would be appropriate for this thread.
@mosx: too long, did not read.
but vista isn't that bad. honestly. i just downgraded my PC lappy to XP because vista was BURNING my computer to death. it ran so hot, and my wi-fi card burned so badly that i couldn't touch the trackpad to move around the scroller! crazy stuff. but now my lappy FLIES with xp. . too bad it will soon be replaced with a shiny new macbook.
haha, but i've given all my advice, and i hope the starter of this thread (bless your heart for triggering this discussion) convinces their parents that macs are most "definitely a gift from God" (direct quote from a customer I had today after i shared my excitement with her about getting my first mac)!
you will get a wonderful machine with a mac everytime. no doubt.
but vista isn't that bad. honestly. i just downgraded my PC lappy to XP because vista was BURNING my computer to death. it ran so hot, and my wi-fi card burned so badly that i couldn't touch the trackpad to move around the scroller! crazy stuff. but now my lappy FLIES with xp. . too bad it will soon be replaced with a shiny new macbook.
haha, but i've given all my advice, and i hope the starter of this thread (bless your heart for triggering this discussion) convinces their parents that macs are most "definitely a gift from God" (direct quote from a customer I had today after i shared my excitement with her about getting my first mac)!
you will get a wonderful machine with a mac everytime. no doubt.
1 there is an obvious contradiction in the logic you have stated here.
2 i know at least 15 people off the top of my head (just friends nearby) who run os x and are completely happy with it. and that's not including people at my college (dartmouth) who have posted many recommendations on facebook to incoming freshmen. and 3 percent of people complaining about "something" does not strike me as major, since one of the most common complaints is the perceived lack of a right click.
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i did. please read my entire post before making assumptions about it.
this is getting out of hand. this is not the first time i have seen mosx hijack a thread looking for support of os x and turned it into a flaming battle over whether os x or windows is superior, and i've only been a member for two months. is it possible for a moderator to step in?
to the op, i apologize. as many of the other members have said, good luck. again, be civil and have rational reasons to back you up.
One of those bad games is called "Vista".
I heard it has really steep system requirements just to run at sluggish rates.
@mosx
What I cannot comprehend about 85% of your posts is the actually thought process behind your assumptions. What really makes me reread the post to understand is where you talk about your macbook and how it was never fixed it froze here, it froze doing this and that, blah blah. But yet you respond to someone else about how their blank hard drive was a hardware issue. Clearly, his hard drive and/or memory were bad. A 10 year could figure this out. But what I don't understand, is you can't take that same rationalization and apply it to your macbook. Clearly, your memory is most likely defective, but could be the logic board, etc if it freezes and kernel panics. It's not OS X that is causing that.
The other point that you i guess misunderstand, being that you have supposedly have worked on X number of machines or X number of years, is you are using the fact that your superdrive malfunctioned to combat the theory that Macs are better theory and heres my proof to debunk it. Well...any component can go bad in any machine. It also sounds like your macbook was the first intel macbook that came out or one of the earlier ones. Just like any other company, first models are kind of like the guinea pig. A new design introduces numerous possible design flaws. Any company has this issue. Dell, HP, Asus, whatever. It doesnt matter how makes the machine, issues can arise.
It also seems like you think that the components in the macbook are made by Apple themselves. The fact of the matter is that the so called superdrive, depending on your model, is just a Mashita DVD-RW. You can put this in your PC laptop. Theres no difference. So this could have been in an HP or Dell laptop and cause the same problem. It has nothing to do with the fact that its in an Apple machine, or more specifically, your Macbook.
If you want to get into defective machines with companies, I hate to break it to you, but HP and Dell both have their huge share of faulty designs just as much as Apple, if no more due to the shear amount of models and machines they have compared to Apple.
If you are going to pick apart everyone elses experience and make assumptions, at least prove your point with a rational explanation that is clear.
I am not saying your opinion is wrong nor am I saying that you don't know what you are talking about, but this thread is about the OP wanting to get laptop X instead of laptop Y that his parents want to get him.
@smootling
A good point of advice. Try the machine out at an Apple store or somewhere you can use it. This thread really shouldn't be changing your mind because the experiences listed here and the issue some people have had with their Mac are the same exact issues that someone else has had with their PC/Windows laptop. It really isnt a question about build quality or whos better, because when the smoke clears, an Apple is just as good as an HP which is just as good as a Dell. What it really comes down to, is what has what you want? Do you want to do video? Gaming? Surfing the internet? Do you need feature X or feature Y. Just make a decision on something that has what you want.
What I cannot comprehend about 85% of your posts is the actually thought process behind your assumptions. What really makes me reread the post to understand is where you talk about your macbook and how it was never fixed it froze here, it froze doing this and that, blah blah. But yet you respond to someone else about how their blank hard drive was a hardware issue. Clearly, his hard drive and/or memory were bad. A 10 year could figure this out. But what I don't understand, is you can't take that same rationalization and apply it to your macbook. Clearly, your memory is most likely defective, but could be the logic board, etc if it freezes and kernel panics. It's not OS X that is causing that.
The other point that you i guess misunderstand, being that you have supposedly have worked on X number of machines or X number of years, is you are using the fact that your superdrive malfunctioned to combat the theory that Macs are better theory and heres my proof to debunk it. Well...any component can go bad in any machine. It also sounds like your macbook was the first intel macbook that came out or one of the earlier ones. Just like any other company, first models are kind of like the guinea pig. A new design introduces numerous possible design flaws. Any company has this issue. Dell, HP, Asus, whatever. It doesnt matter how makes the machine, issues can arise.
It also seems like you think that the components in the macbook are made by Apple themselves. The fact of the matter is that the so called superdrive, depending on your model, is just a Mashita DVD-RW. You can put this in your PC laptop. Theres no difference. So this could have been in an HP or Dell laptop and cause the same problem. It has nothing to do with the fact that its in an Apple machine, or more specifically, your Macbook.
If you want to get into defective machines with companies, I hate to break it to you, but HP and Dell both have their huge share of faulty designs just as much as Apple, if no more due to the shear amount of models and machines they have compared to Apple.
If you are going to pick apart everyone elses experience and make assumptions, at least prove your point with a rational explanation that is clear.
I am not saying your opinion is wrong nor am I saying that you don't know what you are talking about, but this thread is about the OP wanting to get laptop X instead of laptop Y that his parents want to get him.
@smootling
A good point of advice. Try the machine out at an Apple store or somewhere you can use it. This thread really shouldn't be changing your mind because the experiences listed here and the issue some people have had with their Mac are the same exact issues that someone else has had with their PC/Windows laptop. It really isnt a question about build quality or whos better, because when the smoke clears, an Apple is just as good as an HP which is just as good as a Dell. What it really comes down to, is what has what you want? Do you want to do video? Gaming? Surfing the internet? Do you need feature X or feature Y. Just make a decision on something that has what you want.
@mosx
Also, your comparison of Vista to XP and Mac OS X. You say your games run better and faster in Vista. I really would like to see where this is valid. What machine is this one? What are the specs? 32 or 64bit? If this is true, then you must be lucky with your setup. Vista uses a good deal more memory to run than XP and OS X do. When its all said and done, OS X manages memory better than XP or Vista hands down. If you want an explanation, we would have to start another thread about operating system structure. I don't know where you get this 10x better video performance, as I have all three operating systems running. I'm sorry, but I do not see this drastic difference.
Also, your comparison of Vista to XP and Mac OS X. You say your games run better and faster in Vista. I really would like to see where this is valid. What machine is this one? What are the specs? 32 or 64bit? If this is true, then you must be lucky with your setup. Vista uses a good deal more memory to run than XP and OS X do. When its all said and done, OS X manages memory better than XP or Vista hands down. If you want an explanation, we would have to start another thread about operating system structure. I don't know where you get this 10x better video performance, as I have all three operating systems running. I'm sorry, but I do not see this drastic difference.
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Wow, that picture's mad! xD I've never seen so many mac laptops in one room, not even in our old mac computer lab. *saves it*
Wow, that picture's mad! xD I've never seen so many mac laptops in one room, not even in our old mac computer lab. *saves it*
When parents say, "compatible with Windows" what they're really saying is "does it run Microsoft Office". Your instant response should be, "yes it runs Microsoft Office - and it is compatible with Microsoft Office on Windows. That tends to shut down the conversation fast
Good idea. People, all ages of people, get caught up with all that Apple offers in its store.Take them to an AppleStore to see the machines and what they can do.
When parents say, "compatible with Windows" what they're really saying is "does it run Microsoft Office". Your instant response should be, "yes it runs Microsoft Office - and it is compatible with Microsoft Office on Windows. That tends to shut down the conversation fast
In my experience they ask about Outlook Express too
In my experience they ask about Outlook Express too
Say that Outlook is the full version of Outlook Express, and on the Mac its called Entourage. Same thing as Outlook, Microsoft just wanted to give it a name that sounded more Mac like.
Like I said before, if your parents are concerned about price, do NOT take them into an Apple store. The numbers compared to dells and weekly sale prices in the Frys ad will make them run, no matter how much a "genius" (which equals salesman who would do anything to sell a computer) bathes them with good things about their product.
You're best bet: have a computer knowledgable friend of the family - someone they trust, give them advice about which computers are good. They can offer advice on which is the best brands, and of course if he/she knows anything about apple computers, there will be some polite and gentle persuasion in that area for you.
Oh while parents may be thinking this...I have had run ins with some programs for medical school that are only PC. That and filesharing/school printers/some webcast and interactive media/ act funny on my mac. So...macs aren't impervious to all arguments. Sorry.
You're best bet: have a computer knowledgable friend of the family - someone they trust, give them advice about which computers are good. They can offer advice on which is the best brands, and of course if he/she knows anything about apple computers, there will be some polite and gentle persuasion in that area for you.
When parents say, "compatible with Windows" what they're really saying is "does it run Microsoft Office". Your instant response should be, "yes it runs Microsoft Office - and it is compatible with Microsoft Office on Windows. That tends to shut down the conversation fast
Oh while parents may be thinking this...I have had run ins with some programs for medical school that are only PC. That and filesharing/school printers/some webcast and interactive media/ act funny on my mac. So...macs aren't impervious to all arguments. Sorry.
How about taking them on a tour of MacRumors... find a bunch of threads about normal people who use Macs...
Maybe then they will understand.
OP, keep us updated, too.
Well, the question is; who is paying for it? why hasn't this lad got a part time job? and where is his savings? is his parents willing to lend him the money and for him to pay his parents back over a year?
wow, this thread has become quite "interesting"
well, if i had the choice between a dell for free and a macbook for 1200 bucks i'd go with the dell.
if you're careful and if you don't do anything special you get 90% as much fun out of a dell as you would get out of a mac. 90% for 0% investment is pretty good.
seriously, i'm typing this on a lenovo that i got for free. i installed safari, itunes, picasa, photoshop, ms office, firefox, skype, a few scientific programs i need/want, i have mobileme for calendar, adressbook, email, idisk.
i only miss imovie but i don't use it too often.
to the OP if he/she is still reading this thread after all the flaming of the fanboys:
save your money, negotiate with your parents to get the best notebook from dell they are willing to pay for, take the dell, set it up for what you want, be happy with it for the next two years and then buy a quadcore macbook if you still want to switch.
you obviously don't have much money so don't waste it on a computer that will lose value every day it gets older.
and don't forget to thank your parents for buying you a computer.
well, if i had the choice between a dell for free and a macbook for 1200 bucks i'd go with the dell.
if you're careful and if you don't do anything special you get 90% as much fun out of a dell as you would get out of a mac. 90% for 0% investment is pretty good.
seriously, i'm typing this on a lenovo that i got for free. i installed safari, itunes, picasa, photoshop, ms office, firefox, skype, a few scientific programs i need/want, i have mobileme for calendar, adressbook, email, idisk.
i only miss imovie but i don't use it too often.
to the OP if he/she is still reading this thread after all the flaming of the fanboys:
save your money, negotiate with your parents to get the best notebook from dell they are willing to pay for, take the dell, set it up for what you want, be happy with it for the next two years and then buy a quadcore macbook if you still want to switch.
you obviously don't have much money so don't waste it on a computer that will lose value every day it gets older.
and don't forget to thank your parents for buying you a computer.
Filesharing on a mac is 100% compatible with file shares, file sharing programs, network shares, etc. What happens is security settings might be setup to not work with apple/unix authentication settings. Thats the network administrators poor setup. Same with printers, although I have ran in to some poor drivers for epson printers.
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