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Does anyone think they'll include the factory unlocked versions for the initial preorders or do you guys think there will be a waiting period before the factory unlocked come out?
 
4S anyone?

Well, after 3 years with my 3GS, it's finally time to upgrade, but like some others have mentioned, this taller, odder looking 5 isn't appealing to me all that much. Unless they blow me away with some new hardware feature, I might just buy the 4S and save $100. Thanks Apple! :)
 
I am pretty sure people said the same thing about the iPhone 4 when Gizmodo leaked it in April 2010.

I know I did. Gotten used to it now but at first it just seemed so square and blocky. Still don't think it's a very elegant design.

Of course these are on contract prices. Those of us that would rather walk naked across a burning desert or sit through a Justin Bieber concert rather than be beholden to the cell companies buy them outright. THOSE are the prices I want to see.
 
with cloud storage, and even cloud music storage.....16 gb is plenty. I would almost be willing to bet 16gb is their biggest seller.

Not if you don't use iClound which I don't because I travel internationally a lot and need memory on the device.
 
I know this is semi-unrelated but was wondering if anyone had already inquired AT&T about this:

There are 5 iPhone lines and 1 iPad line on my Family Share plan. 2 phones and the iPad are eligible for an upgrade. We are grandfathered unlimited but I think I'll be switching to the share plan as it'll save us about $20 a month and the 15 GB would be plenty for us. How does changing the plan affect upgrade eligibility?
 
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Im lost in everyone's rage about 16gb going away if they dropped the 16 and made the 32gb model entry level at 199 and 128gb top teir at 399 what exactly are you losing?

Just asinine.
 
with cloud storage, and even cloud music storage.....16 gb is plenty. I would almost be willing to bet 16gb is their biggest seller.

16GB is their biggest seller because it's the least expensive, NOT because it's the ideal storage option.
 
In yet other news, AT&T will remain silent on when they are deploying LTE to new markets, and therefore seriously losing a lot of business in places like Denver, Philly, and Seattle. Interestingly enough they have 60 cities listed on their LTE coverage list, and 47 more cities as coming soon, with no date ranges, or any other information as to what defines "coming soon".

Get ready AT&T. I'll be paying you an ETF this month and walking over to big Red after 5+ years of iPhone service.

AT&T had plenty of press releases yesterday stating that they expanded to 9 new cities as of yesterday and 40 more will have LTE activated before the end of 2012. I believe this takes care of the major markets you mentioned, as well as many more. Honestly, I'm not dying to have LTE right now on AT&T, but as I am covered by several of the markets listed below, I'm not too worried about getting it soon.

As of Thursday, AT&T's 4G LTE network is now available in:
  • Anchorage, Alaska
  • Bakersfield, Calif.
  • Bridgeport, Conn.
  • Jacksonville, Fla.
  • Modesto, Calif.
  • North Montgomery County, Md.
  • Northern New Jersey
  • Omaha, Neb.
  • Syracuse, N.Y.
The company also sent out a flurry of press releases on Thursday, revealing that its 4G LTE network will launch in the following markets before the end of the year:
  • Albany, N.Y.
  • Albuquerque, N.M.
  • Allentown, Penn.
  • Birmingham, Ala.
  • Boise, Idaho
  • Charleston, S.C.
  • Cincinnati, Ohio
  • Columbia, S.C.
  • Columbus, Ohio
  • Detroit, Mich.
  • Denver-Boulder, Colo.
  • El Paso, Tex.
  • Fayetteville, N.C.
  • Ft. Myers, Fla.
  • Gary, Ind.
  • Grand Rapids, Mich.
  • Green Bay, Wis.
  • Harrisburg, Pa.
  • Hartford, Conn.
  • Hawaii
  • Knoxville, Tenn.
  • Lancaster, Pa.
  • Little Rock, Ark.
  • Louisville, Ken.
  • Milwaukee, Wis.
  • Minneapolis-St. Paul, Minn.
  • Memphis, Tenn.
  • Nashua, N.H.
  • New Haven, Conn.
  • Philadelphia, Penn.
  • Pittsburgh, Penn.
  • Portland, Ore.
  • Providence, R.I.
  • Reading, Pa.
  • Rochester, N.Y.
  • Sacramento, Calif.
  • Salinas-Seaside-Monterey, Calif.
  • Seattle, Wash.
  • Springfield, Mass.
  • Toledo, Ohio
  • Tucson, Ariz.
  • Tulsa, Okla.
  • Wilkes-Barre, Penn.
  • Wilmington, Del.
 
No, no, no! Sick of seeing people complain about storage options.

Prices HAVE fallen since last year, but they are still ~$1 per Gb for NAND above the 16Gb threshold.

If Apple made the $199 5 have 32Gb, then that would necessarily mean the next model up would be $299 64Gb and then$399 128Gb.

First off, NO one is offering that capacity for smartphones.

Second, that would INSANELY boost their manufacturing cost per device on the $399 model by at least $50 for the NAND increase.
 
Well, after 3 years with my 3GS, it's finally time to upgrade, but like some others have mentioned, this taller, odder looking 5 isn't appealing to me all that much. Unless they blow me away with some new hardware feature, I might just buy the 4S and save $100. Thanks Apple! :)

Does history suggest that the 4S price will drop by $100 meaning a 32GB 4S would sell for $199?
 
I know this is semi-unrelated but was wondering if anyone had already inquired AT&T about this:

There are 5 iPhone lines and 1 iPad line on my Family Share plan. 2 phones and the iPad are eligible for an upgrade. We are grandfathered unlimited but I think I'll be switching to the share plan as it'll save us about $50 a month and the 15 GB would be plenty for us. How does changing the plan affect upgrade eligibility?


I just switched to the Mobile Share plan from a two line family plan (it works out to be a few bucks cheaper and we never go over the data cap I picked, plus I get tethering too). It doesn't affect your upgrade eligibility because it doesn't extend your contract, it just changes the plan. You should be good to go.
 
Stop the whining. Storage will stay the same, and for good reasons. #1 Plenty of folks (casual users) will never need more than 16 GB. # 2 If you do need more, you can have more as 32 and 64 GB models are available. # 3 The niche of people who "need" 128 GB in their phone is extremely small; even most power users would get the 64 GB anyway as it's enough for 99,9% of users. So it would be really stupid for Apple to go to 32/64/128 as it would only result in a lot of unused space on the entry model and very few sales of the top model.
 
Does history suggest that the 4S price will drop by $100 meaning a 32GB 4S would sell for $199?

doesn't history suggest they will make an 8GB 4s and sell it for $99? (and axe the other capacities).
 
Stop the whining. Storage will stay the same, and for good reasons. #1 Plenty of folks (casual users) will never need more than 16 GB. # 2 If you do need more, you can have more as 32 and 64 GB models are available. # 3 The niche of people who "need" 128 GB in their phone is extremely small; even most power users would get the 64 GB anyway as it's enough for 99,9% of users. So it would be really stupi for Apple to go o 32/64/128 as it would only result in a lot of unused space on the entry model and very few sales of the top model.

I don't think it would be stupid for them to increase it. I think it would be smart. They would be the only ones offering such storage capacities, and they could market that their phone could carry your whole music library and a few movies. With limited data plans being the norm, cloud storage is not an option for most people.
 
Stop the whining. Storage will stay the same, and for good reasons. #1 Plenty of folks (casual users) will never need more than 16 GB. # 2 If you do need more, you can have more as 32 and 64 GB models are available. # 3 The niche of people who "need" 128 GB in their phone is extremely small; even most power users would get the 64 GB anyway as it's enough for 99,9% of users. So it would be really stupi for Apple to go o 32/64/128 as it would only result in a lot of unused space on the entry model and very few sales of the top model.

Right. And 64K was enough RAM for any conceivable application according to my professors too.
 
Because having more memory is bad? Really?

Because those that don't need it shouldn't have to pay for it. And, to counter the argument that "memory is getting cheaper", a. not that fast, it isn't; and b. I would prefer any cost savings to go into other enhancements.

I do agree that Apple should offer higher end memory options for those that need it.

Lastly, I would submit the memory capacity problems many of the people here are complaining about aren't primarily due to external trends -- such as, "apps are getting bigger"-- but due to personal style-- as in, "you've had your phone for a long time and you keep stuffing more things into it." So you should have the option of continuing to eschew housekeeping; but how about if the rest of us don't have to pay for it? 16GB continues to be fine for NEW iPhone customers.
 
I just switched to the Mobile Share plan from a two line family plan (it works out to be a few bucks cheaper and we never go over the data cap I picked, plus I get tethering too). It doesn't affect your upgrade eligibility because it doesn't extend your contract, it just changes the plan. You should be good to go.

Perfect thanks!
 
Does history suggest that the 4S price will drop by $100 meaning a 32GB 4S would sell for $199?

I think it kind of does. They will most likely discount remaining stock and then sell one capacity at $99 moving forward.
 
32gb should be the new minimum.

retina, HD photos and Videos eat a lot of space.
I have the 32gb and thankfully have a very small number of songs and my iP4 doesn't shoot 1080 but still i have to think about if i really want to shoot video or if i will just delete apps.

if they had 128gb i'd still not be able to import all songs and have space for apps. Apps are increasing in size and i have to weigh to download/buy an app or not because of the size.

and more memory will be better for the phone too. allowing space when updates are made. other smartphones may not have it yet but Apple can push those limits. you know if Android had 128 everyone would be saying Apple is behind the times.
 
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