I really don't want to pay $400 for the 64GB but my iPad retina universal apps are starting to take up a lot of space.
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'N42' iPhone 5 to Reportedly Launch at Same Pricing as iPhone 4S
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Do you honestly think that a 128 GB model would sell? How big do you estimate the percentage of iPhone users to be for whom 64 GB is not enough?
From CNNMoney.com:
The only difference between a 16 GB iPhone 4S and the 32 GB model is 16 GB of NAND flash memory, for which Apple (AAPL) charges customers $100.
But according to Bernstein Research's Toni Sacconaghi, Apple buys that memory for a heavily discounted price of $0.67 per gigabyte, or a total $10.72.
I think that what the poster you quoted was getting at...that the long phone 5 is simply a slightly longer 4S and does not appear to have really evolved.
agreed, but if people were having storage issues they would not buy it. I have 11gb free on my 16gb.
So..
It will be the iPhone 5
It looks like an iPhone 4 | 4S only a bit taller.
Comes in same 16\32\64gb capacitys
Priced the same
Has IOS 6 but with the extra 1 row of icons compared to iPhone 4 | 4S
Has headphone port on the bottom and small dock connector
Has a design that we all now have seen 5 million times thanks to the constant flow of part leaks which seems to be like Marmite to people (hate/love)
Has no NFC
Has no 'Audience Technology' audio suppression.
Is there anything we don't know about it ??
This has to be the most unsurprising launch of a product ever. I expect the keynote to be 10 mins long ;-)
It will be the iPhone 5
It looks like an iPhone 4 | 4S only a bit taller.
Comes in same 16\32\64gb capacitys
Priced the same
Has IOS 6 but with the extra 1 row of icons compared to iPhone 4 | 4S
Has headphone port on the bottom and small dock connector
Has a design that we all now have seen 5 million times thanks to the constant flow of part leaks which seems to be like Marmite to people (hate/love)
Has no NFC
Has no 'Audience Technology' audio suppression.
Is there anything we don't know about it ??
This has to be the most unsurprising launch of a product ever. I expect the keynote to be 10 mins long ;-)
Why complain about getting more for the same price? If apple keeps the 16 GB it is not like they will reduce the price. But if they get rid of it and make 32 GB the lowest option you'd pay the same price as you would for the 16 GB and get more storage. So I fail to see why you would complain about them getting rid of the 16 GB. You gain nothing by them keeping it and you get extra if they did get rid of it (whether you would use it or not is kinda moot since you would be paying the same so you would not lose by them no longer offering it).
Not only have we increased the screen to a revolutionary 4", but we have included the extra .5" of glass for the low price of the 4S!.
Everyone gasps
amazing
Everyone gasps
amazingYou, and many others, for that matter, are missing the assumption that the 32GB minimum should replace the 16GB option at the $199 price point. I would gladly take double the storage for the same price I would be willing to pay for 16GB.
I doubt Apple will do that because the majority, myself included, do not absolutely need 16GB (as you mentioned above). It would allow me to put more of my music on my iPhone that I frequently use as an iPod, which is more convenient.
It's not a flat cost of price per Gb. As the chip size in GB increases, the cost per GB increases. There is a premium to fit MORE capacity on a single-sized chip.
I can't seem to dig up anything other than "estimates" of the price break down specific to Apple's usage, but look at other "more open" devices and you'll see that prices per Gb shoot up for NAND devices. It's not a "the more you buy, the more you save" kind of deal.
Once again, I will play by your numbers still.
.67 * 64 = $43.
Oops, my bad. A $43 cost increase, not $50
Point is, shareholders don't want to see their manufacturing costs increase and profit margins shrink.
See above. And I don't see you posting any sources countering it.
If you noticed, I use the ~$1 moniker, but also counted by the lesser of 50 instead of 64. Arriving a few dollars less when you are considering adding $50 to the cost of production isn't material.
Cougarcat posted charts showing the prices of 32GB and 64GB NAND MLC on that other thread. All the prices were far below $1/Gb.
Edit: http://www.insye.com/DP/NANDFlashContractPrice.aspx
Edit2: http://www.dramexchange.com/WeeklyResearch/Post/2/3106.html
Cost from July 2011 to 2012. Price of a 64Gb MLC NAND chip is less than half what it was a year ago.
It takes 16 of the 64Gb chips to make 128GB of storage. The current average contract price of 64Gb chips is $5.01. That makes 128GB of storage $80. (I'm fairly certain Apple could get better contract pricing, perhaps the current low of $3.15.)
Last year, iSuppli estimated the cost of the 64GB storage in the 4S to be $76.80. So I think Apple could EASILY drop the prices if they wanted.
HOWEVER, there's also the potential that they spent the money they saved on storage in another place. The cost of the display is likely higher. We'll just have to see what we get and what iSuppli estimates the BOM to be on the iPhone 5.
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Um, when I bought this 32 GB iPhone 4, I had my 16 GB 3G almost full (and when I bought that the only reason I did was the 8 GB wasn't available so I didn't even think I'd need 8 gb. I already was annoyed I was stuck at 32 but I took it. Now it is full. If 64 is all they offer I'll take it cause I need it but id rather get a 128 cause I predict from my previous phones that by a year or so later I'm going to want more space.
You say other phones don't offer as big storage but other phones offer you a way of adding storage through removable storage so you can always add more. With the iPhone the only way to add more is buy a whole new iPhone and that is only if apple offers a bigger iPhone at that time. So it is smart to buy more than what you need now cause you might need it later.
I got the 64 and will prob drop down to the 32 this time. With cloud storage for my music I really don't need the space. I have 10k photos stored on my phone, access to all my music, a ton of apps (some huge ones like navagon) and could easily have used 32. I wanted 128 so I could have all my music stored but thought about it and with having access to it and w/all the streaming music services for me I don't need it anymore. Not that I really "needed" it to begin with.
I suppose if I needed to store a lot of vids sand music and wanted it 24/7 64 or 128 would be the way to go but any large files (like a movie if I travel) will get deleted when I'm done. Plus with an iPad now I really wouldn't use my iPhone for watching movies anyway. Everything other then apps and photos can be streamed and no longer needed to be permanently stored taking up space just for the sake of having it at a moments notice. It's like having 500 books on a Kindle or something. Cool it can store 1000 books but who really needs to have 1000 books at one time. Read one and delete it. I have a queue on 10-20 and it changes as I finish books and add. The iPhone I use a similar way.
That being said if they did have a 128 I'd prob still get it because I'm a dork and would waste my money just to have it hahaha. But since this time they are the same, I 4S 64 was overkill. I'll save a couple bucks and get 32.
I suppose if I needed to store a lot of vids sand music and wanted it 24/7 64 or 128 would be the way to go but any large files (like a movie if I travel) will get deleted when I'm done. Plus with an iPad now I really wouldn't use my iPhone for watching movies anyway. Everything other then apps and photos can be streamed and no longer needed to be permanently stored taking up space just for the sake of having it at a moments notice. It's like having 500 books on a Kindle or something. Cool it can store 1000 books but who really needs to have 1000 books at one time. Read one and delete it. I have a queue on 10-20 and it changes as I finish books and add. The iPhone I use a similar way.
That being said if they did have a 128 I'd prob still get it because I'm a dork and would waste my money just to have it hahaha. But since this time they are the same, I 4S 64 was overkill. I'll save a couple bucks and get 32.
Oh yeah, cos you know, Apple would actually sell at those prices... Dreaming buddy.
My 3GS at 32gb is nearly full (I guess I'm a bit of an app hoarder). If I get the 5 I'll probably go for the 64GB as I'd probably start putting more music on my phone.
Off topic question, does iTunes rip songs off CDs (if you can do that) at 240kbps or 320kbps? I'm a noob when it comes to iTunes.
Same here - I look at it and really cringe because it appears that Apple have run out of ideas. For me I'd sooner have a wider screen than a longer one with the latest Windows Phone 8 devices appearing to win me over when compared to the horrific mess of a design that has been leaked so far. The Samsung Galaxy S3 is also looking really good - sticking to the fundamentals of what a customer wants with no pointless razzle-dazzle. I do hold out hope that maybe the iPhone 5 will look nothing like the leaks, that the reason why Apple hasn't done anything to take down the photos or videos is because they're revealing nothing secret from Apple thus can be easily dismissed as a load of crap.
IIRC the last survey there was on storage sizes the vast majority of people went for the 16GB model - that is pretty much the sweet spot these days and with streaming music the necessity for space is becoming less and less. I personally lament the lack of push for more storage given that I have 200GB of music but at the same time I realise that I'm in but of a small minority who actually want more than what the majority are satisfied with.
Actually Jelly Bean [ Android's latest flavor ] is pretty darn good!
But, I still miss S60 and my N95...Nokia was a Titanic I was hoping would see what lay ahead....oh well..
Don't forget to add the joy of speaker docks and other accesssories no longer fitting without a unsightly adapter being used.
Which will of lead to a whole group of updated accessories that you could buy...but would be a PITA beacuse they only work with some of your devices.
Or the fun of - oh wait, you want to attach your iPod touch to the laptop, let me swap cables/take the adapter off so you can use it...
Unless the new device has some 'must have' features to it, I'll pass.
Still not convinced a move to 32GB would drive a significant cost increase in the base iPhone.
Here's another data point:
From Price of NAND Flash Continues to Fall
By Hilbert Hagedoorn, May 7, 2012 - 8:50 PM N/A
NAND flash contract prices are dropping at an alarming rate. Thats not bad for consumers, but the manufacturers suffer. Low profits mean less money for R&D, or even bankruptcy, as in the case of Elpida (DRAM memory manufacturer) reports softpedia:
In the second half of April, contract prices continued the downward trend that started at the beginning of the year. The trend implies that companies slowed their buying rate, and overall end-market demand has not picked up.
The industry now hopes that NAND flash prices stop falling when the market for embedded applications, such as solid-state drives, eMMC and mSATA takes off, as that kind of devices require high-capacity NAND memory chips.
The market seems to be opening toward such applications, an example being MSIs GT70 gaming notebook; but we'll have to wait at least a whole year until more applications like that come on the market.
The market for memory cards and drives is already quite saturated and has little room for further growth, and this is one of the reasons that the prices are tumbling. According to DRAMeXchange, contract quotes for 64Gb and 32Gb MLC chips declined 3-5% on average to 4.66 USD and 2.54 USD, respectively, in the last two weeks of April.
The average contract price for 32Gb TLC NAND chips went down 8 percent in the same period, reaching the low level of 2.58 USD. As the miniPC trend continues to develop see Intels NUC and the Rasberry Pi for example , the market for very small and thin SSDs is developing more, and the demand for high capacity NAND chip will stabilize, and so will the prices. The downside is that this will take some time and, until then, the prices continue to fall.
Here's another data point:
From Price of NAND Flash Continues to Fall
By Hilbert Hagedoorn, May 7, 2012 - 8:50 PM N/A
NAND flash contract prices are dropping at an alarming rate. Thats not bad for consumers, but the manufacturers suffer. Low profits mean less money for R&D, or even bankruptcy, as in the case of Elpida (DRAM memory manufacturer) reports softpedia:
In the second half of April, contract prices continued the downward trend that started at the beginning of the year. The trend implies that companies slowed their buying rate, and overall end-market demand has not picked up.
The industry now hopes that NAND flash prices stop falling when the market for embedded applications, such as solid-state drives, eMMC and mSATA takes off, as that kind of devices require high-capacity NAND memory chips.
The market seems to be opening toward such applications, an example being MSIs GT70 gaming notebook; but we'll have to wait at least a whole year until more applications like that come on the market.
The market for memory cards and drives is already quite saturated and has little room for further growth, and this is one of the reasons that the prices are tumbling. According to DRAMeXchange, contract quotes for 64Gb and 32Gb MLC chips declined 3-5% on average to 4.66 USD and 2.54 USD, respectively, in the last two weeks of April.
The average contract price for 32Gb TLC NAND chips went down 8 percent in the same period, reaching the low level of 2.58 USD. As the miniPC trend continues to develop see Intels NUC and the Rasberry Pi for example , the market for very small and thin SSDs is developing more, and the demand for high capacity NAND chip will stabilize, and so will the prices. The downside is that this will take some time and, until then, the prices continue to fall.
iOS 6 will add wireless streaming from iCloud. No need to download the songs to the device. If music takes up a big hunk of your storage, there ya go
Also cleaning out the photos helps. I realized I had a crap ton of photos sitting on my phone that were also viewable from my photo stream. Cleaned off nearly 4GB.
That said if they offer 32gb as the low end I'll be ecstatic. More room for apps!
Also cleaning out the photos helps. I realized I had a crap ton of photos sitting on my phone that were also viewable from my photo stream. Cleaned off nearly 4GB.
That said if they offer 32gb as the low end I'll be ecstatic. More room for apps!