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The competition is catching up, the HPs we buy cost half of a MBP and frankly, look quite OK compared to the plastic crap of yesteryears.

I'm curious if you think those HPs will last 4 years. I think it's a testament to Apple and computing in general that it is becoming normal for a computer to last 3-4-5 years, and be completely productive. My MBP is a mid 2014, and works fine for all of my development tasks.
 
That number is going to drop significantly if they keep releasing **** like iOS 11.

All the normies (who don't troll forums) I've come across are freaking out that it turned their phones to garbage.

After hearing all that noise about iOS11 I have installed on an old iPhone 5S I have around and it's showing no issues. I don't see any news magazine talk about widespread noticeable issues with iOS11 and performances or battery so I think it's the usual much ado about nothing.
 
Like all cult themed technology, this too shall pass... just give it time. When you are at the top there is no place to go but down... luckily they have enough cash to ride out the wave for a long time without collapsing.

Wishful thinking? As long as Apple continues to lead in the product categories in which they compete, people will continue to buy more Apple products, not less; and in the process, become more entrenched in Apple's ecosystem.

Also, what in the world is a "cult themed technology"? If 75% of a nation is using it, then that's a pretty large "cult".
 
I don't know about this, it sounds like it is skewed, the majority of the teens that I work with all have android phones because of the costs and their continual destruction and dropping of their phones. Nearly all the adults in my sphere use android phones as well. Very view have iPhones, and those that do don't know how to use it.
I don’t know about your social pool but I’m my area (US), most people have at least one Apple Product. iPhones 5c or newer dominate my University and work. MacBooks and MacBook Airs are the most common computers around campus and other social places I go to. Apple TVs are in every classroom.
Of course this is a scientific survey so the scope is much better than what we see outside our homes.
 
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I'm curious if you think those HPs will last 4 years. I think it's a testament to Apple and computing in general that it is becoming normal for a computer to last 3-4-5 years, and be completely productive. My MBP is a mid 2014, and works fine for all of my development tasks.


I have a Lenovo that's pretty old and works just fine
 
My entire family uses Apple products too. We have so many I have lost count. And I see way more iPhones and Apple Watches than I do any other phone or watch. If I were an alien and came to the US I would think the iPhone was the only real choice....lol.

its remarkable how different though that our own "bubbles" are. and how dependant on region it is too

here in my bubble. nobody uses Apple. At all. Aside from the iPad's I have purchased for my father, Nieces and sister, everyone else uses Android phones and windows for everything else.

But that also points that the US tech use cases don't lline up with the rest of the worlds. Where in the US, Apple features near 40% phone usage (if not higher), the rest of the world is closer to 30%. America really supports Apple far greater than the competition. Dunno if it's a combination of that it's an American company or pure marketing prowess? it's just an interesting thing to look at from a business case standpoint
 
Did they mean their parents are going to buy them their iPhones or do teens these days actually have $1000 to shell out for a phone?

Totally parents money here since the average age is 16 which is generally the youngest jobs will take. If this were teens 16-19, it could go either way. Although a 17 buying an iPhone with their own money is still not paying rent, insurance, etc...
 
Like all cult themed technology, this too shall pass... just give it time. When you are at the top there is no place to go but down... luckily they have enough cash to ride out the wave for a long time without collapsing.

I'd be interested to know how you are defining 'cult themed technology'?

'Cult' and 'mass appeal' are usually mutually exclusive.

Is the idea here that Apple products are as popular as they are because people who buy them are akin to those following a cult?

Rather than, say, I dunno, just off the top of my head, Apple just make good quality products that a lot of people like?
 
Just proves Apple products are not designed for the wealthy of the USA/world. They are just priced that way.

BTW, The Watch with its overpriced bands is a product abomination. Why do I have to wait three more weeks before mine arrives?
 
Extrapolating from a survey conduced with 800 people across the USA that 64 percent of Americans own an Apple product of some kind is wrong... Maybe it holds true for Gringos, but for Peruvians, Canadians, Chilean, ... it certainly does not.

America is North, Central and South America. It doesn't end with El Paso and Seattle!
I'm sympathetic, but that battle is lost in English. When I speak Spanish, I always say estadounidense. When I speak French, I sometimes say états-unien (if I'm talking geopolitics). If I'm having a casual conversation, I say américain. When I speak English, I always say American when I mean a resident of the USA. I haven't heard an English term that is not awful.
 
its remarkable how different though that our own "bubbles" are. and how dependant on region it is too

here in my bubble. nobody uses Apple. At all. Aside from the iPad's I have purchased for my father, Nieces and sister, everyone else uses Android phones and windows for everything else.

But that also points that the US tech use cases don't lline up with the rest of the worlds. Where in the US, Apple features near 40% phone usage (if not higher), the rest of the world is closer to 30%. America really supports Apple far greater than the competition. Dunno if it's a combination of that it's an American company or pure marketing prowess? it's just an interesting thing to look at from a business case standpoint

Or the average American's wealth relative to the average wealth elsewhere...

And we tend to like 'stuff' here more than other countries.
 
Like all cult themed technology, this too shall pass... just give it time. When you are at the top there is no place to go but down... luckily they have enough cash to ride out the wave for a long time without collapsing.

There’s still huge headroom to exploit for Apple in other segments and even in the segments they’re currently in.
 
I'm curious if you think those HPs will last 4 years. I think it's a testament to Apple and computing in general that it is becoming normal for a computer to last 3-4-5 years, and be completely productive. My MBP is a mid 2014, and works fine for all of my development tasks.

Or a testament to the fact that computers haven't gotten much faster in the last 5-7 years.
 
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Did they mean their parents are going to buy them their iPhones or do teens these days actually have $1000 to shell out for a phone?
I don't know why teens are polled. They are as flaky as they come. A recent survey on teens says that they don't care about social network. They would have been ok without it. And guess where they spend all their time whole day and night! I wish we all parent won't succumb to this. I really get mad when I see a 5th grader running around with iPhone plus. Why????
 
Or the average American's wealth relative to the average wealth elsewhere...

And we tend to like 'stuff' here more than other countries.

Relative wealth does play a factor in it, especially since Apple does peg prices against USD regardless of the market out of country.

For example, the iphone 8 base price right now in Canada is $929 (unlocked 64gb off contract). with tax (13% in Ontario), the entry price comes to a whopping $1049. add apple care and you're looking at closer to $1300 CAD.

Canadians on average are not 30% more wealthy that our US counterparts. But we're expected to pay nearly 30% more for the exact same products and services.
 
I don't know why teens are polled. They are as flaky as they come. A recent survey on teens says that they don't care about social network. They would have been ok without it. And guess where they spend all their time whole day and night! I wish we all parent won't succumb to this. I really get mad when I see a 5th grader running around with iPhone plus. Why????

Because the bigger screen is great for gaming? ;)

iPhones are today's gameboys.

Or if you're older that commodore whatever before Atari.
 
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I don't know about this, it sounds like it is skewed, the majority of the teens that I work with all have android phones because of the costs and their continual destruction and dropping of their phones. Nearly all the adults in my sphere use android phones as well. Very view have iPhones, and those that do don't know how to use it.

You need upgrade to a better sphere. In mine, only a couple people have Androids and they don't like them.
 
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I don't know how much worth I would give to this survey. I own many Apple products. But I can tell you this: I don't use my iPad air that much. I prefer opening up my MacBook pro. My daughter has my old MacBook pro. She wants to upgrade and I am holding off because the newer ones are not worth it.
So a survey about iwbibg an Apple product is useless. A right survey would be how much usage does it get. It's the same way, how we judge a social network worth. It's not about people having accounts, it's about DAU, MAU. Same should he applied to any product survey.
 
Or a testament to the fact that computers haven't gotten much faster in the last 5-7 years.

oh, they've gotten MUCH faster.

what has happened is we've hit a point of diminishing returns. Back in the 90's and 00. new software regularly pushed the boundaries of what hardware could do. You would frequently have to look on the back of the box the floppies came in just to see if your CPU was enough. your ram was enough, etc. Each new piece of software, tended to push the hardware boundaries every single day. minimum requirements often in new software exceeded the previous generations of hardware by leaps and bounds.

Look at windows Vista (booo BOooo!!!!! BOOO THIS WINDOWS!). when it launched, it required computer power that most of the world didn't have yet. it was one of the reasons it was so panned. most computers just wouldn't be able to run it, forcing a mass wave of upgrading, or stagnation.

But today? hardware might keep getting faster. but most software minimum requirements now are met by even the lowest end hardware. Better hardware might equal better performance, but everything for the most part will run on even the lowest end stuff. you can run Photoshop on a 5 year old i3. will it be as fast as on a brand new i9? ah heck no, but it will run.

back then, if you bought $300 super cheap computer, it would be obsolete in 6 months. Now if you buy a $300 computer, chances are it'll still run everything 5 years from now (unless we magically hit some leap in software technology)
 
3 iPhones, 2 iPads, 3 Apple TVs, 2 Apple routers, Mac Mini and AirPods. I may be skewing the numbers. :)

Oh and Apple Watch.
 
You need upgrade to a better sphere. In mine, only a couple people have Androids and they don't like them.
are you really using your own subjective belief about your devices skew your opinion enough that you're telling someone else what friends he should have based on what hardware they use?

I want you to really really think that through
 
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Curious what the number was back in the peak iPod days. I would assume it had to be higher as the cheapest Apple Device was $99 for a period of time when you included the Shuffle.
 
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