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First, Netflix still has an app, right? So who cares? A bundle’d save a few dollars a month tops. It’ll still be on an ATV, just not part of Apple’s streaming service. Unless Apple or Netflix decide to be babies about it and yank the app.

Second, regardless it seems to be that a big difference between Apple’s building an audio hub and a video hub is that the labels & stores knew they were doomed and needed Apple for distribution in a new medium, whereas the studios already have a outlets ways to stream content to us, sometimes including their own. Add to the earlier audio market few competitors and a marvelous new thing called an iPod and it’s easy to see how Apple’s mistaken if anyone in Cupertino thinks they can replicate their success in audio with success in video.

This story made me think that the balance is shifting perhaps not all the way back to the content owners but at least away from dominance of the distributor. First premium networks (eg HBO) developed original content, and now distribution channels (eg Netflix, Apple soon) are. They’re vying not just for customers but Academy Awards. It’s no longer good enough to just distribute content if you want to be on top; you need to create it. And if your creation is high quality, you’ll win awards and significantly earn recognition and grow business. From this longer term strategy perspective, Apple’s decision. She’s perfect sense to go outside their traditional wheelhouse and enter production. I don’t know if they’ll be good at it, but I do hope a couple of good shows come out of it. They almost have to try.

And they’ll still need Netflix.

I think it'll be like Apple Music all over again. Sure netflix app is there for iOS and Apple TV, but it'll be "just another app" in your homescreen, because it's not tied deeply into the ecosystem. No Siri VJ-ing (in regards of video service) or the consistency of app interface. Funny thing because both Netflix and Spotify favors the black and Apple may prefer white interface as if it's the antithesis of both.
 
As in largely unprofitable and struggling to make money.

No, Netflix doesn’t make much money and burns cash like it’s going out of style. Why? They have to buy and pay for content. It’s not their fault...it’s just the business they’re in.

Netflix has A LOT of work to do. This is a hobby for Apple.

I am shaking in my boots if I’m Netflix, actually. Netflix understands original content is EXPENSIVE and HARD to make. Most of Netflix content consumed is simply licensed (paid for) content and guess who has more money than anyone to pay for content? That’s right, Apple.

Pretty much only Disney has been successful long term in making their own original content, and they are starting their own service too.

Netflix is an App at the end of the day. Without cash and meaningful content, they are going to have a hard time.

Quick, name 5 original Netflix shows with any staying power. I can’t either.

Now name 5 for Disney. And what Disney didn’t create, they bought and now own.

Tough business.

Well, we do not know if Apple is making any money on Apple Music either, do we? And that's with 30% handicap that they inflict on Spotify on iOS platform. BTW, Spotify has just started making profits.
 
Just use Apple streaming, Netflix streaming, Amazon streaming, Hulu streaming, CBS streaming, HBO streaming, Disney streaming, etc.

How many different streaming services will the average family subscribe to ?

My household subscribes to zero. Me and my daughters play with legos, draw, paint, play outside, go for hikes, go to the playground. I’m not even sure when we would have time to watch TV. We have life to live.
 
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I believe I am the most awesome person in my house.

Neither of our baseless beliefs are worth anything at all.
I think your statement (or rather the premise of it) is way more baseless than the OP's one. The fact that Apple wants their content to be family friendly has been reported many times. Their App Store policies should be taken as a consideration too. Situation may change but as things stand right now an assumption that Apple produced content will be "family friendly" has solid grounds.
 
I sure hope someday there is a way to get all these streaming services all in one place for one monthly bill instead of being bled with smaller cuts of 20 dollars or so each. You know? Sorta like what Cable TV is?

Ironic, isn’t it?
 
How many years does a show have to be on to qualify as having staying power? Because orange is the new black, the defenders series, house of cards, and fuller house feel like they have had staying power.
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This should be a crime.
Fuller House? That was based on an old show and hardly original. House of Cards flopped after 3 seasons, Orange is decent, and Defenders is mediocre.

I mean, you can be in denial, but these are not epic examples of content.

Think about Disney content.
 
Well, we do not know if Apple is making any money on Apple Music either, do we? And that's with 30% handicap that they inflict on Spotify on iOS platform. BTW, Spotify has just started making profits.
They made a whole $100M in operating income and still forecast listing $400M for the year? Not impressed, still not profitable because of 1 quarter. Their own guidance calls for them losing 4 times that.

Apple services have margins in the 60% range, grow at 20% and have over $45B in revenue. I’m confident Apple makes money on it, probably almost pure profit.
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Which is why I don't have much faith in it. They can barely nail things they care about let alone a hobby.
They nail plenty. Services are Apple’s biggest growth engine at over 20%. They will get this right and have all the money they need to do it. That’s the key in content...buying it.
 
Fuller House? That was based on an old show and hardly original. House of Cards flopped after 3 seasons, Orange is decent, and Defenders is mediocre.

I mean, you can be in denial, but these are not epic examples of content.

Think about Disney content.

House of cards had 6 seasons. Fuller house, not the show it’s based on, had 4 seasons (going on 5).

Disney ripped off public domain content and than used its lawyers to prevent others from using it. Think about the one original ideal Disney has had.
 
They made a whole $100M in operating income and still forecast listing $400M for the year? Not impressed, still not profitable because of 1 quarter. Their own guidance calls for them losing 4 times that.

Apple services have margins in the 60% range, grow at 20% and have over $45B in revenue. I’m confident Apple makes money on it, probably almost pure profit.

As far as I understand the majority of profits in Apple services comes from Google ($9B) and Apple Care. There is a reason Apple does not disclose the amounts for individual services (and I suspect that's because it would be too embarrassing).
 
House of cards had 6 seasons. Fuller house, not the show it’s based on, had 4 seasons (going on 5).

Disney ripped off public domain content and than used its lawyers to prevent others from using it. Think about the one original ideal Disney has had.
Regardless of how Disney got some of their content, it’s theirs. They make money on it from shows, box office, parks, and merchandising. Masters at it. They’ve also created a ton of content.

House of Cards has 6 seasons and flopped after 3. Look at the ratings. I standby by that.

Again, Fuller House was a reboot and is by no means a hugely popular show. Look at the ratings. Not an original concept and a small potatoes show regardless.

Disney owns so much content, it’s hard to even list it all. Just “Frozen” is probably bigger than all of Netflix’s entire original content library.
 
Just use Apple streaming, Netflix streaming, Amazon streaming, Hulu streaming, CBS streaming, HBO streaming, Disney streaming, etc.

How many different streaming services will the average family subscribe to ?

and Google (Android TV) will follow Apple, obviously and Samsung (Samsung TV) will make their own too.
 
Regardless of how Disney got some of their content, it’s theirs. They make money on it from shows, box office, parks, and merchandising. Masters at it. They’ve also created a ton of content.

House of Cards has 6 seasons and flopped after 3. Look at the ratings. I standby by that.

Again, Fuller House was a reboot and is by no means a hugely popular show. Look at the ratings. Not an original concept and a small potatoes show regardless.

Disney owns so much content, it’s hard to even list it all. Just “Frozen” is probably bigger than all of Netflix’s entire original content library.

Stand by whatever you want. Those shows were Netflix exclusives and popular. Disney buys content. Frozen is exactly my point. They took a public domain property and endlessly shoved it in our faces. If you remove the content they purchased after it was made and the public domain content Disney doesn’t have anything.
 
Netflix is on every possible platform it can be on, Android, Smart TVs, the web, iOS, etc. so that has me wondering, is Apple going to license their content for distribution through anyone else for those platforms or will they make apps for them and compete like Netflix?
Or try to use the service to lure (or keep?) users on their hardware?

AirPlay?
 
and Google (Android TV) will follow Apple, obviously and Samsung (Samsung TV) will make their own too.
Google has had streaming services for many years now (have you heard about YouTube, YouTube TV?) so if anything Apple is following Google here. It makes more sense for Google to do this though as they are a service company first and foremost. Apple and Samsung? I do not get this trend of hardware OEMs venturing into content creation. It seems illogical.
 
I don't fully understand the "Disney offering". Wouldn't it just be Disney content? Who wants an entire channel dedicated to just one provider's content? People want selection. I, for one, would never subscribe to just a "Disney channel". It's no different than old-fashioned cable services that sell channels. Nobody wants that in this digital age. They want single sign-on with a seamless experience.

Thats what apple is doing / You sign in their eco system, click the and pay the @channelw@ You want / and then You got them presented seamlessly

Maybe some of the channes will be in a higher subscrition fee included like apple plus or thing

But i guess anyhow the thing will be that its integrated, well we would that expect from the steve apple / lets see!
 
My household subscribes to zero. Me and my daughters play with legos, draw, paint, play outside, go for hikes, go to the playground. I’m not even sure when we would have time to watch TV. We have life to live.

I’ll leave this here, all in good fun.
 
If Apple TV comes with an interface where “free” and “paid” contents are all mixed together like amazon prime, I will never subscribe it.
It’s soo annoying to like a title, only to find out that the “subscription” isn’t enough and I have to pay more to access that content. To me, it’s just pure advertisement. And I personally don’t want it.
 
If Apple TV comes with an interface where “free” and “paid” contents are all mixed together like amazon prime, I will never subscribe it.
It’s soo annoying to like a title, only to find out that the “subscription” isn’t enough and I have to pay more to access that content. To me, it’s just pure advertisement. And I personally don’t want it.

That’s a valid assessment, and I agree. I don’t think many people can make that differentiation and I’d like to find you a taller soap box.
 
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As in largely unprofitable and struggling to make money.

No, Netflix doesn’t make much money and burns cash like it’s going out of style. Why? They have to buy and pay for content. It’s not their fault...it’s just the business they’re in.

Netflix has A LOT of work to do. This is a hobby for Apple.

I am shaking in my boots if I’m Netflix, actually. Netflix understands original content is EXPENSIVE and HARD to make. Most of Netflix content consumed is simply licensed (paid for) content and guess who has more money than anyone to pay for content? That’s right, Apple.

Pretty much only Disney has been successful long term in making their own original content, and they are starting their own service too.

Netflix is an App at the end of the day. Without cash and meaningful content, they are going to have a hard time.

Quick, name 5 original Netflix shows with any staying power. I can’t either.

Now name 5 for Disney. And what Disney didn’t create, they bought and now own.

Tough business.

You have a point here ... unfortunately
Netflix has original content for a very special audience while disney is a monster and close to apple.

Amazon nor youtube were really able to bring a real tv service with good content on the long run / and steve apple would have definetly kicked some ass, lets see if greed succeds or the offer some real better experience!
 
Stand by whatever you want. Those shows were Netflix exclusives and popular. Disney buys content. Frozen is exactly my point. They took a public domain property and endlessly shoved it in our faces. If you remove the content they purchased after it was made and the public domain content Disney doesn’t have anything.
So Disney doesn’t make money from the content you think they stole? Hilarious.

Point is, Disney HAS content people pay to see. They own it, however they got it.

Disney has plenty of original content that was not purchased too, like Mickey and the rest of their characters. That is huge for kids. They also have plenty of movies in the vault, TV shows on Disney channel, etc.

If it’s easy to just steal public domain and market it heavily, why doesn’t everyone do it? Because Disney adds value and makes stuff people want to see. They may have bought Marvel, but they sure did execute.

You can’t just minimize the greatest content owner in the world by poo pooing their entire strategy as if it’s easy to replicate. That’s the whole point...no one can replicate it. You know how much of the Box Office Disney owns? Its like almost 30%. It’s utter dominance.
 
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