MacDaddyPanda
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lol, that's not the same thing. The service is being used at it's intended location.
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Netflix to Begin Cracking Down on Password Sharing in Early 2023
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it’s nothing like shoplifting. I go shoplifting, then I have removed a physical item that the shop has to replace at cost.
If torrent a TV show, then they still have that copy, and can make as many as they like, at no cost.
Repeat after me,
One is theft.
The other is copyright infringement.
And that’s the end of this matter. If you need further clarification, I suggest you speak to a local lawyer and get yourself educated on this matter instead of proving to the world your ignorance.
Thugs? Unethical? A bit extreme but you are entitled to your opinion. I view this as they have a service and content and can charge whatever they want for it.
I am sorry your brother cannot afford a subscription on his own, perhaps the ad supported tier would be a way for him to access their content without stealing it?
Good for you! Vote with your sub and your dollars, I totally support this method of making your point! I agree with you and think that one day they will offer the 1 screen option in 4k but today they don't.
Overcharging? Again a stretch, are their plans and levels poorly marketed, yes, I believe they are. The bottom line is they own their service and content and are free to charge what they will.
My point from the start of this thread has been if you don't find value in what they offer simply don't use their service but IMHO stealing it is not the answer. You are not entitled to their content as a price or service level of your choosing.
Um excuse me but are you promoting THEFT!
Netflix defines a house hold as “A Netflix account is for people who live together in a single household. This single household is the Netflix household and is associated with the primary account owner's devices and the devices used by other people who live in the Netflix household.”
Therefore, someone who does not LIVE there but watches Netflix there is STEALING.
MacDaddyPanda
macrumors 65816
Yeah theft of IP. Copyright materials taken without paying is theft.
EuroChilli
macrumors 6502a
Stealing is only stealing when you take something that wasn’t paid for. What should it matter who paid for it?
For all those in doubt
Theft;
”the felonious taking and removing of personal property with intent to deprive the rightful owner of it”
Nobody is depriving the rightful owner of their property by making a duplicate of it.
You cannot logically STEAL something by making a duplicate of it.
If come to your house, and make an exact replica of your car. You try going to the police to have me arrested for theft. I will come along, to laugh alongside the police officers.
Theft;
”the felonious taking and removing of personal property with intent to deprive the rightful owner of it”
Nobody is depriving the rightful owner of their property by making a duplicate of it.
You cannot logically STEAL something by making a duplicate of it.
If come to your house, and make an exact replica of your car. You try going to the police to have me arrested for theft. I will come along, to laugh alongside the police officers.
MacDaddyPanda
macrumors 65816
If you make a replica of my car down to the brand name and sell it yeah you're stealing the TM. If you sell it under the TM name and model. But that's why there' digital rights laws regarding the torrenting issue. I think you're just digging your own hole here.
Unless you plan to sell copied car as used.
Unless you plan to sell copied car as used.
You show me a court case then where someone guilty of copyright infringement gets it recorded on their record as theft.
We will all be waiting…
EuroChilli
macrumors 6502a
Netflix in a lot of cases offloads their content to local ISP’s. In such cases they pay sweet nothing for transmitting streams.
compwiz1202
macrumors 604
Yea you would think they would be more worried about bandwidth. One person binging like mad could worse than four watching occasionally
compwiz1202
macrumors 604
Yes or what if you have a party and they all watch something you have on Netflix as background?
I haven’t stolen anything, the fights holders still have their trademark, you still have your car.
I could be charged for fraud, perhaps, but theft? No chance. What part of this is beyond your capacity to understand?
MacDaddyPanda
macrumors 65816
If you're not authorized to sell it as new under the TM named that's different type of theft. lol Fraud is a form of Theft. What?
From a quality standpoint we prefer OTA TV. If streaming had better content then it might be different.
Good grief, the amount of people who believe that with enough handwaving their egos won’t get hurt by having to admit they are wrong that copyright infringement is classed as theft. Ever. The law is very specific with its definitions of each particular crime entails and the requirements to be tried in a court of law beyond reasonable doubt.
Gone are the days, where it’s some local Baron or King just making it up in the spot. Although there are a few amongst us it seems who wish those days were back in fashion.
If I go to a supermarket, I take a peek at a chocolate bar, say a Mars bar. Then I go home, recreate that chocolate bar in my own home, and I even print out the exact copy of the wrapper.
Are you seriously going to sit there, and tell me with a straight face, that if I did that, I would be facing a jury of my peers for stealing?
Ha ha ha ha ha ha….
Check your egos guys, seriously.
Gone are the days, where it’s some local Baron or King just making it up in the spot. Although there are a few amongst us it seems who wish those days were back in fashion.
If I go to a supermarket, I take a peek at a chocolate bar, say a Mars bar. Then I go home, recreate that chocolate bar in my own home, and I even print out the exact copy of the wrapper.
Are you seriously going to sit there, and tell me with a straight face, that if I did that, I would be facing a jury of my peers for stealing?
Ha ha ha ha ha ha….
Check your egos guys, seriously.
Yes -- it's called college kids. My kids leave the house and go to their dorm: now I need a separate account for them? Dumb.
If someone travels between states, how are they going to police that?
Possibly, but that doesn't stop the OPs actions being theft.
Theft that 'honest users', will have to pay for.
MacDaddyPanda
macrumors 65816
Semantics arguments about the definition of "theft". Mischaracterizing case law to bolster a case against calling it "theft" in the colloquial meaning of the word is just Not a very strong case to say it's not some type of theft. And countless cases use this to make their arguments. So you're only right in the sense of semantics ruling the court room. Since that's what arguing case law mostly is. A game of semantics. Interpretations of the law.
As far as the original discussion of this thread. Those sharing are technically in fact violating federal law, specifically the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. Obviously they're not going after individuals violating this law. But making policy to curtail or mitigate it.
As far as the original discussion of this thread. Those sharing are technically in fact violating federal law, specifically the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. Obviously they're not going after individuals violating this law. But making policy to curtail or mitigate it.
Rocko99991
macrumors 68000
My deadbeat relatives that use my login Identify as living under my household so..
Hyperbole much? If you want to reach out to an auto manufacturer and purchase all the parts to build it and then assemble it yourself be my guest but you cannot do it in my driveway.
If you cannot acknowledge the difference between the physical and digital then you are not debating in good faith.
Play word games all you want but if you watch Netflix content, outside of their TOS that was agreed upon by the account owner, but do not pay for it you are stealing that content.
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That is the best justification for stealing content that I have seen yet! You win the internet today!
Make the base ad free version HD and I will stop sharing. If they don’t the value proposition isn’t there for single person households as my cat doesn’t really watch much tv when I’m out.
Its simple, they are going after the masses. The masses don't use VPNs. The masses just use the ISP's router, WiFi, firewall, and modem that comes with the service to monitor their every move. The masses have been propagandized to like it. It is easy and free (so they are told).
While in theory I agree with you the Netflix TOS are very clear. If you don't like their TOS don't subscribe, simple as that. You are not allowed or entitled to set your own TOS or pricing tiers. I also encourage you to write them and let them know why you aren't a subscriber or why you canceled.
- It doesn't matter if you think it should be "per screen" anywhere, it isn't.
- It doesn't matter if you think they charge too much for their service, as owners (or distributors) of content and owners of the service they can charge what they want.
- If doesn't matter if they charge for 4k when no one else does, see above.
- It doesn't matter if they post to social media "love is sharing a password", if you use their service you agree to their TOS.
For the record I don't like most of their tiers either but I don't own their content.
None of the opinions posted here matter or are justification for stealing content. If you don't value their service vote with your dollars and cancel! Let them know why you canceled and perhaps they will change, if the don't then they die. Simple as that.
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