I feel that way about the likes of DirecTV stream also…who allows more simultaneous streams in the same physical house, but not remotely. 👎
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Netflix to Begin Cracking Down on Password Sharing in Early 2023
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I feel that way about the likes of DirecTV stream also…who allows more simultaneous streams in the same physical house, but not remotely. 👎
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It’s included with nfl, which is $25 a year
You hit the problem on the head my man. I honestly think we agree. You are wrong about one thing. People are stupid beyond belief and I don't know what it's going to take to fix it.
The mental gymnastics someone has to play to think "I am paying for four people this is fine" is insane to me.
Every one of us saying no there are 50 morons paying. That's where your logic falls apart. They never die. It wouldn't be an issue if people used their brains. It doesn't matter if we don't pay unless we can get others to do the same.
There are people in this discussion talking about how paying extra for the most expensive streaming service so mom and dad can watch a single show once a year is Netflix's great gift to them. HBO the kings of premium cost less than Netflix let that sink in. It's a losing battle.
Everytime I read vote with your wallet I just shake my head. It's a mental gymnastic in itself. If they don't listen they will die is a complete joke. Nope our society is broken and they will survive for way longer than they should be able to. Once dead their replacement will just repeat history.
I root for them the same way I root for Apple. Whether Netflix falls on it's own petard remains to be seen. Like Netflix or not, I don't care, share passwords or not, I don't care. Don't want to subscribe to Netflix, don't. At the end of the day you do you.
That's cool. I'll just cancel my account. The only reason I have it at all is I got the one where 3 or 4 people can be watching at one time and they pay me part of the subscription. I"ll just cancel, they each can get their own.
Thank you for the reasonable dialogue, it is rare in threads like this. The best discourse some can muster is an ironic use of the laughing emoji.
I have to disagree with you here. While I agree that 4k behind a theoretical wall of 4 screens or streams is an incredibly poor way to market the tier I cannot come to the conclusion that everyone that chooses the tier is a moron. I choose to believe that the content is worth the price to them regardless of the packaging (price tier). Netflix knows that people will pay for 4k even though they are the only ones charging for it so they do, good for them. Again I challenge the notion that subs at this tier are morons, they just find value in the content for the price.
Based on the above I have to disagree. Some people find value in the price/content ratio. Sadly some people are violating the TOS and using account sharing as a way to personally gain value for the content by reducing the cost, unfortunately this is against the TOS and stealing.
If you cannot find value in their pricing tiers and TOS then again, vote with your dollars don't sub or cancel AND write Netflix letting them know that you would be happy to subscribe if the offered a 4k single screen option at fair price.
This is no different than back in the album, tape and CD era, people wouldn't buy album X because it was $10 and it only had 3 good songs on it until they got the idea to "tape it" and sell the tape to a friend for $5, cutting the cost to create a personally positive cost/value ratio. Of course that was stealing too, you can make your own copies to protect against loss but you can't sell them.
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Im pretty sure no almost any router does not support that. Draytek is a business level device, it has many many features the average home router lacks.
Again, I pay for 2 streams, but it should not matter where I choose to view them, or who I choose to let view them. If it matters, I'm out.
It matters that I think they charge way too much. They are then welcome to cut me off if I stop paying. And trust me, I will, if I think it's no longer worth it. Don't worry, I will be voting with my credit card very soon.
To put it bluntly, as a paying customer, I am fully entitled to set my own TOS. If you don't like what I am prepared to pay, go right ahead and cut me off. Something is only worth what the market is prepared to pay for it.
To be fair I’m using the laugh reacts because it’s my genuine reaction to the effort you’re putting into defending Netflix. I can’t decide if they’re like a helpless underdog or a popular kid you really want to like you but the commitment to it is impressive to say the least.
Yea, I feel like such a thief right now. I'm married into an Italian family. In other words, a big family. So big, we have to throw Christmas parties in shifts. I just got back from the first party with 9 people, and I was playing Apple Music, from my personal subscription....I'm now waiting for the Apple Gestapo to show up at my door....
And where exactly is its intended location? Let me tell you where it is: wherever I find myself. So, if I in turn find myself at my mates house, that is where I expect to be able to use it. However, if my mate lives in another country, I have no problem being offered local content, if Netflix offers service in that country to begin with..... oops, I forgot to log out when I left....so feel free to log me out....but wait, it's still me...it was only my wife who went home and I stayed with said mate and we wanted to keep watching....but Netflix cut us all off because they thought my password was shared, only it wasn't. It was me all along.
Trust me, I have not shared my password with anyone. I have however personally logged into other devices not owned by me. Is that still a problem? If yes, how so?
My point is, if password sharing is such a problem, just simply put a stop to it, right now. They turned the service on, they can just turn it off, right? They can limit simultaneous streams, as they have been since the beginning, which then begs the question why they have not also limited password sharing. I know why though, for reasons already mentioned. What if it was me who personally logged in in various locations?
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We love HBO Max. Even with ads, it's a 30s ad every once in a while. I'm hoping we can find a crazy annual promo before the Black Friday one ends.
Great. Your opinion is that they "did this". But you don’t actually know. But you're right, it can be accurate. It can also be very very wrong. There have been times like election/voting modelling where big money is spent on accurate modelling ( with external companies) , which has been been off by large amounts. Sure, in hindsight they work out why. There are always excuses, but that’s why they pay the bucks, right?
The passive aggressive tone is interesting. So maybe it does affect you?
You're pretty adamant that Netflix have got this right, even though they had to trial it in a place with lower costs and a different market to places like Australia, the U.S. Europe. I submit that they are freaking out and trying many things to see what is the stickiest. If they could have gotten around this 2 years ago, they would have already done it.
Almost every business repositions or fails. I mean Netflix killed Blockbuster and Blockbuster was huge with almost 100,000 employees. It’s likely Netflix will die a slow death also, eventually. I don’t know how you will justify how the industry will be better. If they lose revenue like you're suggesting, they will produce less content, or cheaper content. And they’ll lose more money. They produce maybe 3 blockbuster series a year (Stranger Things, Wednesday and Bridgerton), and maybe a few more here and there, but that accounts for maybe 2 - 3 weeks of binging per year.
I can’t wait to hear your MR worthy response.
We use my girlfriends family account sometimes that is spread across 4 people for $19.99/month with my girlfriend living with me (just two different places, rest of the family is there at home), if this is implemented, well they said they will get the cheapest plan to watch at home only, so in any way it’s a lose for Netflix as they will just pay $9.99 instead of $19.99.
We are on another hand not interested in getting Netflix subscription as we constantly fail to find what to watch, there’s just too much stuff to choose from.
Stock price and revenue will most likely plummet next quarter when it’s implemented.
We are on another hand not interested in getting Netflix subscription as we constantly fail to find what to watch, there’s just too much stuff to choose from.
Stock price and revenue will most likely plummet next quarter when it’s implemented.
I have not defended Netflix in any way nor do I feel the need to do so. What I have done is state that they own their content as well as their service and they should be able to charge what they want and set their TOS and that IMHO account sharing is tantamount to stealing. Their choices may be destructive but the choices are theirs to make. A lot of people here feel some sort of entitlement to their content which is something I cannot process, if you want to use their service to consume their content then pay and play by their rules. Simple as that. If you do not feel that Netflix presents a value to you at the price they want to charge then don't consume their content, just walk away, stealing it should not be a justified alternative.
I guess many here have never created anything and wanted or needed to monetize it, if they had they might have a different take on this topic.
I have in fact agreed with some of the criticisms of Netflix that members have posted here, I just don't believe that disagreeing with Netflix's pricing tiers or TOS should be justification for stealing their content.
And some more thoughts; even though all these streaming services offer us so much choice, the one thing they don't offer us now or at any time in the future is extra time to watch it all. Basically, Netflix is treading on very thin ice. I for one have not hacked their source code, I have simply logged into more than one device in more than one location. If they now what to make me the bad man, go on, cut me off.
I walk into a bar during happy hour; 2 beers for the price of one. Do I have to drink both beers myself, or can I give one to a friend, family member, or perfect stranger?
I walk into a bar during happy hour; 2 beers for the price of one. Do I have to drink both beers myself, or can I give one to a friend, family member, or perfect stranger?
Ug, try harder.
Not once have I ever had to click twice to accept a TOS agreement with a bar dictating the circumstances around the consumption of happy hour drinks purchased by a single party. In fact I believe the practice of buying a round for one or more parties is commonplace. Furthermore you are dealing with physical goods versus digital where all parties have been compensated at an agreed upon level.
Anyone using Netflix has agreed to their TOS, what is so hard to understand about that? You don't get to pick and choose pieces you adhere to and ones you don't.
Correct. A reasonable person, imo, would speculate so. (And "reasonable person" is a persona, not anything else)
Sure, because some are wrong doesn't throw modelling out of the window. People who are PHDs in data science make it their work and charge big bucks because they have gone through it and understand how to model particular scenarios.
Genuine question; how is it stealing if it's paid for? 2 streams is 2 streams.
This whole saga is just Netflix getting very desperate for revenue/market share.
Enter the.....competition. And I'm not just talking about movies and series, I'm also talking about competition for my time. I have already mentioned this; the one thing these streaming services will never be able to offer us more of is time. So, they better make it worth our while.
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The response to passive agressive is that truth hurts at times?
Have you seen large corporations make major policy decisions with a wet finger in the air. While it may appear that way, it's not reasonable that they conduct business like that. (except maybe if one is Musk)
You know "people" were saying that about Apple since Cook took over -- how wrong they were.
Because it will straighten out some of rules and stop by bleeding by theft of services.
Perhaps, in the short run. If they don't use their smarts they will fail.
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