Perhaps if Netflix stopped pumping out their own (largely) garbage content and increasing prices to fund said content they'd be making more money and not losing subs. I'd much rather quality content over quantity.
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Netflix to Begin Cracking Down on Password Sharing in Early 2023
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I’m using someone else’s Netflix and have never agreed to their TOS. Is it my friend who’s actually the criminal here with this in mind? You’re calling me the thief but using the TOS as your argument so it sounds like by your logic the person who gave me their password is the thief, not me.
I pay for 4 streams so I should be able use 4... If I go over 4, block the 5th. I don't need some theoretical "home" concept.
If they tie it to an IP address, one, my ISP changes IP addresses assigned all the time, and 2 what about mobile? I watch it on my iPad on the bus... My mobile ISP gives me a different IP as well, and even with location services on, its not in one location. Hell the app originated as a mobile app... so the first time I get flagged trying to use it via mobile data on my iPad is when I cancel.
If they tie it to an IP address, one, my ISP changes IP addresses assigned all the time, and 2 what about mobile? I watch it on my iPad on the bus... My mobile ISP gives me a different IP as well, and even with location services on, its not in one location. Hell the app originated as a mobile app... so the first time I get flagged trying to use it via mobile data on my iPad is when I cancel.
If your router is routing all traffic through a vpn then it’s transparent to clients, they will all use the VPN and will have no idea they are using one…
Ok. Let me pick and choose this one:
4.2. The Netflix service and any content accessed through the service are for your personal and non-commercial use only and may not be shared with individuals beyond your household.
While my wife and I live together in the same legally registered household, we occasionally find ourselves in separate places for extended periods. She sometimes goes with her dad to Spain for a month or more while I stay at home in Belgium for work. Is she now not allowed to watch Netflix in Spain with the same account as me in Belgium? Or, I might go visit family in South Africa while she stays home in Belgium. I have even watched Netflix at sea with USA based satellite internet. So, dear Netflix, how do you plan on handling my wife and I?
Now for the record, we're not demanding free Netflix, not at all. We're just warning them they need to be very careful in our case. Yes, that is a threat. There is one place they can insert their 'service' if they give us any access problems while in any country where Netflix is already available. They are of course free to keep showing us local content. No, I'm not bothered with a VPN for this kind of stuff.
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How about making the pricing competitive so people would be less inclined to cheat? I can now get 4K on multiple devices with HBO Max AND Disney+ together for less than Netflix's 4K plan.
How much tax is Netflix legally obligated to pay?
Amongst major ss (streaming services), there's also...
--Paramount+ (unless there's a difference between that and Dolby Vision?)
--YouTube TV
--HBO Max IIRC?
If you buy or rent digitally, 4K will often cost more than SD or HD
For physical, BD will cost more than DVDs
For others...
--Curiosity Stream is $20 vs. $70 per year for HD vs. 4K
I'm glad we're not being forced to some sole 4K option b/c I can do $20 per year. $70 is waaay too much! Nm I don't even have a 4K set up, so I don't want to pay for something I can't even use.
--FRNDLY
TBF, people would pirate Apple One if they could!
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By using the service you agree to the TOS. If you are not a member of the account owners household as defined by them then you cannot use their account or their service. Simple as that.
What is a Netflix Household?
A Netflix account is meant to be shared with people who live in the same location with the account owner.
help.netflix.com
I agree but these choices are theirs to make, self destructive as we may feel they are.
I agree, I find their content has been slipping lately and if it were solely up to me I would cancel, my wife still finds value in it so we keep it. In my perfect world I will have 1 base service, like Netflix or Hulu and then use others in a binge fashion and rotate them as new content I want to see is released.
I don't see any issue with this at all and in fact I am in a similar situation. If anyone asked your wife where she lives my guess is she would say your home in Belgium. She is of course able to use your account as she travels, I don't think anyone is questioning this type of situation.
I travel extensively for work and on occasion use my account while traveling as I do with other streaming services as well.
I don't believe anyone is challenging (I certainly am not) any persons right to use the service as long as their primary residence is the same as the account owners and you are a member of their household. This would include children away at college.
Let's not be pedantic about this, what Netflix is trying to reign in are people who share accounts with multiple households because they want each household to have their own, paid for account. They are not going after adults who travel for business/pleasure or college children using their parents account while at school, these uses are allowed for in their TOS. That being said, and rightfully so, when children "leave the nest" and begin their own households they should get their own accounts.
I really think this is just a marketing mess caused 100% by Netflix, they never should have tied 4k to 4 streams. If they want to charge more for 4k then they should have mirrored their existing tiers and added say $2/mo for 4k. Also, who ever decided to tweet "love is sharing a password" should be fired as this mess is equally on them.
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There are differences to these plans that are worth noting. The cheapest hbo max plan is $9.99 with ads. The cheapest netflix plan is $6.99. With netflix you can pay for and be guaranteed multiple streams. With hbo max you are not guaranteed multiple streams.
It's a given all of these streaming services have multiple device support.
They already are, the entire Hackintosh community is stealing MacOS. Apple does not sell MacOS or license its use on other than Apple hardware, they simply cannot find a way to limit or prosecute individuals for the practice.
I figured rotating ss (streaming services) was what price conscious folks were doing to begin with. If you want convenience and just leave it on all year, that's valid too. But rotating them isn't terribly difficult nor time consuming. I don't know about others, but I only have time for 1 major ss at a time anyways (roommates and familes that live together could stand to have several going at once. However, at least the "per person" cost would be about on par).
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In my opinion the way they (could) get you, other than multiple streams from the same profile from different ip addresses, is by the use of smart devices that are not mobile devices. Smart TVs, ATV etc. Most smart tvs you have register the TV, unless you airplay everything. If you're usage consists of mobile devices and you don't go over the streaming limit, likely they will never catch up with you.
Here on MR, when complaints against the App Store for iOS developers come up, those who side with Apple on that are quick to point out that they agreed to their TOS.
I never suggested they would throw anything out of the window. But betting the company on it…. Or at least a very large impact. All I said, and it seems hard to grasp, is that modelling is at best, an educated guess. Ridiculous comments about a wet finger are just that. Ridiculous. I never once even suggested modelling was useless, or anything like it.
Once Netflix gets password sharing under control, they should call LastPass and give them some tips.
If you have to use a 2FA every time you open netflix, then no matter how easy it is, it's still gonna bother the hell out of that one friend - whose phone is associated to the main account - to answer multiple times a day the OTP/SMS code or whatever to those friends who he shares the account with.
Honestly, if this would happen, I would see lot of people either switching to a single account, or drop Netflix entirely.
I meant if you select another country, like if you want to watch content from Amercian Netflix on the router level, then sites like Amazon stop working properly.
Every entrepreneur dreams of being the next big thing that sells a monthly subscription for “just $10”. These add up and people don’t want to buy them for sporadic use. I can easily torrent almost every movie and tv show and have it pop up in my Plex library minutes after something airs. Yeah, it’s stealing. If I’m being honest, I had more fun putting the system together than I ever had watching the illicit content.
For those who have forgotten or perhaps don’t realise, in 2017 Netflix sent a tweet in support of password sharing, purely because it was the dominant market leader and had no real competition and was not losing subscribers:
An extremely short sighted arrogant thing Tom have done, but they did it, they never once said anything about it UNTIL last year, year before? When they started losing money and market share.
So no wonder people are confused or upset with them. Netflix told you to password share!
An extremely short sighted arrogant thing Tom have done, but they did it, they never once said anything about it UNTIL last year, year before? When they started losing money and market share.
So no wonder people are confused or upset with them. Netflix told you to password share!
I do.
Say I pay the top price of £16 a month for a subscription, allowing me up to 4 screens, but I only have three. Why shouldn't I be able to share what's mine with a friend or family member? There's no fraud involved. Netflix are not being shortchanged.
My son pays for Netflix for his use and his two children. They are often at our house and want to watch kids programmes so they use their Netflix for that on their iPads. However, I'd love it if Netflix was to offer a family sharing option where we could pay a small subscription fee so we can watch adult content when they are not here. Maybe a 'Friends and Family' subscription service like O2 do for mobile phones?
Just die Netflix!
Not subscribed anymore for one year, your service has become worse and worse. For years you included a huge percentage of political content followed by 1% in the rest of the world and maybe only 10% in North America, at least give voice to different opinions if you want to build a political platform. But I don't think anybody wants to pay for a political platform.
Since you were born you are still keeping 720p regardless your subscription is the most expensive.
You complain about your customers accusing them of sharing passwords. So do you think you are the only service around? do you think only you suffer from "business risk"?
You blame others for your incredible mistakes!
Just die Netflix!
Leave space for others, please!
Not subscribed anymore for one year, your service has become worse and worse. For years you included a huge percentage of political content followed by 1% in the rest of the world and maybe only 10% in North America, at least give voice to different opinions if you want to build a political platform. But I don't think anybody wants to pay for a political platform.
Since you were born you are still keeping 720p regardless your subscription is the most expensive.
You complain about your customers accusing them of sharing passwords. So do you think you are the only service around? do you think only you suffer from "business risk"?
You blame others for your incredible mistakes!
Just die Netflix!
Leave space for others, please!
By using the service you agree to the TOS. If you are not a member of the account owners household as defined by them then you cannot use their account or their service. Simple as that.
What is a Netflix Household?
A Netflix account is meant to be shared with people who live in the same location with the account owner.
I agree but these choices are theirs to make, self destructive as we may feel they are.
I agree, I find their content has been slipping lately and if it were solely up to me I would cancel, my wife still finds value in it so we keep it. In my perfect world I will have 1 base service, like Netflix or Hulu and then use others in a binge fashion and rotate them as new content I want to see is released.
I don't see any issue with this at all and in fact I am in a similar situation. If anyone asked your wife where she lives my guess is she would say your home in Belgium. She is of course able to use your account as she travels, I don't think anyone is questioning this type of situation.
I travel extensively for work and on occasion use my account while traveling as I do with other streaming services as well.
I don't believe anyone is challenging (I certainly am not) any persons right to use the service as long as their primary residence is the same as the account owners and you are a member of their household. This would include children away at college.
Let's not be pedantic about this, what Netflix is trying to reign in are people who share accounts with multiple households because they want each household to have their own, paid for account. They are not going after adults who travel for business/pleasure or college children using their parents account while at school, these uses are allowed for in their TOS. That being said, and rightfully so, when children "leave the nest" and begin their own households they should get their own accounts.
I really think this is just a marketing mess caused 100% by Netflix, they never should have tied 4k to 4 streams. If they want to charge more for 4k then they should have mirrored their existing tiers and added say $2/mo for 4k. Also, who ever decided to tweet "love is sharing a password" should be fired as this mess is equally on them.
I'll be honest, and I've said this before, I really don't mind them trying to get paid. But firstly, they are seriously pushing the boundaries of what I for one think is a reasonable price to pay, on top of all the product placement. The Pizza Hut / Mountain Dew scene in Wayne's World was kinda funny and more part of the show. I didn't really think of it as product placement or advertising, even though I'm sure it was. But at the end of the day, advertising is advertising. This is one reason I don't have cable; you pay enough for it, and yet a 45 minute episode takes over 90 mins to watch. I also hardly ever listen to commercial FM radio anymore. So, I am prepared to pay cash to have any and all advertising removed, including product placement. Even if Apple introduced an ad supported music service, I wouldn't take it. What they are charging now for Apple Music is still very reasonable. And I actually use it, a lot. 44 days this year.
About their definition of household. I have to confess, I have been somewhat economical with the truth. Our personal living arrangements over the years have been very unconventional, and still are. While we were never really homeless, my wife and I have worked ski seasons in Austria, driven safari tours all over southern Africa, road tripped Canada, worked on ships at sea, etc etc, all while maintaining and using a Netflix account I set up at her parents house in Belgium, which at one point we were officially registered as living in (for tax purposes), although we were seldom there. Naturally, my wife's dad also used and still uses the same Netflix account. We now live down the road from her dad, but still spend plenty time with him, his place, our place, in Spain and elsewhere; we all still move around quite a bit. So my question in this case; what do we do with the Netflix account? It's in my name/PayPal account, but my father in law is actually paying me for it because he wants it more than I do. Apart from Wednesday, Ozark and Stranger Things, there is little else I've enjoyed watching. Do they honestly want us to now split the account and pay them more? If that's what they want, they will very likely lose my wife and I. My FIL is then welcome to transfer his profile in to his own account. But, how do you explain this to an 82 year old? I suppose I can set it up for him using his credit card, but I would then know his password, so he and I would both be breaking the TOS, right?
But my main question is even if we split the current account, how do we prove it's only us using the respective accounts, what with the extensive travelling we do? What concerns me is they are going to accuse us of password sharing and demand extra verification steps I'm not at all sure I want to do. I am most certainly not going to give them my actual residential address.
The way things are going, we may well ditch Netflix and will just stick with Primevideo for €25/year. And, Prime even has a macOS app for Apple Silicon which allows you to download stuff and take it with you. Same for Apple Music.
I think the reason Netflix hasn't already enforced this and have been busy testing things in 3rd world countries is because it is technically very difficult to do without cutting off swathes of legitimate users, especially ones like us who are in a somewhat grey area. Now it's one thing to move around within big countries like the USA and Canada, but when you may watch Netflix across 5 European countries in one week, how will Netflix treat that? Prime and Apple Music haven't so much as batted an eyelid, so far. You even have people who live in one country and work in another and travel across borders, every day. International European truck drivers, etc etc.
So basically, as long as Netflix is only being used privately, why should they care? If I had a restaurant/bar and played Netflix or Apple Music in there, that's a problem. This much I know. They are very strict with music in public places here in Belgium. They do check up on such things to make sure you have the appropriate music/TV license.
I got a post deleted a while ago because it was too short. Is this one long enough?
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