Netflix to Begin Cracking Down on Password Sharing in Early 2023

[I7guy]

You’ve only just mentioned Machine Learning. Goal posts moved I guess. You mentioned "modelling" to which ML is only one part.

No, it was definitely trying to belittle. But I understand what many MR members are like, so it’s pretty much water off a ducks back.

btw, Will Yankees beat the Mets is a question, not an educated guess. Picking a winner may be an educated guess and that guess could equally be based on modelling of many kinds (history, ins/outs) or even machine learning, but we were talking about Netflix changing the goal posts on their subscription, (like you're changing the goalposts).

Ah well, I’m over your flexible comments. I was just commenting on modelling, to which you clearly have forgotten. I have my opinion and you have yours. Time to move on #bored

Hey Steve, we could have had a good conversation about this, but the above is disingenuous, as is many of posts unfortunately. (such is the internet)

Good point regarding the model. The model is a core component of ML.

The answer to the question will the ”Yankees beat the Mets” is an educated guess. And you can talk about batting averages, player determination making the answer an educated guess.

Imo, Netflix won’t be able to answer questions such as:
- if we make a policy change how many subscribers will we lose
- how many will churn
- etc

Without modeling through the use of ML. Which is probably augmented through outside services.

Of course it’s my opinion and none of this can be proved and I don’t care if you like Netflix policy change or not or want to be pedantic. #youdoyou

Peace out!

 

[macinfojunkie]

Pretty sure no one here, or virtually no one here supports paying $700 for wheels, let alone salivates for it. But if people want to put others down when they don't even have the capacity or empathy to understand someone elses life then go ahead. The worlds a big place and I think no one cares about people with such a small mindset of those people.

It must be a sad life indeed for those people.

My sincere apologies to you. K appear to have hit a nerve and the tongue in cheek nature of my post must have gone ‘whoosh’ straight over your head. Hope your situation improves in 2023 and the additional $3 is not so much of a worry.

The seasons greetings to you and yours.

(#pisstake).

 

[macduke]

What about people who use iCloud Private Relay or other VPN service? Are they going to lock them out of using their own devices? What about people who watch Netflix at work during their sad desk lunch break? I used to do sad desk lunch Netflix all the time back in the day.

Not that I care. I dropped their ass with the last price hike after signing up at launch back in the late 2000s. Hardly anything good worth watching on there anymore, just a bunch of lousy Netflix shows. Would love to see them crumble. They deserve it!

It’s like they think people would pay for it if forced to. Companies used that same logic with piracy. All it did was punish the paying users. I see the same happening, per my first comment above.

 

[I7guy]

What about people who use iCloud Private Relay or other VPN service? Are they going to lock them out of using their own devices? What about people who watch Netflix at work during their sad desk lunch break? I used to do sad desk lunch Netflix all the time back in the day.

My guess is the device type would be a part of determining if a TOS violation would occur. Phones, tablets, mobile devices are different than smart TVs. Most of which have to be activated (smart TVs, not mobile devices)

Not that I care. I dropped their ass with the last price hike after signing up at launch back in the late 2000s. Hardly anything good worth watching on there anymore, just a bunch of lousy Netflix shows. Would love to see them crumble. They deserve it!

Vote with your $$$. I like it. I have no intention of dropping them. We like the content.

It’s like they think people would pay for it if forced to. Companies used that same logic with piracy. All it did was punish the paying users. I see the same happening, per my first comment above.

We’ll have to see what happens.

 

[arobert3434]

I can't believe how many people complain about this, needing to pay a extra $3 a month on a $12 plan – how dare they, I'll quit, etc. – while others apparently happily pay Google **$65** a month for YouTube TV. Maybe they need a new PR department.

 

[steve09090]

My sincere apologies to you. K appear to have hit a nerve and the tongue in cheek nature of my post must have gone ‘whoosh’ straight over your head. Hope your situation improves in 2023 and the additional $3 is not so much of a worry.

The seasons greetings to you and yours.

(#pisstake).

😂😂. No offence taken. Merry Christmas to you 🎄🎄

p.s. the $3 is never a problem.

 

[Abazigal]

I can't believe how many people complain about this, needing to pay a extra $3 a month on a $12 plan – how dare they, I'll quit, etc. – while others apparently happily pay Google **$65** a month for YouTube TV. Maybe they need a new PR department.

It basically comes down to price vs value.

$20 a month may not be all that expensive, but if I am going months without being able to find any good content on Netflix to watch, then what exactly am I paying for? A lot of the content they are putting out feels very disposable, like they are there to fill a quota rather than to tell a good story.

 

[I7guy]

It basically comes down to price vs value.

$20 a month may not be all that expensive, but if I am going months without being able to find any good content on Netflix to watch, then what exactly am I paying for? A lot of the content they are putting out feels very disposable, like they are there to fill a quota rather than to tell a good story.

I pay for 4 4K streams for my family. My grown and married kids love netflix due to the childrens content, which is better than other services as per them (including free youtube). So it's worth it a sunk cost of $350/year for the family. For us there is always something to watch on Netflix, but YMMV.

 

[damienbutt]

I use Netflix without agreeing to their TOS.

 

[I7guy]

You don't have to agree to the TOS, the account holder does.

 

[turbineseaplane]

I'm sort of amazed so many are still paying for Netflix at all

It's a shell of what it once was

 

[turbineseaplane]

I can't believe how many people complain about this, needing to pay a extra $3 a month on a $12 plan – how dare they, I'll quit, etc. – while others apparently happily pay Google **$65** a month for YouTube TV.

They are totally different products (surely you know this?)

 

[I7guy]

I'm sort of amazed so many are still paying for Netflix at all

It's a shell of what it once was

Well I like it and I pay for Netflix.

They are totally different products (surely you know this?)

Your mileage will always vary. I wouldn't pay $.01 a year for youtube tv. Although I think the point is the scale of the difference between ponying up $3 for an extra subscriber to $65/mo for youtube tv.

 

[seek3r]

I meant if you select another country, like if you want to watch content from Amercian Netflix on the router level, then sites like Amazon stop working properly.

You realize a VPN doesnt necessarily mean another country, right? As for international, it depends in your intention, lot of netflix content isnt available in the US anymore for ex. Amazon works fine, it just routes to the local by default, you can still use the american amazon store the same way I occasionally buy things from amazon uk without a vpn. Just go directly to it.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Although I think the point is the scale of the difference between ponying up $3 for an extra subscriber to $65/mo for youtube tv.

There is no "point" to be made.

Netflix and YouTubeTV are totally different and dissimilar products (in very important ways that impact the cost) and shouldn't be talked about in the same discussion.

 

[I7guy]

There is no "point" to be made.

Netflix and YouTubeTV are totally different and dissimilar products (in very important ways that impact the cost) and shouldn't be talked about in the same discussion.

I learned a long time ago on online forums that the way you might think is not the way others may think. People do and believe what they want.

 

[steve09090]

I learned a long time ago on online forums that the way you might think is not the way others may think. People do and believe what they want.

That's for sure. My brother only subscribes to Youtube and gets to watch many movies through it. He unsubscribed from Netflix years ago and hasn't missed it. As you said, people think differently, But I would definitely be willing to change my subscription to Youtube if I ditched Netflix. It simply is becoming another Paramount+ with "New Movies" being added from 2007... Their Niche was producing so much new good content, and that is becoming a rarity.

At least Youtube has new content from some quality producers that actually have interest to me. But if you're a fan of Emily in Paris, then more power to you. People are entitled to their opinion without being spoken down to.

 

[0924487]

Time to use Plex, Jellyfin or Infuse.

 

[0924487]

Good.

People should pay for services they use at the presented cost. If that cost is prohibitive or not of value to you then don't use it but don't steal it.

People should do a lot of things.

 

[Seanm87]

I use a friends account to watch Netflix. And no I don’t care if that’s considered stealing.

Would I pay for Netflix? Nope. It has the odd thing good on it now and then but not worth the prices they charge. I honestly think they’d be surprised with the amount of people that just wouldn’t bother.

 

[Abazigal]

Above Avalon: Netflix Isn't Invincible

Netflix has been on a roll. The company is adding approximately two million paying subscribers per month while its original content portfolio grows by leaps and bounds. However, calls suggesting Netflix has won the paid video streaming war are grossly premature. In fact, the battle hasn’t even begun

www.aboveavalon.com

I am reminded of this article by Neil Cybart back in 2018, which ended up aging pretty well.

Fast forward to today, and we are starting to see the cracks widen in the video streaming space, not least due to the following reasons:

1) Creating video content is expensive, and it's telling that there currently does not seem to be any streaming service that is profitable. It may come to a point where the winner doesn't hinge on having the most content or the most subscribers, but possessing the deepest pockets and simply outlasting everybody else.

2) It's not that difficult to switch between different streaming services. Paying for Netflix doesn't preclude a consumer from also subscribing to other services like TV+ and Disney+. Netflix doesn't have a monopoly on good storytelling, and frankly, a lot of their original content has been pretty mediocre.

Netflix continues to face the risk of simply being a paid video streaming company, and I don't see that changing anytime soon.

 

[steve09090]

Above Avalon: Netflix Isn't Invincible

Netflix has been on a roll. The company is adding approximately two million paying subscribers per month while its original content portfolio grows by leaps and bounds. However, calls suggesting Netflix has won the paid video streaming war are grossly premature. In fact, the battle hasn’t even begun

www.aboveavalon.com

I am reminded of this article by Neil Cybart back in 2018, which ended up aging pretty well.

Fast forward to today, and we are starting to see the cracks widen in the video streaming space, not least due to the following reasons:

1) Creating video content is expensive, and it's telling that there currently does not seem to be any streaming service that is profitable. It may come to a point where the winner doesn't hinge on having the most content or the most subscribers, but possessing the deepest pockets and simply outlasting everybody else.

2) It's not that difficult to switch between different streaming services. Paying for Netflix doesn't preclude a consumer from also subscribing to other services like TV+ and Disney+. Netflix doesn't have a monopoly on good storytelling, and frankly, a lot of their original content has been pretty mediocre.

Netflix continues to face the risk of simply being a paid video streaming company, and I don't see that changing anytime soon.

That’s a really good article. From 2018 no less and they pretty much nailed it.

It almost demonstrates that increased fees will stifle any growth of Netflix with many other players on the market. Apple’s strategy of starting to include sports sees them potentially gaining more subscribers while allowing their own shows to thrive. Sure, if you're a sports nut, you might have FoxSports, Sky or in Australia, Kayo (fox sports) but for many who just want to see the Friday night games, or the odd MSL game, then Apple can be the answer.

I like how Apple advertise other channels on the Apple TV. Apple are after subscribers and of course they get a cut ($) if people subscribe to another service through their device. Netflix have definitely got a lot to do if they want to keep the largest chunk of pie. It’s telling that Apple don’t advertise Netflix.

I think the key is that Netflix are trying to be "the winner" of subscriptions, but the reality is that they are all just taking a piece of the pie. Either way, I think Apple have the best strategy to get the dollars going forward and Netflix need to reposition themselves. Is gaming really the best they’ve got to do this?

 

[Bonte]

My youngest kid and her boyfriend live in two households, not to mention kids with separated parents. I wonder how Netflix is going to monitor and regulate all of this.

 

[wirefire]

this is going to lead to issues. Since Netflix is supported on so many mobile devices, their ip addresses change frequently. I also travel and use my Netflix account. lets say for arguments sake the code is like a 2fa code to a cell phone. When I am roaming around Disney world with kids or traveling I don’t want to have to put in the code everytime my address changes. Technology has to work for people, not people work for technology or you will piss them off and they will leave

 

[DotCom2]

Given that the stock has lost over half its value this year, I don't think the market likes them either!