So Netflix says 222 million households are password sharing, against what I recently saw elsewhere as 231 million subscribers total. Seems pretty darn rampant. It's interesting they chose to ignore it for so long, almost as if they wanted to preserve a stash of revenue to unlock on some future rainy day.
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Netflix to Expand Crackdown on Password Sharing in Q1 2023
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They better stop charging for 4k then. It’s insane to. I pay $1 a month for Hulu and it’s 4k
Curious how this will work for me; I travel, and use my account outside my household on three different Apple TVs (2 at home, and one that I take with me). My Wife travels for work, and uses it. I use the account on two iPads, and three 'within the household' iPhones. then from time to time at work, I will have something streaming on my laptop for white noise. No account sharing outside of the persons of my household, so if Netflix deems I pay more, then I think they need to prove I'm sharing or at least have a process for me to make my case, not just make the assumption. Fees have already doubled since I created my account, and choice has shrunk.
Armchair market experts have been predicting the demise of Netflix for years. (similar to those claiming that Apple is on the verge of collapse)
This latest move by Netflix has been a clarion call for those "experts" once again. But how can this be? Weren't we told that the last move by Netflix would cause a mass exodus of customers resulting in its collapse?
And we're told that there's no compelling content and that the only reason people continue to subscribe is because they've forgotten that they have a subscription. 😅
ok, there IS some legitimacy to that last point since there are apps out there to help people manage their subscriptions.
We don't have the details on their customer data. They do. Netflix knows what they're doing. They know that for all of the harrumphing over this change, they'll lose a handful of subscribers, but pick more up. The net result will most likely be a net increase in revenue.
This latest move by Netflix has been a clarion call for those "experts" once again. But how can this be? Weren't we told that the last move by Netflix would cause a mass exodus of customers resulting in its collapse?
And we're told that there's no compelling content and that the only reason people continue to subscribe is because they've forgotten that they have a subscription. 😅 ok, there IS some legitimacy to that last point since there are apps out there to help people manage their subscriptions.
We don't have the details on their customer data. They do. Netflix knows what they're doing. They know that for all of the harrumphing over this change, they'll lose a handful of subscribers, but pick more up. The net result will most likely be a net increase in revenue.
Disney+ is one product among many income streams for Disney and they can afford to lose money or make less money from it. Netflix is entirely reliant on the margins for their subscriptions.
Disney+ is similar to how Apple can afford to make little money or lose money on Apple Music, while Spotify cannot.
That will be interesting to see. If I am staying at a hotel, out of town, etc my IP will be different, but it is still my Netflix account. My guess is they are looking for regular use from various different IPs.
If they notice 3-4 times a week 4 different IPs are accessing the account, they probably flag it. I shockingly have faith their algorithms will manage this pretty well.
Nope that is not what I signed up for.
Have you actually read the Netflix terms of service? You should.
As of right now individuals in a household are absolutely allowed to watch 4 screens in different locations. It does not have to be 4 screens in the same physical house.
Good, pay their price for their service or unsubscribe but sharing with those outside your household is against the TOS and analogous to theft.
What is a Netflix Household?
A Netflix account is meant to be shared with people who live in the same location with the account owner.help.netflix.com
Sharing your Netflix account
A Netflix account is meant to be shared in one household – people who live in the same location with the account owner.
Simple as that.
Then why does no other streaming service care? Hulu maxes out at two streams. To a degree they don’t care where those two streams are. Give them ten more bucks a month and the streams become “unlimited.”
But, fair enough, it is against their dumb TOS. So you are correct, the right move is just to cancel.
Netflix and HBO both have made some bold moves lately of betting they can raise prices and squeeze more without people canceling. Let’s see if it pays off for them.
Netflix used to be great, not so much anymore. This move will lead to 10's of thousands of cancellations.
I wonder about this too with the IP address thing. We go a lot in our RV and have also set up our account on a beach house rental on many vacations.
I wonder if having the AppleTV I use for the camper and vacations being a "registered device" fixes that.
That's not how terms and conditions work. The restrictions might be arbitrary to users but you agreed to it when you signed up for the service and they have every right to enforce their own policy. That said, I am also password sharing and I will be cancelling whenever they implement this new fee.
The amount of people bitching about Netflix cracking down on theft is pretty hilarious. You got free Netflix for a decade, and now you want to cry about ripping them off?
Sorry?
Sorry?
This is a weird amount of confidence from someone who admits that we don't know anything. Given the recent stories coming out of Netflix, around stagnating and even declining user acquisition rates in the US and other countries, this is more than likely something of a hail mary to calm investors during a turbulent economic climate. I don't see that there is a guarantee that it will work, especially in a climate where Netflix is facing losing a lot of its legacy IP as older brands start their own streaming services. A lot of people are going to look at Netflix's offering and think that for the same price they can get Disney+ and Paramount+ which include lots of old franchises they know and love.
My "confidence" is based on history. The doomsayers may one day be correct, but they're going to be wrong each and every time until they are. 😄
You keep saying this in message after message, but people here haven't been arguing that Netflix doesn't have the legal authority to enforce its TOS or change them as they see fit. The argument has been that this is a greedy, counterproductive move that is particularly crappy for single-person households who have utilized password sharing but who are now expected to pay more for what multi-person households already get: use of multiple screens simultaneously.
Why do you think multi-person households should get to pay less per Netflix screen than a single-person household?
no, it's always about money. That's why they never had a problem with it, even endorsed it, until things started going in the wrong direction financially.
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The theoretical loss of income has been tried endlessly in relation to music piracy, or digital movie piracy, or video game piracy. It is not only impossible, but laughably optimistic to make the claim/assumption that a pirated copy of anything (or the sharing of a password to access a Netflix account) is equivalent to a lost sale.
At the end of the day, Netflix is well within their rights to enforce their TOS. I will not argue that by sharing my password with someone I'm somehow NOT breaking the TOS. Because I most certainly would be. But that is not equivalent to theft or any form of loss of potential income. Because the person with whom I share that password might never have spent the money on an account of their own.
Same applies to anyone who goes online and downloads a copy of an album, movie or game. If the option didn't exist, doesn't mean that person would have spent the money to get it legally. It's wishful thinking of the highest order.
Exactly if they pull this they need to separate the upcharges for res and number of streams. If they added a 4k 1 stream for a decent price, I might consider checking it out again after forever
You misunderstood.
Again...Netflix doesn't want to lose money due to fraudulent use of their product.
Yea wonder if they will pull the third one all the businesses are and cut portions by limiting bandwidth per month or charging for buckets of more
Yes theft.
You're violating the terms of the agreement you voluntarily agreed to.
Don't like Netflix's terms? Find another streaming service that has terms agreeable to sharing their service in the manner you wish. Easy.
But the terms says you can watch four streams. I don't share but I want to watch when I'm on my mobile or vacation place. Or are we paying to watch from four different devices only at our main home? They need to clarify, because I will have to cancel if that's the case.
Well I guess technically. The price per view would just drop as you watch more.It already is,..that IS the subscription model.