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how will at&T find out that you tethered your iphone 3g? and how do you know how much data you have used on your mac?

They know how much data you used because it goes through their servers (it's not like the internet lives on your computer :rolleyes:) they may not know if you tethered, but again the data goes through their servers. The issue for them isn't that you tether it's that you will use more data on your computer than your iPhone. Which is lame, because the data plan you buy for the iPhone includes tethering!
 
It will probably be allowed under 5GB indefinately!

A free NetShare tethering bonanza will likely be for keeps because Apple will have concerns about being sued by any people being disconnected by Att who kept there usage in the 5gb threshold.That should keep all purchasers of the app safe who keep there usage moderate.
 
Man, I'm sorry I missed this as it is one of the only things I wish the iPhone would do that my POS T608 did flawlessly on Sprint. This and lack of VOIP capability (which I should be able to do using my cable internet I already over-pay for). I REALLY didn't want to have to hack my iPhone but I will...*sigh*
 
According to SpeakEasy:

Last Result:
Download Speed: 863 kbps (107.9 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 309 kbps (38.6 KB/sec transfer rate)

Not too shabby. I'm so glad I got this app while I could. I only missed it by a few minutes the first time so I pounced on it while I could. I still wonder what in the world is going on with this app. So weird.
 
This and lack of VOIP capability (which I should be able to do using my cable internet I already over-pay for). I REALLY didn't want to have to hack my iPhone but I will...*sigh*

iCall or similar should fix that eventually. Hope it's soon. It's allowed within the limits of the SDK on wifi according to SJ.
 
It's gone for now

New tethering apps from Apple will follow before long.Att won't be able to have there way for much longer now the iPhone is 3G.Apple deliberately let the cat out of the bag by slipping in Nullrivers app and soon it'll be there own.
 
dammit, I'm one day too late. Just got my iphone on saturday. Also cancelled my sprint mobile card (to save some money and also because sprint sucks.) Was really hoping to tether with this phone. If nothing comes out soon, I may resort to jailbreaking, which I am reluctant to do.
 
I'm amused/slightly worried that a computerworld writer came to macrumors forums to find something to quote for his article on tethering...

http://www.computerworld.com/action...leBasic&articleId=9111479&source=rss_topic123


(Also to some people implying that I, among others, may be some low wage AT&T/Apple employee trying to be sympathetic to their cause..you are so wrong on so many levels you have no idea. I hate it, but I know I have a plan for my phone that does not allow tethering so I know that AT&T is fully capable of billing me something insane for tethering if they wanted to. I want it to change, but at the moment, that is not happening and if that does, I will probably have to upgrade to a more expensive plan that does allow for tethering (and even then, in the 5gb/month max kind of range). But I am not some stupid corporate shill for telling the truth. You want people who HAVE been billed for tethering to come up? Go look on howardforums, I see that kind of stuff regularly there.)

wow janey, now you're famous!
 
Response from iTunes Support:

On Saturday, I sent the following email to iTunes Support:
I purchased Net Share yesterday afternoon. Today, after syncing my phone, all traces of it have been removed from my phone and my account. It is quite obvious from Apple's actions regarding this program, that they do not want the consumers to have it. However, I have a receipt for the program and whatever Apple's position on the program is, removing it and and any record of my purchase of it is nothing short of theft. I have a receipt - a legally binding contract, and as such, it is at my discretion, not the sellers to decide whether or not to return it for all or a portion of the selling price. As Apple and all software anti-piracy advocates so often remind us, software is a product just like anything else and should be treated thusly. Should I be concerned that if Apple decides that they have changed their collective minds about selling me a laptop that they now think that they have the right to take it back with or without warning? The concept in this instance ludicrous and would not stand in any court, so why is software any different?
I want my program back - not my money back, because as it it plainly laid out in your terms of use, all sales are final.


Today, I received this reply:
Dear James,

I'm sincerely sorry for any inconvenience this issue may have caused you.

I understand that after syncing your iPhone, the application Net Share is no longer available for you to download.

I assure you that Apple/ The iTunes Store, has no method to remove items from a customers computer, or iPhone.

You most likely lost this application when you synced your iPhone to your computer, before transferring the application back to your computer.

In this case, Section 9.a. of the iTunes Store Terms of Service states:

Products may only be downloaded once; after being downloaded, they cannot be replaced if lost for any reason. Once a Product is purchased or rented (as applicable) and you receive the Product, it is your responsibility not to lose, destroy, or damage the Product, and Apple shall be without liability to you in the event of any loss, destruction, or damage.

http://www.apple.com/legal/itunes/us/service.html

Also, I understand that you would like us to make this software available for you to re-download. Unfortunately, this is impossible, as this item is no longer available on the iTunes Store.

Please see section 13.b. of the iTunes Store Terms of Service:

Removal of Apple Content or Other Materials. Notwithstanding any other provision of this Agreement, Apple and its licensors reserve the right to change, suspend, remove, or disable access to any Products, content, or other materials comprising a part of the Service at any time without notice. In no event will Apple be liable for the removal of or disabling of access to any such Products, content or materials under this Agreement. Apple may also impose limits on the use of or access to certain features or portions of the Service, in any case and without notice or liability.

I will be happy to issue you a refund for this application at your request. However, please note that this would be an exception to the iTunes Store Terms of Sale.

http://www.apple.com/legal/itunes/us/sales.html

If you need further assistance regarding this issue, please contact your legal advisor, who may contact Apple's litigation department http://www.apple.com/legal/contacts.html on your behalf.

Thank you for your patience as we resolve this matter. The iTunes Store appreciates your business.

Sincerely,

Cordon
Tier 2 iTunes Store Customer Support
http://www.apple.com/support/itunes/ww/

Please Note: I work Thursday through Monday
12 p.m. to 9 p.m. CST

Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to assist you. You may receive an AppleCare survey email; any feedback you provide would be greatly appreciated.


This is total BS and they know it.
 
I'm not telling people what they should and shouldn't be doing with their iPhone. I am just pointing out what is written in all that fine print they apparently forgot to read and comprehend when they agreed to service from AT&T. There is a huge difference there.

If they still feel like ignoring it and they still feel like ignoring the good warnings telling them not to overdo it, then they will get what they agreed to. Basically: bills, possible disconnection, warnings.

It's that simple, it's that obvious, and some people are still not understanding it and think it's some evil AT&T scheme. Well guess what, like I said, you agreed to it in the first place. Time to cancel the contract or move to a different phone with a tethering plan if it's that important to you.

Actually you are wildly exaggerating the risk. Probably moderate tetherers have less than a 1 in 1000 chance of getting caught. The rewards are much higher than the risk, and you are only taking the line you are doing because you see it from Apple's POV.

From the consumer POV this app is low risk, high reward. Most other phones on AT&T can be tethered, and you dont hear of 1000 people a day being asked to pay $1000 to AT&T.

In short, stop scaremongering.
 
Some of you are delusional..there will be no software updates to this program, it was pulled, it's not for sale.

There wont be anymore tethering apps. It was pulled for a reason. I'm sorry you mssed out but I can't let a fellow human being live in denial.

Somebody responded to my earlier post about the battery. MacBook plugged in shouldvebeen more than enough power to balance the power output/intake.
 
NetShare Refund & More!

I emailed Apple to get a refund of my $9.99 for NetShare and ended up with no only a refund but a song credit for the iTunes Music Store. The refund was expected... the song credit wasn't. Read how it happened.

#### Original Message To Apple ####
I purchased NetShare from the App store in good faith,
since Apple had approved this software to be sold in the App store,
and only allows certified applications from registered developers.
Come to find out Apple has been removing this item from the store
with no explanation. If this software is removed from the store, I
cannot get updates, thus this software isn't worth anything to me.

I request a full refund of this software, $9.99. In the future,
Apple should take more care in approving the software it allows to
be sold and avoid what happened here.

Bryan

#### Apple Response ####
Hello Bryan,

I understand that you would like a refund for the application
purchase of "NetShare". Please accept my sincere apologies for any
frustration caused. I appreciate your patience. My name is Amanda,
and I am more then happy to help.

I have reversed the charge for this purchase. Please note that all
iTunes Store sales are final, so this is an exception that I cannot
promise will be granted again.

In three to five business days, a credit of $9.99, should be posted
to the credit card that appears on the receipt for that purchase.

Thank you for choosing the iTunes Store. It has been a pleasure
assisting you. If you have any further questions, please don't
hesitate to reply to this email. Hope you have a great day.

Amanda
iTunes customer support

#### My E-mail to my father, but accidently forwarded it to Apple ####
#### He had issues with store credits, so I wanted to tell him about the NetShare problem ####
I had my own bone to pick with Apple about a purchase.... read below
and see my original email at bottom

Bryan
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" -- John Lennon <- My Signature

#### LOL. Apple gets the message above meant for my father ####
Hello Bryan,

Amanda here again, and I understand that you also had an issue with a song from "John Lennon". Again, I apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused.

I was unable to locate any purchase of "John Lennon", on your iTunes account.


I have issued a song credit to your iTunes Store account. You can use this to buy the individual song of your choice from the iTunes Store.

When you next sign in with this account, the song credit will appear by your account name (in the upper-right section of the iTunes Store). The next individual song you buy from the iTunes Store will use this song credit instead of your primary form of payment. Please note that song credits cannot be used for purchasing songs that are listed as "Album Only."

If you don't see your credit, refresh your account information by signing out and back in to the iTunes Store. You can find both "Sign Out" and "Sign In" within the pull-down "Store" menu. If you don't see this menu, you should need only download the latest version of iTunes from our website for free:

http://www.apple.com/itunes/download/

Thank you for choosing the iTunes Store. It has been a pleasure assisting you. If you have any further questions, please don't hesitate to reply to this email. Hope you have a great day.

Amanda
iTunes customer support

#####################

Amanda read my signature in my email and thought I had trouble downloading a John Lennon song... I don't know how that happened, but I'll take it. Note to self.... check to see who the email forward is actually going to...

Bryan
 
As long as they dont remove it from my iTunes or disable it, they are ok. It doesnt really require an update, because it works perfectly. If they disable it however, they owe me 10 dollars for selling something, then revoking it.
 
before you read this post, please read this first. i hate piracy. i buy all my own CD's, DVD's and software that are on my mac. i understand i may not be allowed to talk about this on here, so please report this if i am breaking the rules.

so, i'm just intrigued. someone said about the netshare app being on torrent sites, so i thought i'd have a quick look. a quick search found it, so i got myself a torrent downloader app and downloaded it. it was the netshare .ipa, which i dragged into the 'applications' section of itunes, and thats it, its in itunes. would this now happily go onto a iphone?

like i said, i hate piracy, so when i get my iphone and this would work i would contact nullriver straight away and give them their £5.99 i would have paid for the app.

but, i'm guessing its not that easy. maybe this is jut for jailbroken iphones?
 
I emailed Apple to get a refund of my $9.99 for NetShare and ended up with no only a refund but a song credit for the iTunes Music Store. The refund was expected... the song credit wasn't. Read how it happened.

#### Original Message To Apple ####
I purchased NetShare from the App store in good faith,
since Apple had approved this software to be sold in the App store,
and only allows certified applications from registered developers.
Come to find out Apple has been removing this item from the store
with no explanation. If this software is removed from the store, I
cannot get updates, thus this software isn't worth anything to me.

I request a full refund of this software, $9.99. In the future,
Apple should take more care in approving the software it allows to
be sold and avoid what happened here.

Bryan

#### Apple Response ####
Hello Bryan,

I understand that you would like a refund for the application
purchase of "NetShare". Please accept my sincere apologies for any
frustration caused. I appreciate your patience. My name is Amanda,
and I am more then happy to help.

I have reversed the charge for this purchase. Please note that all
iTunes Store sales are final, so this is an exception that I cannot
promise will be granted again.

In three to five business days, a credit of $9.99, should be posted
to the credit card that appears on the receipt for that purchase.

Thank you for choosing the iTunes Store. It has been a pleasure
assisting you. If you have any further questions, please don't
hesitate to reply to this email. Hope you have a great day.

Amanda
iTunes customer support

#### My E-mail to my father, but accidently forwarded it to Apple ####
#### He had issues with store credits, so I wanted to tell him about the NetShare problem ####
I had my own bone to pick with Apple about a purchase.... read below
and see my original email at bottom

Bryan
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" -- John Lennon <- My Signature

#### LOL. Apple gets the message above meant for my father ####
Hello Bryan,

Amanda here again, and I understand that you also had an issue with a song from "John Lennon". Again, I apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused.

I was unable to locate any purchase of "John Lennon", on your iTunes account.


I have issued a song credit to your iTunes Store account. You can use this to buy the individual song of your choice from the iTunes Store.

When you next sign in with this account, the song credit will appear by your account name (in the upper-right section of the iTunes Store). The next individual song you buy from the iTunes Store will use this song credit instead of your primary form of payment. Please note that song credits cannot be used for purchasing songs that are listed as "Album Only."

If you don't see your credit, refresh your account information by signing out and back in to the iTunes Store. You can find both "Sign Out" and "Sign In" within the pull-down "Store" menu. If you don't see this menu, you should need only download the latest version of iTunes from our website for free:

http://www.apple.com/itunes/download/

Thank you for choosing the iTunes Store. It has been a pleasure assisting you. If you have any further questions, please don't hesitate to reply to this email. Hope you have a great day.

Amanda
iTunes customer support

#####################

Amanda read my signature in my email and thought I had trouble downloading a John Lennon song... I don't know how that happened, but I'll take it. Note to self.... check to see who the email forward is actually going to...

Bryan

So you are getting a refund but are they also removing the app from your iTunes? How would they go about going into your iTunes remotely and removing the app from your HD/iPhone or did you get the refund because of the "update" BS and are still able to use the program?

Man, that's insane - a number of my programs haven't been updated and I, honestly, don't expect them to...
 
before you read this post, please read this first. i hate piracy. i buy all my own CD's, DVD's and software that are on my mac. i understand i may not be allowed to talk about this on here, so please report this if i am breaking the rules.

so, i'm just intrigued. someone said about the netshare app being on torrent sites, so i thought i'd have a quick look. a quick search found it, so i got myself a torrent downloader app and downloaded it. it was the netshare .ipa, which i dragged into the 'applications' section of itunes, and thats it, its in itunes. would this now happily go onto a iphone?

like i said, i hate piracy, so when i get my iphone and this would work i would contact nullriver straight away and give them their £5.99 i would have paid for the app.

but, i'm guessing its not that easy. maybe this is jut for jailbroken iphones?

It would be great if it was that easy. Actually you do need a jailbroken iPhone to load that torrented app on. You need SSH and then need to alter some permissions etc. There is a site detailing exactly how to do it. You can pm me for a link if you want.
 
How Good Is Steve Jobs Verbal Statements?

I purchased NetShare. Works great. BUT...........................
I believe I had a VERBAL CONTRACT with Steve Jobs himself. He told me that if I purchased an App through the App Store, I would have free updates that were released by the author. Well, what is going to happen when Nullriver has an update to their program and aren't allowed to post it? I have an email from Nullriver support stating that PC instructions were coming soon. Isn't this going to be a breach of Contract.
 
I purchased NetShare. Works great. BUT...........................
I believe I had a VERBAL CONTRACT with Steve Jobs himself. He told me that if I purchased an App through the App Store, I would have free updated that were released by the author. Well, what is going to happen when Nullriver has an update to their program and aren't allowed to post it? I have an email from Nullriver support stating that PC instructions were coming soon. Isn't this going to be a breach of Contract.

If only MS office for the iPhone had free updates for life.... :p
 
It would be great if it was that easy. Actually you do need a jailbroken iPhone to load that torrented app on. You need SSH and then need to alter some permissions etc. There is a site detailing exactly how to do it. You can pm me for a link if you want.

i really dont wanna jailbreak my iphone, so that may be a problem :rolleyes:

No cracked iPhone needed on the PC... look at some of the youtube videos detailing instructions for transferring it to your device without jailbreaking.

i'm intruiged. ;)
 
Hi,

I was one of the lucky ones to get it, this is the speed test from T-mobile Netherlands, I got it with 2 bars of quality, I dont know if it matters or not, Tmobile is said to offer 2mbit/384k flat.

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For me thought 1mbit is so enough for browsing...
 
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