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I wouldn't get your hopes up, iMac people. There's no mention of the Retina iMac in this article, and the chances of Apple updating the GPU in the non-Retina to something better than the AMD in the Retina seems very low.

Maybe with the new 27" we will see 4K and the same GPU that's in the Retina.

I am an audio production person, not a video editing/photography guy, so I don't care THAT much about the 5k screen, but was still considering the Retina iMac since its release because it was the most up-to-date machine. If this new 27" is cheaper, and just as good or better spec-wise, it will be most welcome for a guy like me.
 
Aah you got me - I thought it had taken the place of another product but it hasn't.

That said, my point about speed is still valid. The "new" 2015 MB is slower than the 2011 Air.


Macs just aren't getting much faster. I wonder when iPhone's will start overtaking desktops...

https://browser.primatelabs.com/mac-benchmarks
https://browser.primatelabs.com/ios-benchmarks

It's a combination of Intel complacency with the lack of competition from AMD, and Apple trying to reach a certain form factor. We've been going on 5-10% increases in performance for 4 years now, so any 'hit' to performance such as going to an even lower voltage or TDP like the Core M is going to send you back 5 years in performance. The only thing in the computer world that seems to be making any significant gains in performance is GPUs whether it be iGPU, APU, or discrete GPUs.
 
My 15" rMBP that was on back order for 7 weeks just shipped this morning and is slated to be here Friday. Here's hoping it's a new model!
 
My 15" rMBP that was on back order for 7 weeks just shipped this morning and is slated to be here Friday. Here's hoping it's a new model!

that is almost certainly NOT the case. They wouldn't ship out new ones to people prior to an announcement. they would just hold and ship after.
 
that is almost certainly NOT the case. They wouldn't ship out new ones to people prior to an announcement. they would just hold and ship after.

I ordered on April 23rd with a 3 week backorder. May 15th it was again pushed back to June 9th. You don't think it's a little suspicious it suddenly ships today and then this article comes out?

This wouldn't be the first time Apple has delayed shipments so new orders could get the new model. Let's be honest, if I get the old model, and a new one comes out Wednesday, I'm just going to return it.

Plus, delivery is after the supposed release. It's not like I'd be getting it ahead of time.
 
If they do announce something new this week, I wonder if we will see a continued shift to USB-C like in the new Macbook.
 
I can definitely sympathize with the image retention issue, but what are you doing that requires more than 8 GB RAM?

Development and photography...

The former involves running VM, servers and editors which can be memory hungry, not to mention running simultaneously Firefox, Chrome and Safari, each with dozens of tabs open.
The later involves processing RAW files, HDR files and stitching panoramas - and the last two can eat a lot of RAM.

I'm actually surprised at how well OSX handles RAM (since my desktop computer is a homemade tower, I just pushed the RAM to 24 GB since it's so cheap and Windows is happy). Most of the time, my Macbook runs fine. But I use up all 8GB and RAM pressure is usually in yellow - if I start a VM or two, things start to slow down...
 
Hurry! You have 14 days to return it!

HURRY, you have 14 days to REQUEST A RETURN and then another 14 days to get it in the mail, so at a minimum make the request. There is no requirement to actually return it if you don't want to.

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If they do announce something new this week, I wonder if we will see a continued shift to USB-C like in the new Macbook.

I don't think we're going to see a total shift to USB-C in the new MBP or rMBP...it might be added, but not a total all out replacement like on the new macbook
 
Just having a jab at the Macs that are being churned out lately haven't been significantly faster than their predecessor by any means, in some cases just a handful of Geekbench points - and that new Macbook we've seen with one port - yep, slower than the model it replaced.

The new MacBook didn't replace any product. The MBA and 13" MacBook Pro were updated along side it.

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No, but neither was the chips in the new Mac Mini and Mac Pro.

They updated the Mac Pro with slower chips? I'm not being sarcastic, I genuinely don't remember that. When did that happen?

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I bet the 21.5" iMacs get a redesign later in the year with a super-flat design (if they are remodeled at all) and M chips inside. They will become like tabletop MacBooks, possibly with a small price reduction, but no special improvements beyond that.

And why not? They have an "iMac Pro" and then mid-level iMacs. The low-end iMacs will get the slow down like everything else.

Eh, I suppose it's possible, but I really doubt that.

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I haven't even seen rumors of Skylake-H (the variant suitable for the 15" MacBook Pro) being released in 2015. I don't see any realistic possibility of a 15" Skylake MacBook Pro being released before February 2016, at the earliest.


No, it's too soon for an 8K iMac. Maybe this time next year. Maybe.

Apple will need significantly more powerful GPUs in their iMac if they hope to smoothly power an 8K display with Yosemite's translucently.
 
If it makes you feel better I'm still using my mid-2011. I just threw an SSD in it last week and it's doing just fine now.

Also running on a 2011. Did you go straight SSD? I want to go pure SSD if I bother to go through the work of opening the iMac, but I'm unsure if putting an SSD in the main drive bay would be compatible with the heat sensor so the Fans won't spin at max.
 
The only real question now is: will Apple go with AMD or Nvidia route?
I wouldn't count out the possibility of no discrete GPU at all.

I bet the 21.5" iMacs get a redesign later in the year with a super-flat design (if they are remodeled at all) and M chips inside. They will become like tabletop MacBooks, possibly with a small price reduction, but no special improvements beyond that.

And why not? They have an "iMac Pro" and then mid-level iMacs. The low-end iMacs will get the slow down like everything else.
I think you are on to something here. I have been wondering if the $1099 iMac with a 15 W CPU is a one-off or a sign of changes to come.

I expect any redesign of the iMac to only have Retina displays so I think that their CPUs will be more powerful than Core M for the graphics. I wouldn't be surprised to see two tiers of redesigned iMacs in the not-so-far future.
  • iMac 21.5" Retina: ~15 (maybe 28) W CPU, no discrete GPU, super-thin design
  • iMac 27" Retina: ≥ 65 W CPU, high-end discrete mobile GPU, a thinner design than the current 27" but not as drastic as the 21.5" Retina
 
I wonder what the point of releasing a Broadwell machine is then? Why wouldn't people just wait for Skylake? Unless it's not a sure thing it will be available this fall?

Because that would mean Apple allowing over 15 months to elapse without an update to the MBP. This they have never done (the longest up to now was 10 months in 2010 while waiting for Intel's Core ixx chips).

Broadwell is the newest Intel processor available at the moment, and there are people who need a new "pro" laptop today, regardless of what's coming out in the fall. Having your competitors release new products while you wait around for the next promised chip upgrade doesn't make good business sense.
 
I wonder what the point of releasing a Broadwell machine is then? Why wouldn't people just wait for Skylake? Unless it's not a sure thing it will be available this fall?

I always assume it has to do with supply from Intel. What was the point of "refreshing" the Macbook Air and giving a bump form 1.3 to 1.4GHz i5? I usually assume Intel made a modest improvement in the processors and told Apple, "these are 1.4's now".

But I'm just some dude with an opinion on a message board.
 
The best option for video

I Really love Macbook Pro Retina 15" This it´s the perfect tool for my job. Audiovisual and interactive producer.

As the 4k video resolution It´s growing, more and more power is required. So I think that the best option for audiovisual producers tha want to edit 4K, will be wait to the next year update.

I guess next year will be a complete all new design. with more Ram capacity more Graphic card power and a 4k screen. At least this is what I want, and what I feel it has to be done.

Please Apple do it for us the Audiovisual producers!
 
Call the Broadwell 15" MBP a running upgrade--not really worthy for official introduction unless needed for filler. Its a no brainer for Apple because it addresses those who have been holding out for the latest, while spiffing up its on paper presentation in order to maintain sales till the Skylake redesign comes online.

This opens up the *possibility* of a more substantial hardware intro at WWDC. :cool: I'm waiting for a 21.5 iMac retina, but not holding my breath either.
 
Why the obsession with SkyLake? I can understand for an iGPU only system, but if you have discrete, Broadwell should be good enough.
Am I missing something?

On top of the things mentioned in post 48 energy efficiency and Intel graphics performance are two things that seems quite a lot better in Skylake:

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redesigned Skylake MBPs are around the corner, don't waste your money on this incremental Broadwell upgrade

Broadway would only be "incremental" for people who bought Haswell. There are many who own MBPs from 2011 and even 2012 for whom Broadwell would be a significant upgrade because of the hardware changes (faster SSD, advanced Wi-fi, longer battery life, Force-touch trackpad, etc.)

And lets not forget, October's re-design (if true) would be the FIRST version of a brand-new model. Anyone with long familiarity with Apple products knows the perils of purchasing such. The first MBP (I bought one) fairly sucked: overheating issues, old and slow DVD drive, underpowered Core Duo processor). The first Retina MBP (I bought one) had image retention issues and underpowered HD4000 graphics. The same goes for the first iPad, iPhone, iPod touch -- the second versions of each were dramatically improved.

The smart move would be to buy the Broadwell MBP (on Wednesday?), then you can sell for a good price when Apple releases Skylake MBP version 2 (probably in June 2016).
 
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