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New 15-Inch MacBook Pro With Kaby Lake and 32GB of Desktop-Class RAM Coming Later This Year
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It's not desktop RAM, it's laptop RAM. DDR4 consumes about the same as LPDDR3 RAM in active mode. It's only in standby (lid closed) LPDDR3 has a big advantage. LPDDR was created for tablet and mobile phones. SO-DIMMS with DDR4 has nothing to do with "Desktop RAM", it's RAM for Laptops, just like my 2011 model has DDR3 SO-DIMM. No-one would have claimed that is "Desktop RAM" in 2011.
Glad I returned mine. I have an expectation for a brand new laptop to see me through the next 5 years, I also expect apple to improve the battery performance in the update. All round it's a good update to wait for if you can
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Not at all, I have 2005 through to 2011 assortment of macs that I still consider superior to what is offered in 2017
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Not at all, I have 2005 through to 2011 assortment of macs that I still consider superior to what is offered in 2017
You had me until the "non-pro software" bit. WTF do you want them to do, ship MBPs with Adobe Creative Suite? It would make zero sense for them to ship those computers with anything but the least common denominator software that works for all their Mac users. Plus, the less pre-installed software the better.
Hopefully they include more RAM and SSD as standard. We've have 8GB as standard for years, if Apple really wants to be courageous they should increase the base performance of all the machines and maybe drop the price a bit!! Would encourage lots of people on the fence about these new machines (like me) to buy one.
You can't release a product that has very little improvement in regards to performance, make it a little less functional and expect people to pay more money for it. How arrogant do you have to be...
You can't release a product that has very little improvement in regards to performance, make it a little less functional and expect people to pay more money for it. How arrogant do you have to be...
Some is the OS, some is all the persistent online services and daemons that we didn't have back then: Dropbox, Google Drive, several iCloud Drive processes, iCloud Photo Library w/sync, Google Chrome Helper, Google Updater, MS Updater, several Adobe CC processes, iStatMenus, Airplay, Siri, multiple mail accounts (in 2011 I had one, now I have 6 email accounts syncing), and more. Plus, the media we consume gets larger and requires more resources: music has higher bitrates, photos and movies and streaming video are higher resolution, web pages are much more complex, maps are higher resolution and have more data, screens are retina and require larger buffers, etc.
Sure, you can say all that stuff isn't part of the OS and you don't have to have it all enabled. But that's the reality now, most people use all that stuff (and others) and don't want to give it up. The point is, these things are only becoming more common, everything is becoming more complex, and all of it uses more RAM over time. So when buying a machine, you must consider that your RAM requirements years in the future will almost certainly be significantly more than you can imagine right now.
I want to reply to him, but I don't want to hear any more crying either, 2 reason:
You posted, what? first or second? That's what you get for being FIRST!
and second, I don't know why some guys on here even goto these forums/posts because if they read any of the "Waiting for SkyLake MacBook Pro" posts, there were PLENTY OF WARNINGS saying DON'T GET IT YET, unless you are an early adopter or just can't wait to get the 1st Gen. AGAIN... That''s what you get for being FIRST!
It's not rocket science anymore with what's going on in the Tech Industry, gees...
If your devices doesn't have a connector on the other end, like alot of devices which interface with something, you have 8 cables. The existing USB-A cable that is connected hard to the device + the USB-C to USB-A adapter.
4th quarter of 2017 will be a year after the 4th quarter 2016 release. Should Apple NOT refresh out of loyalty for people who bought last year's products? That's... insane.
I also think the vast majority of MacRumors users have no idea how much better this new RAM is than the old type. I've seen demos of MBPs with 16 GB of this new RAM running a half dozen pro apps at once, plus 10 other regular apps, without a hiccup. I'm sure there are use cases when more might be needed, but I'm guessing they are fairly rare.
Would like be to hear from pros who own the new machine, and how the RAM is working for them.
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer...m-cannon-lake-pcs-will-start-shipping-in-2017
CHIPMAKER Intel has confirmed that its 10nm 'Cannon Lake' architecture will show up in PCs before the end of the year.
CHIPMAKER Intel has confirmed that its 10nm 'Cannon Lake' architecture will show up in PCs before the end of the year.
Kaby lake cpus across the range support max of 32 or 64 GB of ram, apple would choose the appropriate ram in the update. I would expect them to use DDR4 instead of DDR3 this time round . I'm intrigued by your statement , could you please explain?
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Careful when you use the word pros, you will get replies from "pro" photographers to developers.....and their memory usage is so vast...you are comparing a bicycle to a mac truck. I'd be asking people who say they are pros and need more than 16Gb.
Wake up. Every tech company releases second gen products that have features they couldn't put in the first gen. That's how earth works.
, Kuo also mentions a "15-inch MacBook" that will include 32GB of RAM and enter mass production in the early fourth quarter, which starts in September. He said this model will be "the most significantly redesigned product this year," and he believes it will adopt desktop-class RAM to satisfy high-end users.
A 15" MacBook (affordable, not €2500+) would be really welcome for the "normal" user that just wants a bigger screen than 13".
Thanks! Didn't know that was a thing, do you think its still valid in Australia?You have 14 days to make up your mind
I don't get why people are upset. The macbook gets spec bumps every year. Why is this any different? Unless they are completely overhauling the design like they just did with the thinner form factor, or introducing something groundbreaking. But it sounds like upgraded RAM/processor stuff.
Easy - a processor with more PCIE lanes to allow for full speed across all four Thunderbolt ports.
Granted, this is completely and utterly up to Intel, but it's one obvious area of improvement. I'd love to see Apple offer a quad-core 13", but they won't. Sony have done it before.
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Yeah, it's a re-design so it counts as first-generation hardware. Last one was the 2012 rMBP, and that was expensive and issue-laden.
That's got to hurt if you're one of the fools that paid out for the latest MBP. You just paid well over the odds for a machine nobody will want in six months.
This kinda pisses me off... when you spend that much money to buy a mac and a little later the one you really wanted comes out... probably for the same price.
Apple will release updated Mac notebooks with Intel's next-generation Kaby Lake processors later this year, according to the latest research note from KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo.
Kuo said new 12-inch MacBook models with Kaby Lake processors will enter mass production in the early second quarter, which starts in March, and noted a 16GB of RAM option could be added--presumably as a high-end or built-to-order configuration. The two current 12-inch MacBook configurations include 8GB of RAM.
Likewise, Kuo said new 13-inch and 15-inch MacBook Pro models with Kaby Lake processors will start mass production in the early third quarter, which starts in July. The research note did not specify how much RAM these models will have, but 16GB could remain the limit due to the restrictions of current memory designs.
Interestingly, Kuo also mentions a "15-inch MacBook" that will include 32GB of RAM and enter mass production in the early fourth quarter, which starts in September. He said this model will be "the most significantly redesigned product this year," and he believes it will adopt desktop-class RAM to satisfy high-end users.
Given the high-end specifications, it is likely that this 15-inch MacBook would be part of the MacBook Pro lineup, but Kuo did not specify. Beyond faster processors and increased memory, Kuo said most other specifications and the design of all of the notebooks will be similar to equivalent models released in 2016.
Kuo believes the new Kaby Lake notebooks will be power efficient, which may positively affect shipments. He estimates that Mac notebook shipments will resume year-over-year growth at about 10% on the strength of the new models, while shipments will be quicker as production delays affecting 2016 models are resolved.
Kuo also expects Apple to discount the 13-inch MacBook Pro with a standard row of function keys this year as that model gradually replaces the 13-inch MacBook Air in Apple's notebook lineup.
While no release dates were mentioned, Kuo previously said he expects new MacBook Pro models with 32GB of RAM to launch in the second half of 2017.
Article Link: New 15-Inch MacBook Pro With Kaby Lake and 32GB of Desktop-Class RAM Coming Later This Year
I don´t get it why nobody addresses the main issue about the new lineup of the mac books, which is clearly the so called butterfly keyboard. I tried both versions of the keyboard and its completely useless. In fact i didn't notice any improvement between first and second generation. It still feels like typing on a desk, which is actually no feedback at all.
I'm definitely holding out for 32GB of RAM.
I do a lot of work in Virtual Machines, typically large Windows ones. Now you could argue yes I shouldn't be using a Mac for this, I could spin them up on a server at home or Azure or Amazon but I don't always have a decent internet connection when travelling and being able to work locally is hugely beneficial.
I could get a Windows laptop like an XPS15 or Thinkpad P50 and have 32 or even 64GB of RAM but then it wouldn't be a Mac any more. I'd go from being happy and smiley when using my computer to being punched in the face every day by a million little niggles and driver issues
People who say 16GB isn't enough simply don't have enough experience of the differing uses people have for Macs.
I do a lot of work in Virtual Machines, typically large Windows ones. Now you could argue yes I shouldn't be using a Mac for this, I could spin them up on a server at home or Azure or Amazon but I don't always have a decent internet connection when travelling and being able to work locally is hugely beneficial.
I could get a Windows laptop like an XPS15 or Thinkpad P50 and have 32 or even 64GB of RAM but then it wouldn't be a Mac any more. I'd go from being happy and smiley when using my computer to being punched in the face every day by a million little niggles and driver issues
People who say 16GB isn't enough simply don't have enough experience of the differing uses people have for Macs.